British Airways orders B777-300
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British Airways orders B777-300
We have just announced our order (long expected) for 6 B777-336ER aircraft - there is also an option for 4 more. Delivery starts in 2010 to cover 787 delays - and (i'm guessing) replace some 744's eventually.
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I suppose the mods will dump this, but I don't understand why 50% of posters insist on putting a 'B' in front of Boeing model numbers. It's not as if anyone is going to think a 777 is an Airbus.
You can't buy a B777 from Boeing. They'd be happy to sell you a 777, though.
You can't buy a B777 from Boeing. They'd be happy to sell you a 777, though.
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If dysag was a real spotter he would know that the aircraft is properly (at least under FPL terms) known as a B773.
Also, Boeing don't sell aeroplanes, they insist on selling airplanes; I rest my case. 
Back on thread, an interesting move by BA considering there current financial status. They either see the environment getting better or really need to move those B744s.
Also, Boeing don't sell aeroplanes, they insist on selling airplanes; I rest my case. Back on thread, an interesting move by BA considering there current financial status. They either see the environment getting better or really need to move those B744s.
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This order was a long time coming. BA could have waited and may yet still order A350-1000's, but that likelihood diminishes with this new 777-300ER order.
Under the A380, BA will phase out it 747-400's and focus on 787's, 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's - merging with IB will also likely see the Spanish carrier lose its A340's too.
Under the A380, BA will phase out it 747-400's and focus on 787's, 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's - merging with IB will also likely see the Spanish carrier lose its A340's too.
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That's a whole lot of capital needed to refleet a new fleet of A340-600s. Unless money is growing on trees down Madrid way, I suspect that will not be the first priority of the new company. Air France haven't quite flogged theirs yet and they are now quite into the B777.
Dysag - with a "B" or without, do get a life.
Dysag - with a "B" or without, do get a life.
[QUOTE]I suppose the mods will dump this, but I don't understand why 50% of posters insist on putting a 'B' in front of Boeing model numbers. It's not as if anyone is going to think a 777 is an Airbus[/QUOTE.
Dysag - is it the wrong time of the month ? If so kindly go sulk somewhere else, who cares ? They are Boeing 777's and Airbus 380's abbreviated since time immemorial to B707 and A320 etc.
Those of us in the know - know.
The meat of the info. is what we look for, not a degree in English Language proficiency - smart a.se
I guess you've won, you wound me up.
Dysag - is it the wrong time of the month ? If so kindly go sulk somewhere else, who cares ? They are Boeing 777's and Airbus 380's abbreviated since time immemorial to B707 and A320 etc.
Those of us in the know - know.
The meat of the info. is what we look for, not a degree in English Language proficiency - smart a.se
I guess you've won, you wound me up.
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This order was a long time coming. BA could have waited and may yet still order A350-1000's, but that likelihood diminishes with this new 777-300ER order.
Boeing saves face, retains the B787 order, adds a blue-chip carrier to the B773 portfolio, BA gets needed capacity quickly at a knock-down price, allowing accelerated retirement of less efficient B744s; everyone's a winner.
I can't see any reason why BA wouldn't go for A350-1000s when the time comes to issue the RFP for that part of the fleet. 6 B773s and 4 options in no way fulfills that requirement.
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This has got c*** all to do with the future aircraft order re 787's/350-1000's/or a revamped 777.
These aircraft are coming in to the fleet because of the delay to the 787 but with oil prices as high as they are now, they are not going to be used for growth but for 1 on 1 replacement for the 747's.
If oil comes down below a $100 again then we might well see these aircraft as growth.
Hence recruitment is being frozen aswell and there will be some internal shuffling going on..
Rest assured with profits down 88%, we are hurting, hence the need for a more fuel efficient aircraft pronto!
These aircraft are coming in to the fleet because of the delay to the 787 but with oil prices as high as they are now, they are not going to be used for growth but for 1 on 1 replacement for the 747's.
If oil comes down below a $100 again then we might well see these aircraft as growth.
Hence recruitment is being frozen aswell and there will be some internal shuffling going on..
Rest assured with profits down 88%, we are hurting, hence the need for a more fuel efficient aircraft pronto!
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Flightglobal confirms what I and Shaka Zulu have posted:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...77-300ers.html
"British Airways has ordered six Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, and placed options on another four of the type, as an interim measure to cope with delays to the Boeing 787 programme."
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AFAIK B777-300ER is a B77W (ICAO)
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It is not surprising that it has caused confusion. The ICAO website was last updated 09Apr08 and does not list this. Doc8643 - ICAO Aircraft Type Designators My interest in this is professional, as currently implementing a system which includes processing of flight plans. Interesting how many appear to have missleading aircraft types.
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BA may be happy with having the GE engines on the new 777s,but believe me,BAs engineers won't be!!.......Compared to the Rollers they are a "pile of pooh"
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The official blurb categorically states this is interim lift, which to me translates into non-cash compensation for the B787 delays in the way of heavily discounted B773s.
The point Im making based on the shareholder presentation (not sure if anyone has seen it with the results this morning) points to flexibility in its orders - for both replacement and growth of the existing fleet.
Talks on the 77W have been ongoing since last year.
....BA's presentation makes the case of the 77W's efficiency against the 747-400, not the 787 delay. (As opined, I have no doubt that the 787 delay has indeed impacted BA's decision to order the 77W).
Of course, the 787 delay/compensation has impacted this deal, but to suggest that BA will stick with 6 77W's and exercise just 4 more and not place a follow up up order is certainly not paying attention to BA's long term vision.
Part of that vision involves the 77W family, otherwise they wouldnt have ordered it. Period.
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A350-1000 isn't available until, when, 2015? Add in programme delays (not unreasonable) and BA's policy of not being on the 'bleeding edge', and you will not see an A350-1000 in the fleet until 2018/19 at the earliest...
The 77W purchase allows BA to (a) park 744s and (b) get cheap capacity due to 787 delays.
And come 2015, when there will be maybe 10 or more 77Ws in the fleet, BA can make an informed call on more 77Ws, A350-1000s, or 777NGs (whatever they make look like).
Today's purchase seems the only obvious call!
The 77W purchase allows BA to (a) park 744s and (b) get cheap capacity due to 787 delays.
And come 2015, when there will be maybe 10 or more 77Ws in the fleet, BA can make an informed call on more 77Ws, A350-1000s, or 777NGs (whatever they make look like).
Today's purchase seems the only obvious call!