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Its called Kiss Flights, not Kiss Air.
The connection to Meridian Aviation UK Ltd and Viking Airlines is fully explained on the Kissflights web site in the "about us" section.
The connection to Meridian Aviation UK Ltd and Viking Airlines is fully explained on the Kissflights web site in the "about us" section.
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I think you may be missing the point that everyone is trying to make, and that is although Kiss have tried to explain the connections no-one actually believes any of it, and the cynics on here would believe that cetain people are pulling the strings from behind the scenes despite fierce denials.
But you make your own mind up
I think you may be missing the point that everyone is trying to make, and that is although Kiss have tried to explain the connections no-one actually believes any of it, and the cynics on here would believe that cetain people are pulling the strings from behind the scenes despite fierce denials.
But you make your own mind up
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Change the web template colour scheme from purple to blue and 'low and behold' we have a 'deadringer' for the old XL website even down to some of the wording that appears to have been copied enblock from the old site .
F**ckin Stinks........
F**ckin Stinks........
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As most people who have posted keep referring to Kiss Air, as the thread is titled, which is incorrect and as a web site exists in that name, it is misleading, a point had to be made.
If the name can be got wrong on the rumour network, what else is guess work and without substance?
I can see both sides here, having been there before.
As most people who have posted keep referring to Kiss Air, as the thread is titled, which is incorrect and as a web site exists in that name, it is misleading, a point had to be made.
If the name can be got wrong on the rumour network, what else is guess work and without substance?
I can see both sides here, having been there before.
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IB4138 - I think you are missing a very important point. This thread was started on 6 September about rumours of a new start-up. XL Airways was still flying and didn't actually stop flying until 12 September! Although the thread title was slightly off the mark, IMHO the fact that the initial rumour has now been proven to be so close to the mark (with a start-up from LGW and MAN with a lot of XXL people involved), I think the questions being asked about this scheme (or should I say scam) are 100% justified.
Charterguy - I can't wait.
Charterguy - I can't wait.
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There's one thing to be said.
If there wasn't a huge gap in the market that allowed new start-ups like this to initially succeed, then projects like Kiss Flights wouldn't gain any ground like XL / Freedom Flights etc before it. The people that repeatedly create these companies in our market clearly think that it's worth it, and before they go belly up personally make mucho dinero in the meantime.
Do you agree that the big two now have a complete stranglehold on the market again and this leads to the creation of niche businesses by the opportunists out there? If rock bottom prices were already in place then the likes of Kiss Flights would flounder from day one.
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There's one thing to be said.
If there wasn't a huge gap in the market that allowed new start-ups like this to initially succeed, then projects like Kiss Flights wouldn't gain any ground like XL / Freedom Flights etc before it. The people that repeatedly create these companies in our market clearly think that it's worth it, and before they go belly up personally make mucho dinero in the meantime.
Do you agree that the big two now have a complete stranglehold on the market again and this leads to the creation of niche businesses by the opportunists out there? If rock bottom prices were already in place then the likes of Kiss Flights would flounder from day one.
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Interesting to note that the domain lookup details of Kiss Flights for Agents . . .
Whois Record
Domain Name.......... kissflights.com
Creation Date........ 2007-02-27
Registration Date.... 2007-02-27
Expiry Date.......... 2018-02-27
Organisation Name.... KISS AIRWAYS LIMITED
Organisation Address. THE HOGARTH GROUP, 1A AIREDALE AVENUE
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. LONDON
Organisation Address. W4 2NW
Organisation Address. -
Organisation Address. GREAT BRITAIN (UK)
Admin Name........... CBS Registry
Admin Address........ Box 3396
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Stockholm
Admin Address........ SE-103 68
Admin Address........ -
Admin Address........ SWEDEN
Admin Email..........
Admin Phone.......... 46.855340200
Admin Fax............ 46.855340201
Tech Name............ CBS Registry
Tech Address......... Box 3396
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Stockholm
Tech Address......... SE-103 68
Tech Address......... -
Tech Address......... SWEDEN
Tech Email...........
Tech Phone........... 46.855340200
Tech Fax............. 46.855340201
Name Server.......... ns.domainnetwork.se
Name Server.......... ns2.domainnetwork.se
Whois Record
Domain Name.......... kissflights.com
Creation Date........ 2007-02-27
Registration Date.... 2007-02-27
Expiry Date.......... 2018-02-27
Organisation Name.... KISS AIRWAYS LIMITED
Organisation Address. THE HOGARTH GROUP, 1A AIREDALE AVENUE
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. LONDON
Organisation Address. W4 2NW
Organisation Address. -
Organisation Address. GREAT BRITAIN (UK)
Admin Name........... CBS Registry
Admin Address........ Box 3396
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Stockholm
Admin Address........ SE-103 68
Admin Address........ -
Admin Address........ SWEDEN
Admin Email..........
Admin Phone.......... 46.855340200
Admin Fax............ 46.855340201
Tech Name............ CBS Registry
Tech Address......... Box 3396
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Stockholm
Tech Address......... SE-103 68
Tech Address......... -
Tech Address......... SWEDEN
Tech Email...........
Tech Phone........... 46.855340200
Tech Fax............. 46.855340201
Name Server.......... ns.domainnetwork.se
Name Server.......... ns2.domainnetwork.se
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how can he sleep at night
I think it is terrible all the things that are now being disclosed about Mr Wyatt. I am one of the many who have lost a holiday due to XL, I paid on my debit card and have no chance of getting my cash back, I felt sorry for him at first but now after reading so many posts on here as a guest I am getting very mad, how do you get onto the kiss web site , it keeps coming up error when i try, i would like to see it for myself.
I realise from last post someone has been banned, so i will not go any further with my feeling regarding mr wyatt
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Kiss - quite hard to untangle so far.
We have a UK company based in LGW called Meridian Aviation (UK) Ltd, (listed now on the 7th Floor of Norfolk House) or Crawley Town Centre originally (but I think that’s a solicitor’s address off the High Street as I walked past that one).
The trading style of this company is called “Kiss Flights”, with a website at http://www.kissflights.com. Click on the Meridian Aviation link on the front page and you get this …..
Kiss Flights is a trading name of Meridian Aviation UK Ltd, a leading UK aviation broking firm who have been established for over 10 years.
www.meridian-aviation.co.uk
Then you look at the domain registry details of kissflights.com and find that their web site is hosted by a subsidiary of Sky, based in Brick Lane (but that’s just a hosting deal). However their website Admin contacts details listed are all based in Sweden with Swedish phone numbers.
This then links well with the fact that they are using Viking Airlines as a carrier, also a Swedish based company, or as some have stated there are even alleged closer links than that. The domain details, listed a few posts below, also show another link to a company in West London called “The Hogarth Group”, but also mentions a new name in the same detail list, "Kiss Airways Limited".
Do a search on Kiss Airways Limited, and one of the Google links takes you to the UK Intellectual Property Office, where there is an entry to register a Trade Mark under case number 2466440A. This was filed a year and a day before the XL Big Bang, on 11th September 2007.
This application lists goods and services offered as:
Airline services; operation of an airline; transportation of passengers by land, sea and air; aircraft seat broking; lease, hire and chartering of aircraft for passengers for leisure purposes; travel agency services; holiday tour operator services; arranging and organising of tours; car hire services; etc, etc, etc
Now what's a company into Leisure Centres (Squash Courts etc) got to do with Kiss Flights, Viking and Kiss Airways Limited leaves me at a loss for now.
Still searching though
See the trade mark application here . . . http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2466440A
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We have a UK company based in LGW called Meridian Aviation (UK) Ltd, (listed now on the 7th Floor of Norfolk House) or Crawley Town Centre originally (but I think that’s a solicitor’s address off the High Street as I walked past that one).
The trading style of this company is called “Kiss Flights”, with a website at http://www.kissflights.com. Click on the Meridian Aviation link on the front page and you get this …..
Kiss Flights is a trading name of Meridian Aviation UK Ltd, a leading UK aviation broking firm who have been established for over 10 years.
www.meridian-aviation.co.uk
Then you look at the domain registry details of kissflights.com and find that their web site is hosted by a subsidiary of Sky, based in Brick Lane (but that’s just a hosting deal). However their website Admin contacts details listed are all based in Sweden with Swedish phone numbers.
This then links well with the fact that they are using Viking Airlines as a carrier, also a Swedish based company, or as some have stated there are even alleged closer links than that. The domain details, listed a few posts below, also show another link to a company in West London called “The Hogarth Group”, but also mentions a new name in the same detail list, "Kiss Airways Limited".
Do a search on Kiss Airways Limited, and one of the Google links takes you to the UK Intellectual Property Office, where there is an entry to register a Trade Mark under case number 2466440A. This was filed a year and a day before the XL Big Bang, on 11th September 2007.
This application lists goods and services offered as:
Airline services; operation of an airline; transportation of passengers by land, sea and air; aircraft seat broking; lease, hire and chartering of aircraft for passengers for leisure purposes; travel agency services; holiday tour operator services; arranging and organising of tours; car hire services; etc, etc, etc
Now what's a company into Leisure Centres (Squash Courts etc) got to do with Kiss Flights, Viking and Kiss Airways Limited leaves me at a loss for now.
Still searching though
See the trade mark application here . . . http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2466440A
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XL / freedom flights Kiss Air
On reading some of your discussions I see that references are being made to Freedom Flights.
I would like to clarify that the "Freedom Flights" referred to were based in Crawley and were part of the XL Group who are now in administration. The original freedom flights established in 1987 in Newcastle upon Tyne are still trading as normal and that no staff from the original Freedom Flights are involved with this new Kiss Flights venture.
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I would like to clarify that the "Freedom Flights" referred to were based in Crawley and were part of the XL Group who are now in administration. The original freedom flights established in 1987 in Newcastle upon Tyne are still trading as normal and that no staff from the original Freedom Flights are involved with this new Kiss Flights venture.
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Does anyone know if these guys are actually on sale yet (obviously only agents sales possible via their current website and not public)?
I note that the CAA ATOL section (unless it has yet to be updated) shows them with zero numbers on their quoted ATOL number at present...so I assume that they're not yet selling?
I note that the CAA ATOL section (unless it has yet to be updated) shows them with zero numbers on their quoted ATOL number at present...so I assume that they're not yet selling?
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Well their booking system seems to suggest a very sparse 6-aircraft operation. I can only assume that it's either incomplete, or that some flights are being sold through other tour operators.
Mon LGW-CFU 0500 1010 VIK111 CFU-LGW 1110 1230 VIK112
Mon LGW-SSH 1355 2120 VIK113 SSH-LGW 2220 0155 VIK114
Mon LGW-DLM 1400 2010 VIK313 DLM-LGW 2110 2335 VIK314
Mon LGW-BJV 1735 2335 VIK315 BJV-LGW 0035 0245 VIK316
Tue LGW-CHQ 0500 1045 VIK325 CHQ-LGW 1145 1340 VIK326
Tue LGW-HER 0500 1055 VIK121 HER-LGW 1155 1400 VIK122
Tue LGW-TFS 0500 0915 VIK121 TFS-LGW 1005 1415 VIK122
Tue LGW-SSH 1515 2240 VIK123 SSH-LGW 2340 0315 VIK124
Wed LGW-RHO 0500 1055 VIK131 RHO-LGW 1145 1350 VIK132
Wed LGW-PFO 0700 1330 VIK333 PFO-LGW 1430 1715 VIK334
Thu LGW-ACE 0500 0905 VIK343 ACE-LGW 1005 1410 VIK344
Thu LGW-SSH 1430 2155 VIK143 SSH-LGW 2255 0230 VIK144
Fri LGW-HRG 1000 1730 VIK353 HRG-LGW 1830 2210 VIK354
Fri LGW-TFS 1300 1715 VIK900 TFS-LGW 1815 2230 VIK901
Fri LGW-DLM 1730 2340 VIK153 DLM-LGW 0040 0305 VIK154
Sat LGW-EFL 0500 1025 VIK363 EFL-LGW 1140 1305 VIK364
Sat LGW-KLX 0600 1135 VIK161 KLX-LGW 1235 1415 VIK162
Sat LGW-SSH 1430 2155 VIK365 SSH-LGW 2255 0230 VIK366
Sat LGW-KGS 1530 2125 VIK163 KGS-LGW 2225 0030 VIK164
Sun LGW-ZTH 0500 1025 VIK373 ZTH-LGW 1125 1255 VIK374
Sun LGW-SSH 1350 2115 VIK173 SSH-LGW 2215 0150 VIK174
Sun LGW-PFO 1400 2030 VIK375 PFO-LGW 2130 0015 VIK376
Mon MAN-CFU 0615 1140 VIK415 CFU-MAN 1240 1345 VIK416
Mon MAN-DLM 1500 2115 VIK417 DLM-MAN 2215 0050 VIK418
Tue MAN-TFS 0500 0930 VIK425 TFS-MAN 1030 1500 VIK426
Tue MAN-HER 0500 1100 VIK223 HER-MAN 1200 1415 VIK224
Tue MAN-SSH 1515 2240 VIK225 SSH-MAN 2340 0325 VIK226
Wed MAN-RHO 0500 1110 VIK435 RHO-MAN 1210 1430 VIK436
Wed MAN-KGS 0500 1110 VIK233 KGS-MAN 1210 1430 VIK234
Wed MAN-PFO 1600 2250 VIK235 PFO-MAN 2350 0255 VIK236
Thu MAN-ACE 0500 0910 VIK445 ACE-MAN 1110 1410 VIK446
Thu MAN-SSH 1100 1825 VIK243 SSH-MAN 1925 2310 VIK244
Fri MAN-JSI 0700 1240 VIK455 JSI-MAN 1330 1645 VIK456
Fri MAN-HRG 1100 1845 VIK253 HRG-MAN 1945 2345 VIK254
Fri MAN-TFS 1315 1730 VIK902 TFS-MAN 1830 2245 VIK903
Fri MAN-DLM 1800 0020 VIK457 DLM-MAN 0120 0400 VIK458
Sat MAN-EFL 0500 1040 VIK263 EFL-MAN 1140 1325 VIK264
Sat MAN-KLX 0600 1150 VIK465 KLX-MAN 1250 1450 VIK466
Sat MAN-SSH 1435 2200 VIK265 SSH-MAN 2300 0245 VIK266
Sat MAN-KGS 1600 2210 VIK467 KGS-MAN 2310 0130 VIK468
Sun MAN-ZTH 0500 1040 VIK273 ZTH-MAN 1140 1330 VIK274
Sun MAN-PFO 0800 1430 VIK475 PFO-MAN 1520 1815 VIK476
Having said that, take out the TFS flights (notice the Tuesday flight from Gatwick seems to have the same flight number as the HER flight...) and it works out at 5 aircraft, but is still rather thin on some days.
Mon LGW-CFU 0500 1010 VIK111 CFU-LGW 1110 1230 VIK112
Mon LGW-SSH 1355 2120 VIK113 SSH-LGW 2220 0155 VIK114
Mon LGW-DLM 1400 2010 VIK313 DLM-LGW 2110 2335 VIK314
Mon LGW-BJV 1735 2335 VIK315 BJV-LGW 0035 0245 VIK316
Tue LGW-CHQ 0500 1045 VIK325 CHQ-LGW 1145 1340 VIK326
Tue LGW-HER 0500 1055 VIK121 HER-LGW 1155 1400 VIK122
Tue LGW-TFS 0500 0915 VIK121 TFS-LGW 1005 1415 VIK122
Tue LGW-SSH 1515 2240 VIK123 SSH-LGW 2340 0315 VIK124
Wed LGW-RHO 0500 1055 VIK131 RHO-LGW 1145 1350 VIK132
Wed LGW-PFO 0700 1330 VIK333 PFO-LGW 1430 1715 VIK334
Thu LGW-ACE 0500 0905 VIK343 ACE-LGW 1005 1410 VIK344
Thu LGW-SSH 1430 2155 VIK143 SSH-LGW 2255 0230 VIK144
Fri LGW-HRG 1000 1730 VIK353 HRG-LGW 1830 2210 VIK354
Fri LGW-TFS 1300 1715 VIK900 TFS-LGW 1815 2230 VIK901
Fri LGW-DLM 1730 2340 VIK153 DLM-LGW 0040 0305 VIK154
Sat LGW-EFL 0500 1025 VIK363 EFL-LGW 1140 1305 VIK364
Sat LGW-KLX 0600 1135 VIK161 KLX-LGW 1235 1415 VIK162
Sat LGW-SSH 1430 2155 VIK365 SSH-LGW 2255 0230 VIK366
Sat LGW-KGS 1530 2125 VIK163 KGS-LGW 2225 0030 VIK164
Sun LGW-ZTH 0500 1025 VIK373 ZTH-LGW 1125 1255 VIK374
Sun LGW-SSH 1350 2115 VIK173 SSH-LGW 2215 0150 VIK174
Sun LGW-PFO 1400 2030 VIK375 PFO-LGW 2130 0015 VIK376
Mon MAN-CFU 0615 1140 VIK415 CFU-MAN 1240 1345 VIK416
Mon MAN-DLM 1500 2115 VIK417 DLM-MAN 2215 0050 VIK418
Tue MAN-TFS 0500 0930 VIK425 TFS-MAN 1030 1500 VIK426
Tue MAN-HER 0500 1100 VIK223 HER-MAN 1200 1415 VIK224
Tue MAN-SSH 1515 2240 VIK225 SSH-MAN 2340 0325 VIK226
Wed MAN-RHO 0500 1110 VIK435 RHO-MAN 1210 1430 VIK436
Wed MAN-KGS 0500 1110 VIK233 KGS-MAN 1210 1430 VIK234
Wed MAN-PFO 1600 2250 VIK235 PFO-MAN 2350 0255 VIK236
Thu MAN-ACE 0500 0910 VIK445 ACE-MAN 1110 1410 VIK446
Thu MAN-SSH 1100 1825 VIK243 SSH-MAN 1925 2310 VIK244
Fri MAN-JSI 0700 1240 VIK455 JSI-MAN 1330 1645 VIK456
Fri MAN-HRG 1100 1845 VIK253 HRG-MAN 1945 2345 VIK254
Fri MAN-TFS 1315 1730 VIK902 TFS-MAN 1830 2245 VIK903
Fri MAN-DLM 1800 0020 VIK457 DLM-MAN 0120 0400 VIK458
Sat MAN-EFL 0500 1040 VIK263 EFL-MAN 1140 1325 VIK264
Sat MAN-KLX 0600 1150 VIK465 KLX-MAN 1250 1450 VIK466
Sat MAN-SSH 1435 2200 VIK265 SSH-MAN 2300 0245 VIK266
Sat MAN-KGS 1600 2210 VIK467 KGS-MAN 2310 0130 VIK468
Sun MAN-ZTH 0500 1040 VIK273 ZTH-MAN 1140 1330 VIK274
Sun MAN-PFO 0800 1430 VIK475 PFO-MAN 1520 1815 VIK476
Having said that, take out the TFS flights (notice the Tuesday flight from Gatwick seems to have the same flight number as the HER flight...) and it works out at 5 aircraft, but is still rather thin on some days.
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KIss to acquire biz jet operator for AOC?
New carrier to fill XL void?
A proportion of the capacity lost with the collapse of XL Leisure Group and its 21-strong airline fleet is likely to be filled by next summer.
The prospect was raised during a Question Time session at the ABTA Travel Convention by Chris Photi, a senior partner at White Hart Associates which advises travel companies on regulatory, licensing and bonding issues.
“Someone will come and provide the capacity, some are already gearing up to do that,” he told delegates.
His comments came as speculation mounted at the convention that a new carrier called Kiss Flights was being established by unnamed backers to fill the vacuum left with the failure of XL and its in-house carrier XL Airways.
While major tour operators have welcomed the capacity reduction resulting from the XL failure, many smaller tour firms with programmes particularly to Greece and the Geek islands have been left without aircraft availability for next summer.
XL Airways provided a large proportion of third party flying for a range of specialist operators, many who are now in a precarious position due to the absence of adequate air lift.
Industry sources at the convention in Gran Canaria suggested that the founders of Kiss Flights were attempting to acquire a small executive jet outfit in order to use its Air Operators Certificate to deploy a number of leased Boeing 737s from the UK for summer 2009.
by Phil Davies
Source:travelmole.com
A proportion of the capacity lost with the collapse of XL Leisure Group and its 21-strong airline fleet is likely to be filled by next summer.
The prospect was raised during a Question Time session at the ABTA Travel Convention by Chris Photi, a senior partner at White Hart Associates which advises travel companies on regulatory, licensing and bonding issues.
“Someone will come and provide the capacity, some are already gearing up to do that,” he told delegates.
His comments came as speculation mounted at the convention that a new carrier called Kiss Flights was being established by unnamed backers to fill the vacuum left with the failure of XL and its in-house carrier XL Airways.
While major tour operators have welcomed the capacity reduction resulting from the XL failure, many smaller tour firms with programmes particularly to Greece and the Geek islands have been left without aircraft availability for next summer.
XL Airways provided a large proportion of third party flying for a range of specialist operators, many who are now in a precarious position due to the absence of adequate air lift.
Industry sources at the convention in Gran Canaria suggested that the founders of Kiss Flights were attempting to acquire a small executive jet outfit in order to use its Air Operators Certificate to deploy a number of leased Boeing 737s from the UK for summer 2009.
by Phil Davies
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Well I Wish I Had My Camera With Me Today
So off I go to MAN today from LGW on 27L on BA and what was standing down near Snowbase as we rotated but a parked up Viking Airlines MD83.
So my question is, if Kiss Flights capacity is talking of kicking off in 2009 what was a Viking plane doing sitting there in LGW costing a lot of money to park there already ??
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So my question is, if Kiss Flights capacity is talking of kicking off in 2009 what was a Viking plane doing sitting there in LGW costing a lot of money to park there already ??
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"Kiss Flights offers flights to the fashionable destinations made popular by switched on, fashion conscience and high tech travellers. Affordable, stylish and comfortable Kiss Flights is every jet setters wish."
The above is a cut/paste of pure cobblers is from the Kiss website meta data - the spelling mistake is all theirs.
The website now provides a registration form for Travel Agents so they can start booking with them. I wonder just how many of these forms get filled in. Personally, I wouldn't use one to wipe my ring.
The above is a cut/paste of pure cobblers is from the Kiss website meta data - the spelling mistake is all theirs.
The website now provides a registration form for Travel Agents so they can start booking with them. I wonder just how many of these forms get filled in. Personally, I wouldn't use one to wipe my ring.