Thomas Cook
I hope the readers and contributors realise that this is a rumour forum and that much written so far about the end of lease for 3 x A330s is partially informed speculation. The leases may yet be renewed, no announcement, nor I believe a decision has been made.
Is a case in point, the operative here is 'large.' It was a small portion of the A330 task.
A large chunk of the A330 capacity has been deployed on short-haul flying over the last two summers anyway
Two aircraft out of eight (including the OY- one) isn't my definition of a small portion. Much the same again in prospect for Summer 11. And that's before you get onto the subject of the Canadian Affair A330 flying. The fact remains that TCX as an airline has far more A330 capacity than the tour operator needs to meet its long-haul programme.
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"They plan to keep the ex MYT A330 a/c due to the lower deck lavs installed."
Yes indeed! The board, the powers that be, the holders of the purse strings, those in the know, met one day in an expensive, featureless room with large windows and bigger wooden table and decided between themselves that due to the lower deck lavs installed on the ex MYT A330 a/c they would keep these in favour of the ex TCX.
Ha! Words actually fail but at least the lower deck lavs on the ex MYT A330 don't. Guys please.....emocons............
Yes indeed! The board, the powers that be, the holders of the purse strings, those in the know, met one day in an expensive, featureless room with large windows and bigger wooden table and decided between themselves that due to the lower deck lavs installed on the ex MYT A330 a/c they would keep these in favour of the ex TCX.
Ha! Words actually fail but at least the lower deck lavs on the ex MYT A330 don't. Guys please.....emocons............
Enwon - surely this is one of the (few) sensible things which they have done. The A330s with LDLs allow you to fit the same number of seats but at better seat pitch than those without. Provided cargo capacity is not constrained then this is about as much of a no-brainer as it can be.
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CWL reduction is the stock answer of capacity cuts.
A330's well we would never know what the deals were when JMC took on OJMB/C but we could presume they were on a more expensive contract than the ex AIH A330's and therefore are the first to go.
A330's well we would never know what the deals were when JMC took on OJMB/C but we could presume they were on a more expensive contract than the ex AIH A330's and therefore are the first to go.
Had it been 2 aircraft out of 8 dedicated to medium-haul (short-haul was only undertaken to replace AOG and then only as the programme permitted) I would agree that it would not have been a small portion. Canadian Affairs is IMHO more lucrative than clawing back contracted out seats, so is not really a problem (and allows 'seat swapping' deals that keep contracted-in seat rates reasonable.) Over capacity in summer in Scandinavia is a problem when the aircraft are hived off to the UK (who can make more money/less loss from them,) but may be a good way of the group making best utilisation of its assets.
Lets just wait and see what happens instead of trying to second guess decisions made by the tour operator (not the airline) based on information we don't have.
Lets just wait and see what happens instead of trying to second guess decisions made by the tour operator (not the airline) based on information we don't have.
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Ive said it before....I shall say it again.....
I'm pretty confident that within the next 2-3 years....longhaul will have ceased and short medium haul is where TCX will base their flying.
Turkey and Egypt are their targets for "total domination"......
That's where the money is!
I'm pretty confident that within the next 2-3 years....longhaul will have ceased and short medium haul is where TCX will base their flying.
Turkey and Egypt are their targets for "total domination"......
That's where the money is!
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W rotation
1. Which base does the aircraft operating the Sunday service to Monastir from Norwich come from, presumably operating a "w" rotation ?
In summer 2010 it was from STN, you could check this via the Monastir site.
In summer 2010 it was from STN, you could check this via the Monastir site.
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TC Group Fleet Replacement
Extract from the group results released this morning...
Aircraft fleet replacement
Thomas Cook Group operates a fleet of 93 aircraft with an average age of 12 years. The Group has identified significant operational savings, particularly from maintenance and improved fuel efficiency, that can be achieved by renewing and harmonising its 71 narrow body aircraft onto a common fleet. Following a comprehensive review, the Group has selected the Airbus 320 family of aircraft. Accordingly, the Group will begin a five year narrow body aircraft replacement programme, starting in December 2012 and phased in line with the planned retirement of the existing fleet. The replacement programme will deliver optimum flexibility by sourcing new narrow body aircraft through a combination of firm and flexible orders direct with the manufacturer and through accessing the aircraft leasing market. A review of the wide body fleet replacement requirements will be undertaken during the 2010/11 financial year.
As part of the replacement programme, the Group has reached a memorandum of understanding with Airbus for 12 new Airbus 321 aircraft scheduled to be delivered in 2014, with a list price of $96 million each, together with options to purchase further aircraft from 2015. These aircraft are subject to substantial price concessions from the list price. The Group will remain a heavy user of operating leases and it is anticipated that directly purchased aircraft will be financed through sale and leaseback agreements with third party lessors.
Thomas Cook Group operates a fleet of 93 aircraft with an average age of 12 years. The Group has identified significant operational savings, particularly from maintenance and improved fuel efficiency, that can be achieved by renewing and harmonising its 71 narrow body aircraft onto a common fleet. Following a comprehensive review, the Group has selected the Airbus 320 family of aircraft. Accordingly, the Group will begin a five year narrow body aircraft replacement programme, starting in December 2012 and phased in line with the planned retirement of the existing fleet. The replacement programme will deliver optimum flexibility by sourcing new narrow body aircraft through a combination of firm and flexible orders direct with the manufacturer and through accessing the aircraft leasing market. A review of the wide body fleet replacement requirements will be undertaken during the 2010/11 financial year.
As part of the replacement programme, the Group has reached a memorandum of understanding with Airbus for 12 new Airbus 321 aircraft scheduled to be delivered in 2014, with a list price of $96 million each, together with options to purchase further aircraft from 2015. These aircraft are subject to substantial price concessions from the list price. The Group will remain a heavy user of operating leases and it is anticipated that directly purchased aircraft will be financed through sale and leaseback agreements with third party lessors.
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So basically
B757's to be replaced with A321's and then the long haul fleet to be reviewed next year, however i would expect for all Boeings to go as above, they want a single manufacturer fleet
B757's to be replaced with A321's and then the long haul fleet to be reviewed next year, however i would expect for all Boeings to go as above, they want a single manufacturer fleet
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The final decision for a 320 at CWL for S11 was not made as of the end of last week. The tour operator is keeping everyone guessing! CWL or EMA will get the 321 dependant on loads booked.
The future is bright, no poxy Boeings for USSSS!!!
The future is bright, no poxy Boeings for USSSS!!!
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They have a few flights over Christmas / New Year, otherwise they don't have any flights until mid February.
After that the programme builds back in April until the summer programme starts in May.
After that the programme builds back in April until the summer programme starts in May.