UK Airline to have disappeared....07/08
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Leased by RT operated on Aurigny AOC now marketed by ACMI24. CDFF in service as ad-hoc charter ACMI cover. Plans for SSEA have included a change to freighter config long term plans to be put back into service once RT has the money to put all the christmass tree items back!!!!!
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I'm affraid we're just wasting time on here!
I mean, we only happen to be Pilots so how the hell would you and I know anything about the airline we fly for or the industry we work in!!!!
Surely you must realise that on a website that is supposed to be for Professional Pilots it is far more factual and informative to let those who only get near an aeroplane when they pick up Airliner World or base their sole information on reading other crappy and mis-informed opinions on PPRUNE.
At least we get the thrill of hearing when others belive we will be losing our jobs at Jet2. Maybe there are a few that have the Champagne ready to flow every time an airline goes bust????
I'm affraid we're just wasting time on here!
I mean, we only happen to be Pilots so how the hell would you and I know anything about the airline we fly for or the industry we work in!!!!
Surely you must realise that on a website that is supposed to be for Professional Pilots it is far more factual and informative to let those who only get near an aeroplane when they pick up Airliner World or base their sole information on reading other crappy and mis-informed opinions on PPRUNE.
At least we get the thrill of hearing when others belive we will be losing our jobs at Jet2. Maybe there are a few that have the Champagne ready to flow every time an airline goes bust????
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Well the writing the writing is on the wall Speedbrake.
More 757's arriving, New York for Christmas, more charter work, weak routes chopped, freight until 2010-11, fuel hedged for another 18 months, less contractors, virtually nil leasing costs etc etc doom and gloom blah blah blah.
More 757's arriving, New York for Christmas, more charter work, weak routes chopped, freight until 2010-11, fuel hedged for another 18 months, less contractors, virtually nil leasing costs etc etc doom and gloom blah blah blah.
Warning Toxic!
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Hasn't there been this peculiar incredible increase in the last few years of these people who appear to have wet dreams about airlines collapsing? Very strange- it appears to bring about orgasmic reactions of joy (?) when a business folds and staff are losing their jobs and investors losing their money, with eager discussions of who will be next?
Does anybody have an explanation for this extraordinary phenomena? It appears to be related to the trend I noticed, particularly apparent following the Kenyan B737 crash, when people were desperately coming up with all sorts of possible scenarios which had to be put in print whilst the wreckage was still smoking so that the glory of possibly being the first to say the right reason would be theirs!
Pprune seems to be full these days of desperate 'I told you so!' wannabees. I wish they would all STFU! Is it fair these days, when the business environment is so hostile, to start publicly pointing the finger at different companies as 'the next to go'? Reading Airliner World once a month is not enough to make a proper judgement!
Would I be saying unjustifiably that most employees of UK companies are getting pretty fed up with these anonymous (and ignorant) idiots discussing whether their company can pull through? It's a hard environment to survive in now, and it's going to get harder. I don't like these anonymous idiots using this as a way of very peculiar personal self-gratification. Unless there is positive information, can it please stop?
Does anybody have an explanation for this extraordinary phenomena? It appears to be related to the trend I noticed, particularly apparent following the Kenyan B737 crash, when people were desperately coming up with all sorts of possible scenarios which had to be put in print whilst the wreckage was still smoking so that the glory of possibly being the first to say the right reason would be theirs!
Pprune seems to be full these days of desperate 'I told you so!' wannabees. I wish they would all STFU! Is it fair these days, when the business environment is so hostile, to start publicly pointing the finger at different companies as 'the next to go'? Reading Airliner World once a month is not enough to make a proper judgement!
Would I be saying unjustifiably that most employees of UK companies are getting pretty fed up with these anonymous (and ignorant) idiots discussing whether their company can pull through? It's a hard environment to survive in now, and it's going to get harder. I don't like these anonymous idiots using this as a way of very peculiar personal self-gratification. Unless there is positive information, can it please stop?
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I could not agree with you more.
There has been a real trend on PPRUNE in recent years of people seeming to take incredible delight in airline failures. We've seen SilverJet being sent to the knacker's yard many times over its life, and do you know, I can TELL you - having been in that sort of position - that potential investors DO read this site, and DO take some notice of it when they are looking to place considerable sums of cash.
To anyone out there who has contributed to the "who's next to snuff it" trend - SHAME ON YOU.
I put this down to a very bad case of the green-eyed monster. The flying business is still the best place in the world to be (IMHO), and I can only assume that those who can't join it - or those who can't get beyond the very fringes - want to do damage to those who can.
Pack it in, people. You are damaging businesses, and the people they employ.
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I could not agree with you more.
There has been a real trend on PPRUNE in recent years of people seeming to take incredible delight in airline failures. We've seen SilverJet being sent to the knacker's yard many times over its life, and do you know, I can TELL you - having been in that sort of position - that potential investors DO read this site, and DO take some notice of it when they are looking to place considerable sums of cash.
To anyone out there who has contributed to the "who's next to snuff it" trend - SHAME ON YOU.
I put this down to a very bad case of the green-eyed monster. The flying business is still the best place in the world to be (IMHO), and I can only assume that those who can't join it - or those who can't get beyond the very fringes - want to do damage to those who can.
Pack it in, people. You are damaging businesses, and the people they employ.
TA
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There are two camps
- Those whose interest in airline business is such that debate of the various business models is stimulating and academically interesting
- Those who have some spotterish attitude to airlines, with some peculiar loyalty to one or the other
I think those in the latter category are very few. While discussions in the former category appear offensive to those working hard in those companies, it would be counterproductive to curtail what is a valid debate on whether companies persue the correct strategy or not. Some employees are over-sensitive and some posters are (wierdly) apocalyptical.
In what way would limiting discussion of the full incompetence of UKIA have changed the situation in any way, for example?
- Those whose interest in airline business is such that debate of the various business models is stimulating and academically interesting
- Those who have some spotterish attitude to airlines, with some peculiar loyalty to one or the other
I think those in the latter category are very few. While discussions in the former category appear offensive to those working hard in those companies, it would be counterproductive to curtail what is a valid debate on whether companies persue the correct strategy or not. Some employees are over-sensitive and some posters are (wierdly) apocalyptical.
In what way would limiting discussion of the full incompetence of UKIA have changed the situation in any way, for example?
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I think those in the latter category are legion in number. Just do a search on the threads which have a similar topic to this one.
The real question re UKIA is - did any of the prattlings on here actually help UKIA? If the answer is no, why do it? I go along - still - with Rainboe's assessment.
People don't have a right to discuss just anything - and just think, for a fraction of second, how it must feel to be an employee of one of the businesses being mutilated on here by the wannabees, and seeing the company that pays your mortgage, and pays for your kids being trashed. Nice. Not.
Probably worth remembering as well that if a business suffers material damage as a result of posting(s) on here (or indeed any other forum), not only the forum, but the author, can be found liable for loss. I've done this, so don't even bother arguing about the legal aspects.
Think about that.
TA
The real question re UKIA is - did any of the prattlings on here actually help UKIA? If the answer is no, why do it? I go along - still - with Rainboe's assessment.
People don't have a right to discuss just anything - and just think, for a fraction of second, how it must feel to be an employee of one of the businesses being mutilated on here by the wannabees, and seeing the company that pays your mortgage, and pays for your kids being trashed. Nice. Not.
Probably worth remembering as well that if a business suffers material damage as a result of posting(s) on here (or indeed any other forum), not only the forum, but the author, can be found liable for loss. I've done this, so don't even bother arguing about the legal aspects.
Think about that.
TA
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Air Wales
Both CDFF and SSEA ackording to G-INFO are still leased. CDFF is listed as being operated by Aurigny and SSEA still to Air Wales. Also please do not forget that Air Wales did not fail it did not go into liquidation or administration. The owner RT finally decided after losing XX millions to close the airline down. I believe that all of Air Wales debts have been paid off.
Long live the Dragon
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Tonker
More 75's? Please
us back room non pilot chaps are busy enough. Any more and we'll have to start working.
Speedbrakes
The great unwashed survive on doom and gloom. It's also the old one of "your successful so lets knock you down"
Blame the journo's. There's no news like bad news. Disasters sell papers! and the 24hour tv news can wring their hand, navel gaze and talk utter drivel
plastic
More 75's? Please
us back room non pilot chaps are busy enough. Any more and we'll have to start working.Speedbrakes
The great unwashed survive on doom and gloom. It's also the old one of "your successful so lets knock you down"
Blame the journo's. There's no news like bad news. Disasters sell papers! and the 24hour tv news can wring their hand, navel gaze and talk utter drivel
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Having let this thread run a bit to see where it would go, it is obvious that the issues worth discussing in it are already being discussed, or have been discussed, in the appropriate airline threads. The other 'issues' within it are pointless speculation and fantasy which are helpful to none.
Cheers,
The AA&R mods
Cheers,
The AA&R mods
