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Flight International sets the record straight
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The latest Flight International 3-9 April Page 5 prints the following correction:
The list of airlines that ceased operations during 2006 published in last week's World Airline Directory incorrectly included UK charter airline Flyjet. Although the airline was aquired by Silverjet last year, it continues to operate as a division with a fleet of two Boeing 757s. We are happy to set the record straight.
The latest Flight International 3-9 April Page 5 prints the following correction:
The list of airlines that ceased operations during 2006 published in last week's World Airline Directory incorrectly included UK charter airline Flyjet. Although the airline was aquired by Silverjet last year, it continues to operate as a division with a fleet of two Boeing 757s. We are happy to set the record straight.
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As someone who used to work for FJE and really gave it my all I feel heartily sorry for those crew left at NCL/MAN (wth LGW going imminently). They will get screwed over by the management, who promised so much, not to mention the promise of honesty and communication. If the posts on this forum are to be believed then the end is near for Flyjet, which is a shame.
I got the impression that everything is Silverjet, silverjet, silverjet. Surely diversification is a good idea, retaining 2 brands therefore increasing the revenue for the company. What happens if something went wrong with Silverjet, Flyjet could very well support them through the hard times if managed correctly.
The crews at Flyjet deserve so much better and would be a credit to any other airline. For leases to be cancelled on crew rooms and contracts cancelled, the information only to be made public on here is disgusting (if true), surely humane management would speak to their staff who have stuck with them through the worse times and give them some kind of heads up. Crews stuck with the airline with uncertainty over getting paid, working numerous days off with no thanks and operating long flights to difficult places and this is the gratitude shown.
Good Luck to all still there, it was a pleasure. Shame the management don't have the same respect!!
I got the impression that everything is Silverjet, silverjet, silverjet. Surely diversification is a good idea, retaining 2 brands therefore increasing the revenue for the company. What happens if something went wrong with Silverjet, Flyjet could very well support them through the hard times if managed correctly.
The crews at Flyjet deserve so much better and would be a credit to any other airline. For leases to be cancelled on crew rooms and contracts cancelled, the information only to be made public on here is disgusting (if true), surely humane management would speak to their staff who have stuck with them through the worse times and give them some kind of heads up. Crews stuck with the airline with uncertainty over getting paid, working numerous days off with no thanks and operating long flights to difficult places and this is the gratitude shown.
Good Luck to all still there, it was a pleasure. Shame the management don't have the same respect!!
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All the previous posts suggest that Flyjet is a successful charter airline and is fairly profitable. I don't mean to be ignorant but why doesn't someone (rich) buy the airline if it's about to get dumped at the end of the season. If there is money to be made!!!
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SilverJet already have, but no one is sure if they are going to invest in flyjet, or bring in a different name (BronzeJet?)
What ever happens they will need to source some more a/c as EA and EB are probably not allowed to fly as passenger a/c after Nov.
As i said they both going to either Fedex, although i think it will be DHL as they only fly 752's.
As ive said in a another post I think it all going to depend on this summer.
What ever happens they will need to source some more a/c as EA and EB are probably not allowed to fly as passenger a/c after Nov.
As i said they both going to either Fedex, although i think it will be DHL as they only fly 752's.
As ive said in a another post I think it all going to depend on this summer.
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Flyjet does have great staff but has been run by the worst management who only saw £££££ signs. Silverjet bought flyjet for its AOC and its 767 ( pprune if you wanna go to court over this one i will). Flyjet is not profitable, it operated 2 25 year old 757 with the amount of times they go tech over the summer with subbing out flights and hotel bills it all destroys profits. You are all good people STOP being used and go where you are deserved!!!!!!.
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theotherone whilst I agree with what you're saying, Flyjet probably isn't profitable, but we were very busy flying during the summer with the 2 757, so maybe it was the contracts that were agreed that were not financially profitable. If the new management had any sense they would renegociate.
Also last summer, while still bottom of the ontime league tables Flyjets performance was a hell of alot better than previous. Infact their newest operation at NCL performed excellently with very few delays due to tech a/c.
Also last summer, while still bottom of the ontime league tables Flyjets performance was a hell of alot better than previous. Infact their newest operation at NCL performed excellently with very few delays due to tech a/c.
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Not heard about the 757's going to DHL, unlikely they prefer aircraft with a decent history (ex BA)
I doubt FJE will have made much £ on the Scandic - Far East run this winter, judging by the amount of airlines that turned the flying down? ...
I doubt FJE will have made much £ on the Scandic - Far East run this winter, judging by the amount of airlines that turned the flying down? ...
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exactly Mr Angry, so many crew being flown out and with other airlines just to do 2 or 3 sectors in the far east, 1 week of continuous flight pay to operate 2 or 3 sectors for fje its stupid business sense. Id like to know what happens when that museum piece aicraft goes tech in thailand or UAB, more subs????? and what of crew and passenger saftey
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THEOTHERONE,
Stop this inaccurate bile. Where are you getting this rubbish from.
The Manchester crew room lease has not been cancelled it currently runs until well into 2008.
The aircraft are not 25 years old they were off the production line in 1990
You have no knowledge of any facts !
Stop this inaccurate bile. Where are you getting this rubbish from.
The Manchester crew room lease has not been cancelled it currently runs until well into 2008.
The aircraft are not 25 years old they were off the production line in 1990
You have no knowledge of any facts !
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WOW --The Rubbish that has been posted
Techproblem.... you say in you post above.........
"What ever happens they will need to source some more a/c as EA and EB are probably not allowed to fly as passenger a/c after Nov."
Not Allowed to Fly as Passenger A/C.?? WHAT RUBBISH
..........Please put some more precision into your statements. If you are guessing --just say so!
The aircraft have years of life left and it is simply that they have been aquired at the end of the current lease by a large freight operator. Had they not been so aquired they could continue for years as passenger aeroplanes.
A major factor here is that the 757 is a superbly versatile aircraft that can be flown non stop on routes such as USA to Manchester and still be great on a Corfu Gatwick service.
Its first class field performance means it can operate hot and high on long routes. Accordingly it can take on routes in the traditionally quiet Winter periods which are far longer and more demanding than those it breezes during a usual Summer IT programme.
It has been and still remains an excellent workhorse for the very successful UK IT Charter Industry. It is my opinion that from the UK Charter Airline perspective the B757 production line was stopped before a direct replacement was available. Jet2 and others have seen fit to aquire examples of the type.
As a result it seems to me that the lease market for the B757 has hardened up considerably making the B757 increasingly rare and sought after. In my opinion the type should still be in production.
What a shame new examples are not available.
"What ever happens they will need to source some more a/c as EA and EB are probably not allowed to fly as passenger a/c after Nov."
Not Allowed to Fly as Passenger A/C.??
WHAT RUBBISH ..........Please put some more precision into your statements. If you are guessing --just say so! The aircraft have years of life left and it is simply that they have been aquired at the end of the current lease by a large freight operator. Had they not been so aquired they could continue for years as passenger aeroplanes.
A major factor here is that the 757 is a superbly versatile aircraft that can be flown non stop on routes such as USA to Manchester and still be great on a Corfu Gatwick service.
Its first class field performance means it can operate hot and high on long routes. Accordingly it can take on routes in the traditionally quiet Winter periods which are far longer and more demanding than those it breezes during a usual Summer IT programme.
It has been and still remains an excellent workhorse for the very successful UK IT Charter Industry. It is my opinion that from the UK Charter Airline perspective the B757 production line was stopped before a direct replacement was available. Jet2 and others have seen fit to aquire examples of the type.
As a result it seems to me that the lease market for the B757 has hardened up considerably making the B757 increasingly rare and sought after. In my opinion the type should still be in production.
What a shame new examples are not available.
Last edited by SAM 2M; 11th Apr 2007 at 05:36. Reason: typos, re phrasing
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errr right HO ,
leases can be easily got out of, i have inside knowledge of these leases being cancelled, thank you. Apperently silverjet have paid an early cancelation fee but that was cheaper than paying for rooms they dont need and they are activlatly seeking ways out of the summer work as the flyjet operation is a drain on their limited resources for their own business expansion. msg me if you need to know more as its not fair to the good crew who work there.
leases can be easily got out of, i have inside knowledge of these leases being cancelled, thank you. Apperently silverjet have paid an early cancelation fee but that was cheaper than paying for rooms they dont need and they are activlatly seeking ways out of the summer work as the flyjet operation is a drain on their limited resources for their own business expansion. msg me if you need to know more as its not fair to the good crew who work there.
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oh and the planes are the original air2000 craft as far as i can trace but they didnt buy them new did they so they are obviously before 1990, i know a pilot who worked on them in 1986 so why dont you get YOUR facts straight, im trying to do the current crew a favour here so unless you can back your "facts" up keep out.
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1986 Pilot
Hi THEOTHERONE
Your pilot did not work on EA or EB in 1986.
Here are the facts..........:
EA Construction number 24636 First Flight 18 Jan 1990 (Roll Out 12.12.89)
EB Construction Number 24290 First Flight 10 Feb 1989 (Roll Out 10.01.89)
Refer
www.b757.info
SAM 2M
Your pilot did not work on EA or EB in 1986.
Here are the facts..........:
EA Construction number 24636 First Flight 18 Jan 1990 (Roll Out 12.12.89)
EB Construction Number 24290 First Flight 10 Feb 1989 (Roll Out 10.01.89)
Refer
www.b757.info
SAM 2M
Last edited by SAM 2M; 7th Apr 2007 at 08:12. Reason: Roll Out dates added
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Not going to get into this argument, other than to give the facts about the two B757 that are operated.
JEA was built in 1989 and first flew in 1990.
JEB was built in 1988/89 and first flew in 1989.
JEA was built in 1989 and first flew in 1990.
JEB was built in 1988/89 and first flew in 1989.
.and another thing, I don't think EA ever flew for Air2000.
It started out as GIEAB with Aspro ( Inter European), then was absorbed into Airtours International / My Travel as GLCRC....so there is a shortage of facts here !
It started out as GIEAB with Aspro ( Inter European), then was absorbed into Airtours International / My Travel as GLCRC....so there is a shortage of facts here !
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THE OTHERONE
I think you have been soundly corrected by 3 of us. QED
Less rant and more precision if you please. I trust you will consider yourself admonished.
Sam 2M
I think you have been soundly corrected by 3 of us. QED
Less rant and more precision if you please. I trust you will consider yourself admonished.
Sam 2M
Last edited by SAM 2M; 7th Apr 2007 at 08:43. Reason: addn of text
You can see GFJEA history with pics here :
http://web2.jetphotos.net/census/air...snid=757-24636
Delivered brand new to IEA in 1990 ¬ a sniff of Air 2000/First Choice
http://web2.jetphotos.net/census/air...snid=757-24636
Delivered brand new to IEA in 1990 ¬ a sniff of Air 2000/First Choice
There is nothing to stop the two 757s continuing in passenger service beyond October from a regulatory or legislatory point of view - and, as others have pointed out, they are 1989 / 1990 build aircraft so newer than some 757s still flying around!
However, the aircraft are due to return to their leasing company (AWAS) in October. This was part of the contract between Skylease and AWAS which long preceded Silverjet ever appearing on the scene. AWAS has already sold the two aircraft to Federal Express, which is seeking up to 100 757s to convert to freighters largely to replace its 727-200 aircraft. Whichever way you look at it, EA and EB will be going at the end of October.
In terms of the current summer contracts, the NCL operation keeps the aircraft relatively busy but the MAN aircraft is not particularly well utilised. It is operating nine rotations per week during the peak season and only six of those operate for the full May-end October season length.
Mon MAN-DLM-MAN
Tue MAN-SSH-MAN from end May
Wed MAN-LCA-MAN from July only
Thu MAN-MJT-MAN
Fri MAN-DLM-XXX-DLM-MAN
Sat MAN-SSH-MAN-RHO-MAN
Sun MAN-LCA-MAN
Although the aircraft might seem to be busy at certain times, I would guess that this wouldn't rank as one of the most profitable charter opportunities of all time.
It is also worthwhile reading the Silverjet document on their website last week about their need to raise £25m funding (again). It says that the combined Skylease/FlyJet entity might break even this year. On that basis, if you need funds to expand your own operation due to the incredible level of financial hooliganism ongoing at Silverjet as outlined in their placing document, one could argue that they will need every penny they've got to invest in Silverjet, and not be bothered about keeping FlyJet up and running.
However, the aircraft are due to return to their leasing company (AWAS) in October. This was part of the contract between Skylease and AWAS which long preceded Silverjet ever appearing on the scene. AWAS has already sold the two aircraft to Federal Express, which is seeking up to 100 757s to convert to freighters largely to replace its 727-200 aircraft. Whichever way you look at it, EA and EB will be going at the end of October.
In terms of the current summer contracts, the NCL operation keeps the aircraft relatively busy but the MAN aircraft is not particularly well utilised. It is operating nine rotations per week during the peak season and only six of those operate for the full May-end October season length.
Mon MAN-DLM-MAN
Tue MAN-SSH-MAN from end May
Wed MAN-LCA-MAN from July only
Thu MAN-MJT-MAN
Fri MAN-DLM-XXX-DLM-MAN
Sat MAN-SSH-MAN-RHO-MAN
Sun MAN-LCA-MAN
Although the aircraft might seem to be busy at certain times, I would guess that this wouldn't rank as one of the most profitable charter opportunities of all time.
It is also worthwhile reading the Silverjet document on their website last week about their need to raise £25m funding (again). It says that the combined Skylease/FlyJet entity might break even this year. On that basis, if you need funds to expand your own operation due to the incredible level of financial hooliganism ongoing at Silverjet as outlined in their placing document, one could argue that they will need every penny they've got to invest in Silverjet, and not be bothered about keeping FlyJet up and running.
On that basis, if you need funds to expand your own operation due to the incredible level of financial hooliganism ongoing at Silverjet as outlined in their placing document