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Not sure if JET2
WILL get my business at the moment they seem to really struggling with many delays some quite lengthy .Seems to be the 757 are tech quite a lot and the 737 is not far behind .Just booking flights to PMI and opted to fly with zb FROM man even thouhgh LS were cheaper .And yes i do understand it is pot luck if you incur a delay .But looking at the STATS LS are na performing too well
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Hi Phoneman,
It is standard practice for airlines to offer 3 rotations (there and backs) to European destinations each day from the UK. Early departure / daytime departure / evening or night time departure. Because Alicante is a high demand route Jet2 have decided that these, what you describe as unpleasant departure times, are to be used on this route (i.e. demand will still be high). This allows less popular or fledgling routes, such as Valencia, to be flown as the middle route of the day ('pleasant' departure times)-this obviously maximises demand. If demand from local people remains high for Alicante, despite early and late departure times, an afternoon Alicante departure would be installed (this happened to the Malaga flight). This allows the airline to continue to increase the number of destinations from the airport that serves our great city. It is interesting to note that Valencia was tried from the airport that you have chosen but abandoned because of lack of demand. Every time that you choose to ignore your local airports / airlines offering of the destination you require, whether because of departure time or cost etc-a little bit of damage is done. Jet2 now offer 28 destinations from LBIA, with more to come. They support hundreds of Leeds and Yorkshire jobs. I just feel that the people of West Yorkshire should thank them and support them whenever possible. Basically if you USE it, not only will you not LOSE it but you'll be able to fly to an ever growing list of destinations, at a low price from YOUR local airport.
Regards,
App.
It is standard practice for airlines to offer 3 rotations (there and backs) to European destinations each day from the UK. Early departure / daytime departure / evening or night time departure. Because Alicante is a high demand route Jet2 have decided that these, what you describe as unpleasant departure times, are to be used on this route (i.e. demand will still be high). This allows less popular or fledgling routes, such as Valencia, to be flown as the middle route of the day ('pleasant' departure times)-this obviously maximises demand. If demand from local people remains high for Alicante, despite early and late departure times, an afternoon Alicante departure would be installed (this happened to the Malaga flight). This allows the airline to continue to increase the number of destinations from the airport that serves our great city. It is interesting to note that Valencia was tried from the airport that you have chosen but abandoned because of lack of demand. Every time that you choose to ignore your local airports / airlines offering of the destination you require, whether because of departure time or cost etc-a little bit of damage is done. Jet2 now offer 28 destinations from LBIA, with more to come. They support hundreds of Leeds and Yorkshire jobs. I just feel that the people of West Yorkshire should thank them and support them whenever possible. Basically if you USE it, not only will you not LOSE it but you'll be able to fly to an ever growing list of destinations, at a low price from YOUR local airport.
Regards,
App.
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kingdee,
Not entirely pot luck about incuring a delay. You've chosen to fly with an airline that has overall a much younger fleet. All of Jet2's fleet is very old, not enough engineers to cover those aging aircraft (especially the 757's which are manpower intensive). There is no flexability in Jet2's fleet there's no spare aircraft at any time of the day(not so sure about Monarch).
But Playing the odds you've made the safe bet!
Not entirely pot luck about incuring a delay. You've chosen to fly with an airline that has overall a much younger fleet. All of Jet2's fleet is very old, not enough engineers to cover those aging aircraft (especially the 757's which are manpower intensive). There is no flexability in Jet2's fleet there's no spare aircraft at any time of the day(not so sure about Monarch).
But Playing the odds you've made the safe bet!
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I would say that Jet2 has more flexibility than Monarch as Monarch work their aicraft very hard whereas Jet2 appear to have a few gaps which can help to pull schedules back together. However their fleet is a lot older, but if the gremlins move in doesn`t matter how old the aircraft is
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Scary For The Opposition
2nd April 2007, 14:25 #65 Mr.Brown vbmenu_register("postmenu_3212089", true); Instead of being 'just another number' I could order a Personal Title and help support PPRuNe
Join Date: Apr 2005
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They'd better be bringing in this charge to pay for our pay rise that we haven,t heard anything about yet!!!!
Either
1, Disgruntled employee with axe to grind? (Don't think so.)
2, Scared opposition at Jet2s popularity?
3, Scared opposition at Jet2s growth rate?
Jet2 are a 757 down on what was planned. If anything they are guilty of trying to offer too much, too soon to too many.
I'm not a betting man but the stats (flightontime.info) (and there only stats) say that ZB flights have a greater average delay. Jet2 were top of the league and recent problems will not change this in the long run.
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It is interesting to note that Valencia was tried from the airport that you have chosen but abandoned because of lack of demand
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Regarding delay`s, check the link.
Jet2 No.1. Dont know where Thomsonfly are are in the stats from DSA.
http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
I use Jet2 30 - 40 times per year amongst others. They are usualy early rather than late. I am always impressed. Aircraft condition, absoutely OK compared with the rest of the industry in general.Flightdeck crews amongst the best.
I have taken more than 1,000 flights with KLM and and some of their fleet are downright scruffy.
It`s always the 2 holiday flights per year waller`s who complain.
When you have flown with more than 50 airlines, then you can form accurate opinions.
Also check:http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
Keep up the good work Jet2.
Jet2 No.1. Dont know where Thomsonfly are are in the stats from DSA.
http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
I use Jet2 30 - 40 times per year amongst others. They are usualy early rather than late. I am always impressed. Aircraft condition, absoutely OK compared with the rest of the industry in general.Flightdeck crews amongst the best.
I have taken more than 1,000 flights with KLM and and some of their fleet are downright scruffy.
It`s always the 2 holiday flights per year waller`s who complain.
When you have flown with more than 50 airlines, then you can form accurate opinions.
Also check:http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
Keep up the good work Jet2.
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How come they had
2 flights land from BFS within 4 minutes of each into LBA WAS one a div ?Surly Mr Meeson must be looking at some kind of fleet renewal i know they actually own most (if not all their a/c) but the 757 are ex China Southern and must have been well worked must be knocking on 20 - 25 years old.
I do like jet2 used them over 50 times in the past year or so but i much prefer flying aboard a newer acft
I do like jet2 used them over 50 times in the past year or so but i much prefer flying aboard a newer acft
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The 757's are all old and will cause alot more problems this summer. The engineers are going to need more time on them at night to give them the TLC they require.
Maybe some day PM will upgrade the fleet!
Another 757 would go a long way to help and two would be great.
Leeds Approach, "Discruntled Employee" me, never. The amount of money I'm getting out of the company at the moment. These old sheds are paying for my kids to go to private school, my wife's getting a boob job and I'm buying a place in spain.
I love working for jet2.
Maybe some day PM will upgrade the fleet!
Another 757 would go a long way to help and two would be great.
Leeds Approach, "Discruntled Employee" me, never. The amount of money I'm getting out of the company at the moment. These old sheds are paying for my kids to go to private school, my wife's getting a boob job and I'm buying a place in spain.
I love working for jet2.
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The 757's are all old
Another 757 would go a long way to help and two would be great.
not enough engineers to cover those aging aircraft (especially the 757's which are manpower intensive).
there's no spare aircraft at any time of the day
Aircraft reliabilty is no worse than any other airline I've worked for. Crews ability to deal with routine operational and tech issues, not so good due to inexperienced crews. But no less inexperienced than any other (comparable) airline at the moment, the experience level in the industry has fallen over these last few years.
The operation has become more challenging this year with the B737's mostly being B1 now. But if you think this operation is challenging, try operating a -200 series (even older at the time, even more performance limited, and even more tech problems) over a summer charter season. And this is before we start to operate such gems as Corfu..
my wife's getting a boob job
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Right on this one also. But there is a shortage of engineers too as well as pilots and secondhand aircraft. Non knowing the B757, why would it be any more labour intensive than a B737?
1) More seats, more pax = more cabin defects.
2) More wheels and brakes = more wear.
3) More doors with more complicated escape slides = more time to change a slide or lube a door.
4) You even need a set of steps just to get in the E/E bay or service the Hyd which all take time.
5) different inspections criteria ie. Eng MCD's are more frequent than the 737.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
1) More seats, more pax = more cabin defects.
2) More wheels and brakes = more wear.
3) More doors with more complicated escape slides = more time to change a slide or lube a door.
4) You even need a set of steps just to get in the E/E bay or service the Hyd which all take time.
5) different inspections criteria ie. Eng MCD's are more frequent than the 737.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
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Does anybody think that LS will launch Jet2Ski alongside Jet2Holidays? Flights to Milan, Geneva and Chambery with accomodation and private transfers? Or will they be waiting to see if the Spanish/Portugese side of the business work out?
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Does anyone know why G-LSAD still hasn't been painted in the full C/S? Is this aircraft only on a short term lease? I've seen it at MAN a few times this week and it looks pretty naff to be honest in that makeshift white colour scheme.
Also, parked up next to it today was the leased Futura 734 in a blue colour scheme and the ChanEx 733 which I believe is STN based in a green colour scheme, both with makeshift Jet2.com titles painted on. I know these aircraft are covering the extra summer traffic out of MAN but the varying schemes look extremely tacky and don't give a good image of the airline.
Also, parked up next to it today was the leased Futura 734 in a blue colour scheme and the ChanEx 733 which I believe is STN based in a green colour scheme, both with makeshift Jet2.com titles painted on. I know these aircraft are covering the extra summer traffic out of MAN but the varying schemes look extremely tacky and don't give a good image of the airline.
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Full paint jobs are mega-expensive and take quite a while so would generally only be done when the a/c is on a major overhaul or prior to entering service. If there wasn't time before AD came on line it would be perceived as low priority.
When a/c are leased in short-term, e.g. Futura, it simply isn't worth a full repaint as it all has to be done again when the lease ends (plus of course LS would cop for the bill both times as Futura wouldn't benefit from the LS colour scheme).
Back in the good old days of Orion Airways we had an Air Belgium 737 on lease with a red and yellow scheme, which jared somewhat with our normal house colours (tasteful brown, orange and yellow: the a/c looked like a flying Jaffa cake).
When a/c are leased in short-term, e.g. Futura, it simply isn't worth a full repaint as it all has to be done again when the lease ends (plus of course LS would cop for the bill both times as Futura wouldn't benefit from the LS colour scheme).
Back in the good old days of Orion Airways we had an Air Belgium 737 on lease with a red and yellow scheme, which jared somewhat with our normal house colours (tasteful brown, orange and yellow: the a/c looked like a flying Jaffa cake).