It's the end for Shannon
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It's the end for Shannon
Just like Prestwick, Shannon is now facing the fact that technology and economics leave it in a rural backwater from whence it came. Aer Lingus have pulled the plug. Just cargo from now on I guess.
Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/7185833.stm
Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/7185833.stm
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Just like Prestwick ??? !!! The Prestwick that has never been busier with passengers, the largest dedicated B747F / Antonov freight / transit operation in the UK, and around 4000 aviation jobs within a mile ?
If any comparison with Prestwick is to be made, it would suggest that Shannon will grow out of the loss of Aer Lingus.
If any comparison with Prestwick is to be made, it would suggest that Shannon will grow out of the loss of Aer Lingus.
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Aer Lingus HAVE NOT pulled out. The long haul A330 services are still routing through and one aircraft based at Dublin. Although for how long remains to be seen.
The Prestwick analogy is a ctually a good one as they are very similar airports in many ways. Wartime airfields that time caught up on, where the national carrier left, reliant on transit traffic, have loads of interesting movements and Ryanair has them both by the balls.
Shannon still has Delta, US Airways and Continental in addition to the Ryanair base so it's complete rubbish to say "just cargo from now on".
Interesting times and good luck to all.
The Prestwick analogy is a ctually a good one as they are very similar airports in many ways. Wartime airfields that time caught up on, where the national carrier left, reliant on transit traffic, have loads of interesting movements and Ryanair has them both by the balls.
Shannon still has Delta, US Airways and Continental in addition to the Ryanair base so it's complete rubbish to say "just cargo from now on".
Interesting times and good luck to all.
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Belfast International and not Shannon is the 2nd busiest airporrt in Ireland.
However I agree that Shannon is far from finished though you'd wander what'll happen if McCain or Obama make good their promise to pull the troops out of Iraq.
As far as the North Atlantic is concerned it looks as if Open Skies is only having a minimal impact but it's early days yet. The fact that Cork hasn't got itself a JFK or BOS service must be helping them.
However I agree that Shannon is far from finished though you'd wander what'll happen if McCain or Obama make good their promise to pull the troops out of Iraq.
As far as the North Atlantic is concerned it looks as if Open Skies is only having a minimal impact but it's early days yet. The fact that Cork hasn't got itself a JFK or BOS service must be helping them.
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how little you know about SNN ye olde pilot..
interesting article in todays Business Post
Aer Lingus sells just one third of Belfast seats
13 January 2008 By Nicola Cooke
Aer Lingus has sold an average of just one third of its seats on the controversial new Belfast to London Heathrow route for the first month of its operation. The service begins tomorrow, as the Shannon-Heathrow route ends.
A total of 32,364 seats are available on the return route for the first month, with three 174-seat aircraft flying three return trips daily. With an average load factor of just 35 per cent, it means only 11,327 of these flights have been sold to date - despite being available online since early August last.
Many Aer Lingus return flights from Heathrow to Belfast Aldergrove for the first month of service cost stg£1, and £1 fares can also be secured from Belfast to Heathrow for this period. These fares and a 35 per cent load factor compare with an average load factor of almost 80 per cent - and €80 one-way flights - on the axed Shannon-Heathrow route.
The Belfast Aldergrove to Heathrow route is competing with a Ryanair Belfast city airport to Stansted service, a Cityjet Belfast city to London city airport route and a BMI Belfast city to London Heathrow service.
Passenger figures on Aer Lingus flights from Belfast to Amsterdam - which started on December 10 - are also reported to be poor. The majority of return flights from Amsterdam currently cost just £2.
Aer Lingus’s corporate affairs director, Enda Corneille, said the company was ‘‘delighted’’ with bookings on the Belfast-Heathrow route, and that people booked ‘‘very late’’ on this route and the Amsterdam route.
An Aer Lingus spokesman previously told The Sunday Business Post that passengers travelling to Heathrow usually booked ‘‘two to three weeks in advance’’.
‘‘All these flights do not cost £1 or £2 - as they are booked, they increase in price - but we are a low fares airline and offer low prices on almost every flight in the system,” Corneille said.
‘‘We don’t comment on load factors for individual routes. Flights [from Belfast] after Easter to Faro, Malaga, Barcelona and Budapest are booking very well, and in most cases, quicker than from our bases in the Republic.
‘‘We plan to sell half a million seats in our first full year of operation from Belfast, from the 700,000 available,” he said.
An industry source said an average load factor of 35 per cent would have to double for the Heathrow service to be commercially viable.
interesting article in todays Business Post
Aer Lingus sells just one third of Belfast seats
13 January 2008 By Nicola Cooke
Aer Lingus has sold an average of just one third of its seats on the controversial new Belfast to London Heathrow route for the first month of its operation. The service begins tomorrow, as the Shannon-Heathrow route ends.
A total of 32,364 seats are available on the return route for the first month, with three 174-seat aircraft flying three return trips daily. With an average load factor of just 35 per cent, it means only 11,327 of these flights have been sold to date - despite being available online since early August last.
Many Aer Lingus return flights from Heathrow to Belfast Aldergrove for the first month of service cost stg£1, and £1 fares can also be secured from Belfast to Heathrow for this period. These fares and a 35 per cent load factor compare with an average load factor of almost 80 per cent - and €80 one-way flights - on the axed Shannon-Heathrow route.
The Belfast Aldergrove to Heathrow route is competing with a Ryanair Belfast city airport to Stansted service, a Cityjet Belfast city to London city airport route and a BMI Belfast city to London Heathrow service.
Passenger figures on Aer Lingus flights from Belfast to Amsterdam - which started on December 10 - are also reported to be poor. The majority of return flights from Amsterdam currently cost just £2.
Aer Lingus’s corporate affairs director, Enda Corneille, said the company was ‘‘delighted’’ with bookings on the Belfast-Heathrow route, and that people booked ‘‘very late’’ on this route and the Amsterdam route.
An Aer Lingus spokesman previously told The Sunday Business Post that passengers travelling to Heathrow usually booked ‘‘two to three weeks in advance’’.
‘‘All these flights do not cost £1 or £2 - as they are booked, they increase in price - but we are a low fares airline and offer low prices on almost every flight in the system,” Corneille said.
‘‘We don’t comment on load factors for individual routes. Flights [from Belfast] after Easter to Faro, Malaga, Barcelona and Budapest are booking very well, and in most cases, quicker than from our bases in the Republic.
‘‘We plan to sell half a million seats in our first full year of operation from Belfast, from the 700,000 available,” he said.
An industry source said an average load factor of 35 per cent would have to double for the Heathrow service to be commercially viable.
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Belfast is in Northern Ireland and part of Great Britain (or have we given it back while I have been asleep) therefore Belfast is not in the Ireland airport size tables
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Er, i think you will find there one and the same beamwidth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain ,perhaps you also dozed of for a while
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain ,perhaps you also dozed of for a while
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but wikidpedia is about as accurate as my shot, (that's to say not very,) as it is edited by the public.
Indeed the other chap is quite right. The name "Great Britain" has not referred to N Ireland since the good friday agreement.
Hence "Elizabeth II, of the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland, Queen" and the fact that this is what it says on your passport.
However now I am just splitting hairs.
Indeed the other chap is quite right. The name "Great Britain" has not referred to N Ireland since the good friday agreement.
Hence "Elizabeth II, of the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland, Queen" and the fact that this is what it says on your passport.
However now I am just splitting hairs.
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What the hell has the good friday agreement got to do with anything? as far as i know it didnt create a united ireland did it? therefore Britain still comprises of England Scotland Wales and NI ,as does the UK
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YOP - post your mouldy old "news" here:
Shannon: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=200353
Aer Lingus: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=290291
Belfast: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=281462
Shannon: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=200353
Aer Lingus: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=290291
Belfast: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=281462
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Great Britain is the union of Scotland with England and Wales.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and remains so today. Britain is shorthand for the UK but all legal documents and Government terms always use the term UK as that is the nation state.
Within the nation state are the four home nations of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Legally, we are and remain, the United Kingdon of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. Should the North vote to join the Republic that will change, but not until then.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and remains so today. Britain is shorthand for the UK but all legal documents and Government terms always use the term UK as that is the nation state.
Within the nation state are the four home nations of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Legally, we are and remain, the United Kingdon of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. Should the North vote to join the Republic that will change, but not until then.
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typical
how ususal that a topic involving a part of Northern Ireland should turn into a political debate 
and for the record, UK refers to all the member states (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). Great Britain refers only to England, Scotland and Wales, so Northern Ireland is part of the UK but not Great Britain (or the 'mainland'), however these terms are often used interchangably, thats why some people are confused
and for the record, UK refers to all the member states (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). Great Britain refers only to England, Scotland and Wales, so Northern Ireland is part of the UK but not Great Britain (or the 'mainland'), however these terms are often used interchangably, thats why some people are confused
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Great Britain - England, Scotland, Wales
United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
British Isles - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and about 5000 islands including the Isle of Wight, The Channel Islands, the Scilly Isles, Orkney, Shetland, the inner and outer Hebrides plus many other offshore islands
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch...itishisles.htm
United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
British Isles - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and about 5000 islands including the Isle of Wight, The Channel Islands, the Scilly Isles, Orkney, Shetland, the inner and outer Hebrides plus many other offshore islands
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch...itishisles.htm