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Tartin Ton -
Firstly, im no muppet as you put it (i have 12yrs experience within travel, 7 of which was in aviation so im not stupid in any sense) and secondly just shows how little you understand the needs of the market for agents.
Why should agents/customers have to pay sometimes the price of a complete package with the big two when all they want is the flight segment so they can enable the customer to have a choice of accommodation that they choose.
PW and gang looks as though they are going back to what they probably do best. After goldcrest/inspirations got swallowed up by the merger of Caledonian and Thomas Cook it wasm't long before Freedom came about which im sure had some input by the W brothers. Freedom flights did great when they were small and they were great up until the collapse of XL. It wouldn't be suprising to see that the Freedom part of the XL group actually did very well, it was all the other factors that come with an airline that has pulled them down and everything else with it.
I admit that the timing has come at the best of times especially so soon after, but when would of been a good time. These guys are moneymakers and quite often it will be in it for themselves but that is no different to any other businessman, its all about the money.
I do feel sorry fot all those customers standed and the staff who are now unemployed but i have been in the same situation twice before so i do know how it feels when the job you love is taken from you like that.
As i say, Kiss Air will be welcomed by trade, it is needed and no doubt will do very well. Really, all they are doing is selling seats to the trade, and not having to to run the day to day operation of an airline. If they weren't to do it then im sure someone would because it is NEEDED.
Firstly, im no muppet as you put it (i have 12yrs experience within travel, 7 of which was in aviation so im not stupid in any sense) and secondly just shows how little you understand the needs of the market for agents.
Why should agents/customers have to pay sometimes the price of a complete package with the big two when all they want is the flight segment so they can enable the customer to have a choice of accommodation that they choose.
PW and gang looks as though they are going back to what they probably do best. After goldcrest/inspirations got swallowed up by the merger of Caledonian and Thomas Cook it wasm't long before Freedom came about which im sure had some input by the W brothers. Freedom flights did great when they were small and they were great up until the collapse of XL. It wouldn't be suprising to see that the Freedom part of the XL group actually did very well, it was all the other factors that come with an airline that has pulled them down and everything else with it.
I admit that the timing has come at the best of times especially so soon after, but when would of been a good time. These guys are moneymakers and quite often it will be in it for themselves but that is no different to any other businessman, its all about the money.
I do feel sorry fot all those customers standed and the staff who are now unemployed but i have been in the same situation twice before so i do know how it feels when the job you love is taken from you like that.
As i say, Kiss Air will be welcomed by trade, it is needed and no doubt will do very well. Really, all they are doing is selling seats to the trade, and not having to to run the day to day operation of an airline. If they weren't to do it then im sure someone would because it is NEEDED.
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As i say, Kiss Air will be welcomed by trade, it is needed and no doubt will do very well. Really, all they are doing is selling seats to the trade, and not having to to run the day to day operation of an airline. If they weren't to do it then im sure someone would because it is NEEDED
they will be having to run the day to day operation of the airline, Viking is another puppet company that will do exactly what PW says. Ask any of the former ops controllers at XL who are signing on the dole this week about how many of their decisions were totally undermined again and again and again by vested interest or micro management.
An independent low-cost high quality charter outfit is needed, the trouble is, not run by someone who destroyed 1700 families lives last week.
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I have no intention of working for them but no doubt will use them for our clients like so many other agents will do.
Viking no doubt will jump to what they want them to do as its business for them but it is Viking who will do the day to day running. KissAir is purely a seller of seats to the trade, they are not an airline themselves.
Maybe he shouldn't be involved but there were or are alot of companys that all had some kind of input by the W brothers and i'm sure they will allways have their fingers in the pies for many years to come in aviation.
It is sad that so many good people have lost their jobs, been there myself and it is hard but when one company goes, quite often another appears and quite often with the same management behind it.
Viking no doubt will jump to what they want them to do as its business for them but it is Viking who will do the day to day running. KissAir is purely a seller of seats to the trade, they are not an airline themselves.
Maybe he shouldn't be involved but there were or are alot of companys that all had some kind of input by the W brothers and i'm sure they will allways have their fingers in the pies for many years to come in aviation.
It is sad that so many good people have lost their jobs, been there myself and it is hard but when one company goes, quite often another appears and quite often with the same management behind it.
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I would have imagined that the people at Kiss would have anticipated these outbursts and they will come as no shock to them, and i very much doubt any of this will do their cause any harm in the long run, something else they will be aware of.
You'll never ever beat or get the better of people like this, not that i'm suggesting we all roll over and die - But i expect these outbursts make everyone feel that little bit better.
Good luck to all the guys at XL, you deserved better....
I would have imagined that the people at Kiss would have anticipated these outbursts and they will come as no shock to them, and i very much doubt any of this will do their cause any harm in the long run, something else they will be aware of.
You'll never ever beat or get the better of people like this, not that i'm suggesting we all roll over and die - But i expect these outbursts make everyone feel that little bit better.
Good luck to all the guys at XL, you deserved better....
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Are you all talking about Kiss Air or Kiss Airways. Both are registered at Companies House and the address and directors listed, is the same for both. Muddy waters?
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I don't undertand what this company is
This is the airline version.
According to their website they plan to operate as follows:
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Whilst i am glad that there will another seat only operator for the trade i just hope that the aircraft behave themselves.
Looking at the schedule below, its making good use of the amount of hours in a day with little down time on some days. Some long sectors in there with the egypt flights.
I am wondering if they are likely to be having a 737-800 based in crete/athens at all that could come to the rescue should you get problems as quite often with the crew hours soo tight on egypt flights, an hour or two delay and your in trouble unless you have backup.
Good Luck to them, hope they will pull it all off.
Looking at the schedule below, its making good use of the amount of hours in a day with little down time on some days. Some long sectors in there with the egypt flights.
I am wondering if they are likely to be having a 737-800 based in crete/athens at all that could come to the rescue should you get problems as quite often with the crew hours soo tight on egypt flights, an hour or two delay and your in trouble unless you have backup.
Good Luck to them, hope they will pull it all off.
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'I am wondering if they are likely to be having a 737-800 based in crete/athens at all that could come to the rescue should you get problems as quite often with the crew hours soo tight on egypt flights, an hour or two delay and your in trouble unless you have backup.'
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You are joking right?
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PW will make this work on a shoe string. Crew salaries will be lower too. And I'm assuming the aircraft will be SX registered under Vikings AOC which no doubt means cheaper ops staff too.
Quite how PW is getting away with this I don't know. My opinion of him has changed somewhat since the days of working with him
Quite how PW is getting away with this I don't know. My opinion of him has changed somewhat since the days of working with him
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When I say "getting away with this" I mean, one minute he is the accountable manager for a company that has folded owing huge amounts of money, laying off thousands of employees etc and then the next minute is clearly involved in Kiss.
Almost hear it now in the back ground "Kiss my @rse"
Almost hear it now in the back ground "Kiss my @rse"
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hmmm...so PW has nothing to do with Kiss eh !! Well an ex-colleague of mine at LGW base has told me a certain Mr PW was driving around in a new Porsche recently....reg K155 XLA !!! that's b*lls for you !!!
