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Dear Pprune Towers,
By innuendo and misinformation, you have allowed this forum to directly allege
criminal wrongdoing and have taken no action to stop this.
Instead, you have tacitly and directly reaffirmed such defamation.
In doing this you suggest you are protecting the public interest.
I think you grind your own axe.
If you believe wrongdoing has been done, get in touch with the FSA.
What could be fairer or more definitive than that?
If what you say is true, then that really will be the end of the matter.
But will you come back and apologise?
Will you undo the damage being done here?
Somehow, I don't think so.
By innuendo and misinformation, you have allowed this forum to directly allege
criminal wrongdoing and have taken no action to stop this.
Instead, you have tacitly and directly reaffirmed such defamation.
In doing this you suggest you are protecting the public interest.
I think you grind your own axe.
If you believe wrongdoing has been done, get in touch with the FSA.
What could be fairer or more definitive than that?
If what you say is true, then that really will be the end of the matter.
But will you come back and apologise?
Will you undo the damage being done here?
Somehow, I don't think so.
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Yak97
Not that it really matters, but...
isnt the shot on Air Sylhet site a -300 ?
Posters have pressumed it's a -200 linked somehow to BHX, but I beg to differ.
If you have nowt better to do count the windows !!!
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0831005/M/
Apologies in advanvce if I'm wrong
isnt the shot on Air Sylhet site a -300 ?
Posters have pressumed it's a -200 linked somehow to BHX, but I beg to differ.
If you have nowt better to do count the windows !!!
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0831005/M/
Apologies in advanvce if I'm wrong
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EGGC,
Its a B767-300ER, 8 years old.
No link to Birmingham for Yak's information.
Picture is of the actual aircraft interior, currently being
prepared and painted etc.
Video is also of the actual aircraft, and can be downloaded from the Air Sylhet website.
I'm off to my allotment, where the vegetables
have more interesting things to say than some of
the malicious courgettes in this forum....
At least I can have the pleasure of breaking up a few clods.
Better than kicking the cat, anyway.
Its a B767-300ER, 8 years old.
No link to Birmingham for Yak's information.
Picture is of the actual aircraft interior, currently being
prepared and painted etc.
Video is also of the actual aircraft, and can be downloaded from the Air Sylhet website.
I'm off to my allotment, where the vegetables
have more interesting things to say than some of
the malicious courgettes in this forum....
At least I can have the pleasure of breaking up a few clods.
Better than kicking the cat, anyway.
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Surely simple enough and very basic questions BlackSword?
I find the subject of innuendo and suggestion interesting. With a booking engine on view and even a telephone number for baggage claims why are you unwilling to provide the answers to my questions? It's great to see such a service oriented approach but I'm puzzled by this apparent dichotomy in providing information.
As you are seeking investment in the English language for a UK PLC the approvals must be in place and merely a matter of record. I'm sure it is entirely down to me and I'd be very grateful if you could simply point me to where they are on view.
I find the subject of innuendo and suggestion interesting. With a booking engine on view and even a telephone number for baggage claims why are you unwilling to provide the answers to my questions? It's great to see such a service oriented approach but I'm puzzled by this apparent dichotomy in providing information.
As you are seeking investment in the English language for a UK PLC the approvals must be in place and merely a matter of record. I'm sure it is entirely down to me and I'd be very grateful if you could simply point me to where they are on view.
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Fairplay?
Pprune flowers,
I do not dance to your tune.
My answer is as definitive as it is possible to be.
Check with the FSA and find out how baseless your claims are.
I suspect your motives (why do you endorse claims of criminal activity?)
Check with the FSA and be done with it.
Simple enough for you?
Now I'm off to shovel some horse manure - want some?
I do not dance to your tune.
My answer is as definitive as it is possible to be.
Check with the FSA and find out how baseless your claims are.
I suspect your motives (why do you endorse claims of criminal activity?)
Check with the FSA and be done with it.
Simple enough for you?
Now I'm off to shovel some horse manure - want some?
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"Hmm... clapped out B767-200 sitting around at UK airport before, supposedly, operating to the Indian Sub-continent. Ring any bells today??"
Think Yak97 was referring to UK International up the road at East Midlands rather than any BHX related operations.
"Hmm... clapped out B767-200 sitting around at UK airport before, supposedly, operating to the Indian Sub-continent. Ring any bells today??"
Think Yak97 was referring to UK International up the road at East Midlands rather than any BHX related operations.
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Ordure! Ordure!
Contact the FSA?
A fascinating and frankly outstanding move forward in outsourcing BlackSword.
As you've proven your team are able to update the website with such alacrity in the exciting and fast moving world of aviation can I ask a favour?
Would your webmaster place the contact details for the FSA on the website so those interested can check for themselves? Alas, the baggage claim phone number has, so far anyway, been of little help.
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Contact the FSA?
A fascinating and frankly outstanding move forward in outsourcing BlackSword.
As you've proven your team are able to update the website with such alacrity in the exciting and fast moving world of aviation can I ask a favour?
Would your webmaster place the contact details for the FSA on the website so those interested can check for themselves? Alas, the baggage claim phone number has, so far anyway, been of little help.
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Funny funny
Pprune Towers,
Very funny - but hardly the independent role of a Pprune moderator.
Is it so difficult for you to get in touch with the FSA?
A few posts ago you claimed to have intimate knowledge of the Financial Services Act
and was happy to accuse a startup airline of criminal behaviour.
Despite the fact that neither you nor anyone else has produced the slightest bit of evidence.
You are simply abusing your position as a Pprune moderator.
I won't try to second guess your motives.
What is your problem with following through with the FSA?
No brown pants?
Very funny - but hardly the independent role of a Pprune moderator.
Is it so difficult for you to get in touch with the FSA?
A few posts ago you claimed to have intimate knowledge of the Financial Services Act
and was happy to accuse a startup airline of criminal behaviour.
Despite the fact that neither you nor anyone else has produced the slightest bit of evidence.
You are simply abusing your position as a Pprune moderator.
I won't try to second guess your motives.
What is your problem with following through with the FSA?
No brown pants?
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Simple, direct questions at a fundamental level from me BS
It's up to each reader to analyse your responses thoughout this discussion and derive their own opinions. 2,500 views now - there must have been a significant blip on your counters as people seek their own answers to my questions. I'd suspect the same goes for those seeing if there is more information if they register and sign up in the investment section.
So, all to the good then
It's up to each reader to analyse your responses thoughout this discussion and derive their own opinions. 2,500 views now - there must have been a significant blip on your counters as people seek their own answers to my questions. I'd suspect the same goes for those seeing if there is more information if they register and sign up in the investment section.
So, all to the good then
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Blacksword,
I hope you have wifi on your allotment:
"Hence, whilst all your shouting about BHX's short runway length is interesting
it has nothing at all to do with Air Sylhet's operational plans."
Let me get this right. Here is an airline which claims that point to point is the way it wants to operate, and an apologist for (or someone contracted to speak for - perhaps you could clarify) said airline points out that 95% of the British Bangladeshi community originate from Sylhet. So why even fly to Dhaka?
I still put it to you that:
1) Reaching Bangladesh non-stop from BHX will be difficult.
2) A double drop makes out and back in 24 hours extremely tight.
You can't just hide behind commercial sensitivity - I am quoting information already published in AS's prospectus. This isn't innuendo, this is a basic question of procedures. The idea that an airport's runway length has nothing to do with operational capability is frankly rather bizarre. Why not just state that you will start from LCY, or PLH - after all, there wouldn't be any operational constraints there, would there?
If I am wrong, and there is no technical issue, then I will be happy to stand corrected. Until then, it is just one of a growing list of concerns I have about this operation.
You can get as emotional as you want about the need to serve this market - not one of us here have questioned the existence of that need. I really don't see why it is such a difficult concept for you to understand the difference between a clear gap in the market, and our questioning the ability of one particular operator to fill that gap.
I think it is fair to say that those of us who have asked questions of AS are doing far more to serve the Bangadeshi community than Air Sylhet will. If one potential investor relays these questions at one of the company's meetings, then it will have been worth the effort. If these questions all somehow get answered, and Air Sylhet moulds itself into a viable proposition, then everyone wins - but we can all be optimists can't we?
Although you have chosen to ignore most of the detailed points I raise above, I will go back to this single point of runway length.
If I am wrong, and there are no technical constraints at BHX, or if BHX has a runway extension by the time AS start, then there is no problem, we move to the next topic. Either way, no need to accuse me of mud-slinging, it is a perfectly legitimate technical question. If I am right, then this sector will have to be operated with a tech stop, thus defeating one of the very objectives of point to point operations AS. Alternatively, it will have to be operated with loading restrictions, hence defeating the very point of having the high density configuration that budget airlines want.
I don't really see why it is so difficult for you to answer these basic questions. Have you considered asking whether or not Air Sylhet could go on the next round of Dragon's Den?
I hope you have wifi on your allotment:
"Hence, whilst all your shouting about BHX's short runway length is interesting
it has nothing at all to do with Air Sylhet's operational plans."
Let me get this right. Here is an airline which claims that point to point is the way it wants to operate, and an apologist for (or someone contracted to speak for - perhaps you could clarify) said airline points out that 95% of the British Bangladeshi community originate from Sylhet. So why even fly to Dhaka?
I still put it to you that:
1) Reaching Bangladesh non-stop from BHX will be difficult.
2) A double drop makes out and back in 24 hours extremely tight.
You can't just hide behind commercial sensitivity - I am quoting information already published in AS's prospectus. This isn't innuendo, this is a basic question of procedures. The idea that an airport's runway length has nothing to do with operational capability is frankly rather bizarre. Why not just state that you will start from LCY, or PLH - after all, there wouldn't be any operational constraints there, would there?
If I am wrong, and there is no technical issue, then I will be happy to stand corrected. Until then, it is just one of a growing list of concerns I have about this operation.
You can get as emotional as you want about the need to serve this market - not one of us here have questioned the existence of that need. I really don't see why it is such a difficult concept for you to understand the difference between a clear gap in the market, and our questioning the ability of one particular operator to fill that gap.
I think it is fair to say that those of us who have asked questions of AS are doing far more to serve the Bangadeshi community than Air Sylhet will. If one potential investor relays these questions at one of the company's meetings, then it will have been worth the effort. If these questions all somehow get answered, and Air Sylhet moulds itself into a viable proposition, then everyone wins - but we can all be optimists can't we?
Although you have chosen to ignore most of the detailed points I raise above, I will go back to this single point of runway length.
If I am wrong, and there are no technical constraints at BHX, or if BHX has a runway extension by the time AS start, then there is no problem, we move to the next topic. Either way, no need to accuse me of mud-slinging, it is a perfectly legitimate technical question. If I am right, then this sector will have to be operated with a tech stop, thus defeating one of the very objectives of point to point operations AS. Alternatively, it will have to be operated with loading restrictions, hence defeating the very point of having the high density configuration that budget airlines want.
I don't really see why it is so difficult for you to answer these basic questions. Have you considered asking whether or not Air Sylhet could go on the next round of Dragon's Den?
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Ho Hum
Jabird,
That you repeat BHX DAC route information means nothing,
just that you don't know what routes Air Sylhet will fly or when.
The "detailed points" you raise are based on your misconceptions.
To say that launch information isn't sensitive is just plain stupid.
UK to Bangladesh is currently the monopoly of Biman and BA under a single
designation.
Did you know that? (of course you did - you are an expert after all).
It is this single designation that has caused all the difficulties for UK Bangladeshis.
Biman and BA fly only three times a week Heathrow to Dhaka.
Biman doesn't even fly direct anymore.
Removing this monopoly is long overdue.
Sylhet is not yet available for direct flights (no doubt Biman and BA would expect to get the monopoly by extension of their existing single designation).
Air Sylhet will have to navigate around this monopoly.
If you have serious questions, then go to a seminar - the dates and times are published. All this is carefully explained. Show your face and find out.
A seminar was held in Coventry recently - did you miss it? Of course you did.
So much for your interest.
I think I'm entitled to get emotional when people continually repeat libels.
After all these posts, not a single shred of evidence. None.
Its shameful.
That you repeat BHX DAC route information means nothing,
just that you don't know what routes Air Sylhet will fly or when.
The "detailed points" you raise are based on your misconceptions.
To say that launch information isn't sensitive is just plain stupid.
UK to Bangladesh is currently the monopoly of Biman and BA under a single
designation.
Did you know that? (of course you did - you are an expert after all).
It is this single designation that has caused all the difficulties for UK Bangladeshis.
Biman and BA fly only three times a week Heathrow to Dhaka.
Biman doesn't even fly direct anymore.
Removing this monopoly is long overdue.
Sylhet is not yet available for direct flights (no doubt Biman and BA would expect to get the monopoly by extension of their existing single designation).
Air Sylhet will have to navigate around this monopoly.
If you have serious questions, then go to a seminar - the dates and times are published. All this is carefully explained. Show your face and find out.
A seminar was held in Coventry recently - did you miss it? Of course you did.
So much for your interest.
I think I'm entitled to get emotional when people continually repeat libels.
After all these posts, not a single shred of evidence. None.
Its shameful.
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BS,
Why don't you just answer one question for a change, instead of skirting round it.
[Reverts to Paxman mode]. Blacksword, is a Boeing 767 capable of flying non-stop from Birmingham to Sylhet with a full complement of passengers and freight.
YES or NO?
Why don't you just answer one question for a change, instead of skirting round it.
[Reverts to Paxman mode]. Blacksword, is a Boeing 767 capable of flying non-stop from Birmingham to Sylhet with a full complement of passengers and freight.
YES or NO?
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What a preposterous non-sense here, this professional pilots forum should talk about pilots and airline not FSA. I hope FSA are not going to open a forum and talk about pilots. Without a doubt the FSA are real intelligent humans.
Lets gets this clear once for all
Air Sylhet raising funds through co-founding members, for example 10,000 funding members 10K each = 100 MILLION POUNDS not dollars. As family members, you DO NOT NEED FSA
However, the co-founding members are inviting public to invest, just to measure amount of potential investor before they register FSA. Air Sylhet did not reach FSA Threshold or they broke FSA rules. Now lawyers are dealing to comply with FSA before they knock out threshold to further 100 Millions worldwide.
Only person I can see committing offence is in this forum. Who is pointing out without knowing FSA rules. By the way FSA means Financial Services Authority. NOT Financial Services Pilots.
As my understanding Air Sylhet will be spending Millions in aggressive marketing. I would advice Air Sylhet not to advertise with professional pilots until they prove they are professional pilots.
A double drop makes out and back in 24 hours extremely tight. (24 flying hours is more then enough)
I am sure Air Sylhet raising enough money from co-founding members, if they need to they will fund for runway extension.
CASH IS KING so relax ops push back junk post here.
Lets gets this clear once for all
Air Sylhet raising funds through co-founding members, for example 10,000 funding members 10K each = 100 MILLION POUNDS not dollars. As family members, you DO NOT NEED FSA
However, the co-founding members are inviting public to invest, just to measure amount of potential investor before they register FSA. Air Sylhet did not reach FSA Threshold or they broke FSA rules. Now lawyers are dealing to comply with FSA before they knock out threshold to further 100 Millions worldwide.
Only person I can see committing offence is in this forum. Who is pointing out without knowing FSA rules. By the way FSA means Financial Services Authority. NOT Financial Services Pilots.
As my understanding Air Sylhet will be spending Millions in aggressive marketing. I would advice Air Sylhet not to advertise with professional pilots until they prove they are professional pilots.
A double drop makes out and back in 24 hours extremely tight. (24 flying hours is more then enough)
I am sure Air Sylhet raising enough money from co-founding members, if they need to they will fund for runway extension.
CASH IS KING so relax ops push back junk post here.
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Sharp Razor,
"I am sure Air Sylhet raising enough money from co-founding members, if they need to they will fund for runway extension."
That is a gem mate, keep 'em coming.
"I am sure Air Sylhet raising enough money from co-founding members, if they need to they will fund for runway extension."
That is a gem mate, keep 'em coming.
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Sooo, this is a family owned operation. The "family" members are selling 'shares' (cough cough), but the nasty FSA is saying no?
Um yeah, what a great idea........
Where do I buy?
Um yeah, what a great idea........
Where do I buy?
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even more ho hum
Jabird,
Why don't you read my previous post?
Direct flight from the UK to Sylhet are not possible, because
A) UK to Bangladesh direct is single designation
B) Sylhet is not a destination open for scheduled UK flights.
You are trying to extract launch information, which you're not going to get.
The reasons are not sinister as you suggest, just commercially sensitive.
Wake up!
Why don't you read my previous post?
Direct flight from the UK to Sylhet are not possible, because
A) UK to Bangladesh direct is single designation
B) Sylhet is not a destination open for scheduled UK flights.
You are trying to extract launch information, which you're not going to get.
The reasons are not sinister as you suggest, just commercially sensitive.
Wake up!
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Flights to Sylhet
LittleLordFourntleroy,
Good question, easy answer (I hope!).
95% UK Bangaldeshis are from Sylhet.
Yet Sylhet is the one place they can't fly direct too.
This is because of a single designation monopoly held by Biman/BA
who operate Heathrow to Dhaka only.
Biman no longer even fly direct to Dhaka.
Currently it takes Sylhetis up to 24 hours to get home.
Often in very difficult conditions (temp, humidity etc)
This creates very significant hardships for a family oriented community.
If you are not Bangladeshi, this may be difficult for you to understand.
AirSylhet has been launched by the Bangladeshi community to
break this monoploy (and others) and to provide the services
they require. One key objective is to reduce flight times to 9 and 1/2 hours.
Air Sylhet objectives are not limited to flying to Sylhet alone,
but also to other destinations, providing services that are not currently available. For example, Jeddah. Islamabad and Dubai.
Air Sylhet intends to be a small to medium sized airline, linking the Sylheti and other communities around the world. Air Sylhet will not operate from Heathrow.
Good question, easy answer (I hope!).
95% UK Bangaldeshis are from Sylhet.
Yet Sylhet is the one place they can't fly direct too.
This is because of a single designation monopoly held by Biman/BA
who operate Heathrow to Dhaka only.
Biman no longer even fly direct to Dhaka.
Currently it takes Sylhetis up to 24 hours to get home.
Often in very difficult conditions (temp, humidity etc)
This creates very significant hardships for a family oriented community.
If you are not Bangladeshi, this may be difficult for you to understand.
AirSylhet has been launched by the Bangladeshi community to
break this monoploy (and others) and to provide the services
they require. One key objective is to reduce flight times to 9 and 1/2 hours.
Air Sylhet objectives are not limited to flying to Sylhet alone,
but also to other destinations, providing services that are not currently available. For example, Jeddah. Islamabad and Dubai.
Air Sylhet intends to be a small to medium sized airline, linking the Sylheti and other communities around the world. Air Sylhet will not operate from Heathrow.
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Birmingham...
Having worked across Asia and Africa for almost 20 years I fully understand how difficult it is to get to "secondary" cities like Sylhet. I for one would certainly welcome flights from Birmingham (where I grew up and most of my family still live) to Sylhet - are you serious about funding the runway expansion there? That would be fantastic!