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The French Govt's white paper on defense has been published, proposing cutbacks in manpower and restructuring of the military services. Although the detailed proposals are only to be announced on 3rd July, Nimes-Garons is said to be under particular threat, according to articles in the French media. Nimes currently hosts a naval air base (maritime patrol etc) which provides ATC and fire cover and contributes significantly to the upkeep of the infrastructure (eg paying 50-60% of the cost of the runway resurfacing carried out late last year). The only scheduled civil services are provided by Ryanair (CRL/EMA/LPL/LTN) and hence there are typically only 3 flights/day. The other main resident on site is a Sabena Technics maintenance facility.
The rumours are that the military are likely to be moved elsewhere (Orange?) and although it is possible that army units may move in to replace them, it is said that they will have no use for the runway.
The politics seem to be going against the base: apparently, although the council in Nimes is campaigning for the retention of the base, the mayor of the village of Garons has been campaigning against the main proposal that would have saved the base - the siting of a fighter base there - because the Rafales would be "so much more noisy" than the Atlantiques/Nord 262s/Xingus/Dassault Falcons that currently lurk there. So if the Aeronavale goes, there's no ATC and no fire cover (It's a bit more complicated than that but this is the essence).
The civil side has been supported by subventions from the Region and locality in the past, and there are some in the area who do not like to see their money support RYR. Other operators have apparently been offered similar deals, but all the proposed services have come to nought, the last being scheduled flights proposed by Euromer using an ACMI aircraft, where the deal fell apart at the last minute. There is also competition from other airports in the area (eg MRS/MPL/Beziers/CCF/Perpignan), some of which have more political backing than Nimes seems to be able to muster at present.
Hence it looks like the military will depart, which will leave the local chamber of commerce and Veolia (who run the civil side) to find some way of covering the additional costs of providing the services necessary to keep the place open. Unless they get a lot more traffic going in, it would seem uneconomic to keep it open. It has been reported that Sabena Technics has been looking at options for moving its activities elsewhere.
The rumours are that the military are likely to be moved elsewhere (Orange?) and although it is possible that army units may move in to replace them, it is said that they will have no use for the runway.
The politics seem to be going against the base: apparently, although the council in Nimes is campaigning for the retention of the base, the mayor of the village of Garons has been campaigning against the main proposal that would have saved the base - the siting of a fighter base there - because the Rafales would be "so much more noisy" than the Atlantiques/Nord 262s/Xingus/Dassault Falcons that currently lurk there. So if the Aeronavale goes, there's no ATC and no fire cover (It's a bit more complicated than that but this is the essence).
The civil side has been supported by subventions from the Region and locality in the past, and there are some in the area who do not like to see their money support RYR. Other operators have apparently been offered similar deals, but all the proposed services have come to nought, the last being scheduled flights proposed by Euromer using an ACMI aircraft, where the deal fell apart at the last minute. There is also competition from other airports in the area (eg MRS/MPL/Beziers/CCF/Perpignan), some of which have more political backing than Nimes seems to be able to muster at present.
Hence it looks like the military will depart, which will leave the local chamber of commerce and Veolia (who run the civil side) to find some way of covering the additional costs of providing the services necessary to keep the place open. Unless they get a lot more traffic going in, it would seem uneconomic to keep it open. It has been reported that Sabena Technics has been looking at options for moving its activities elsewhere.
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A bit of a shame but no real surprise....Similar thing to BZR which, I believe, also closed to commercial traffic after losing its ORY service some years ago....
Suppose there aren't too many commercial movements there these days...Perhaps the odd early and late AF and almost certainly RY 'cos it's the sort of airport / city that RY specialise in....
Used FNI quite frequently until about 10 years ago, but even then MRS and MPL were far better equiped for our Ops - just much more expensive I believe....And Montpellier is a much more dynamic and thriving city and still only about 60 kms away....
C'est la vie....
Suppose there aren't too many commercial movements there these days...Perhaps the odd early and late AF and almost certainly RY 'cos it's the sort of airport / city that RY specialise in....
Used FNI quite frequently until about 10 years ago, but even then MRS and MPL were far better equiped for our Ops - just much more expensive I believe....And Montpellier is a much more dynamic and thriving city and still only about 60 kms away....
C'est la vie....
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NIMES
Nimes lost its AF flights a good while back - I'm told that when the TGV line gave Nimes a fast rail link with Paris, the Govt or region stopped the subventions that had supported the AF/Air Inter links with Paris, and without the subsidy AF thought the route uneconomic. The only services now are the RYR ones, hence 3 flights per day at most. AF still do some training there from time to time - there are sometimes AF A320 family aircraft doing circuits; ususally timed to perfection to get in the way of incoming/outgoing RYR aircraft, or so it seems ...
re BZR: RYR has just started services into there - brought it back from the dead.
re BZR: RYR has just started services into there - brought it back from the dead.
Last edited by papabravowhiskey; 19th Jun 2008 at 19:11. Reason: BZR info
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Nimes-Garons saved?
According to local papers, the French Govt has confirmed to the mayor of Nimes that although much of the existing military (naval/marine air service) activity at Nimes-Garons will be transferred out, the military will still maintain the ATC services, runway infrastructure etc, and will transfer in some sort of training regiment.
