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Liverpool is definately strong enough for Ryanair to call it Liverpool. Manchester would probably make no difference at all.
A new airport in Manchester would cement the city as the second city of UK. Would be great for the economy.
If a new airport was opened, and offered same rates and facilities as LPL, does anybody think either FR or EZY would transfer, being able to fly to a far bigger city for the same prices?
A new airport in Manchester would cement the city as the second city of UK. Would be great for the economy.
If a new airport was opened, and offered same rates and facilities as LPL, does anybody think either FR or EZY would transfer, being able to fly to a far bigger city for the same prices?
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We never said anything about replacing MAN. I think that there should be a SECOND airport. Maybe, like MichaelDoyle said, take Woodford and do a majopr revamp and runway extension. This wouldn't cost billions! Maybe 20 million.
..and how do you think the aircraft into this second airport would dovetail into the airspace around the Manchester TMA? The expansion at very close Liverpool makes the airspace around Manchester complex & congested as it is. Add in Blackpool & Leeds & you have very complicated airspace with everyone climbing, descending & crossing each other. We already have far too many airports in the UK as it is. Do we need a Liverppol AND a Manchester? Do we need Birmingham, Coventry AND East Mids? Do we need Doncaster, Leeds AND Humberside?
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..and how do you think the aircraft into this second airport would dovetail into the airspace around the Manchester TMA? The expansion at very close Liverpool makes the airspace around Manchester complex & congested as it is. Add in Blackpool & Leeds & you have very complicated airspace with everyone climbing, descending & crossing each other.
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as a person living in blackpool, why should manchester get an extra airport, when there is spare capacity at local airports? i.e liverpool and blackpool .shouldnt manchester be the hub of the northwest with the local airports picking up th extra capacity, all it would do is put extra strain on ther road network around the manchester area, surelyif people travel from all over the northwest to man , what would the difference being for them to travel to lpl or blk?
And looking at it from a green enviromentally friendly side , and new airport is hardly goint make matters any better? Im not in aviation but just my point of view ,feel free to rip it to bits .
Merry Xmas
And looking at it from a green enviromentally friendly side , and new airport is hardly goint make matters any better? Im not in aviation but just my point of view ,feel free to rip it to bits .
Merry Xmas
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I am a great believer in local airports such as BLK and LPL. I think that every part of the country should be able to access the world from an airport within 30 mins car distance.
BUT, if Manchester is to compete with cities like Glasgow and Birmingham, it needs to strengthen it's worldwide transportation links. The Olympics are arriving in the UK in 2012, now we have all seen the nightmare at MAN when the Champions League Final was held at Old Trafford a few years back. Imagine the airport like that for 2 months! Would drive normal passengers mad, seeing hundreds of extra planes delaying their flights due to eco-friendly restrictions and slot requirements.
If Manchester is to keep upto date with the latest in world transportation, then surely LC airlines need to have more of a presence in the city. Another airport would ease traffic at MAN for long-haul and charter, and the new airport would be able to provide the city with the LC links around Europe, if not further.
About the pollution issue. If a new airport was to be built, it would probably be roughly the same size as LPL or EMA. Both of these airports make less pollution than Runway 3 at Heathrow will, and that has been approved by the Government.
BUT, if Manchester is to compete with cities like Glasgow and Birmingham, it needs to strengthen it's worldwide transportation links. The Olympics are arriving in the UK in 2012, now we have all seen the nightmare at MAN when the Champions League Final was held at Old Trafford a few years back. Imagine the airport like that for 2 months! Would drive normal passengers mad, seeing hundreds of extra planes delaying their flights due to eco-friendly restrictions and slot requirements.
If Manchester is to keep upto date with the latest in world transportation, then surely LC airlines need to have more of a presence in the city. Another airport would ease traffic at MAN for long-haul and charter, and the new airport would be able to provide the city with the LC links around Europe, if not further.
About the pollution issue. If a new airport was to be built, it would probably be roughly the same size as LPL or EMA. Both of these airports make less pollution than Runway 3 at Heathrow will, and that has been approved by the Government.
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Isn't Manchester's problem that the second runway for many different reasons doesn't meet the capacity demand. Best to look at sorting out the existing airport first.
Funny how two single runway airports in the SE achieve much better traffic figures than Manchester.
Funny how two single runway airports in the SE achieve much better traffic figures than Manchester.
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Firstly you could never use Woodford as for each movement there you lose one at Manchester
It`s not just the runway that constrains or adds movements its the taxiways as well, Heathrow has many exits and their airfield layout is very different from Manchester
Gatwick gets more off one runway as does Stanted due to one very big factor, the mix of aircraft as has been mentioned many times before because Manchester is the only one that has a large number of Turboprop and smalljets
(EMB145, CL65 etc) mixing it with a large number of wideboy causing big gaps to be provided
Heathrow will have fun when the A380 starts because a very large gap has to be built in between the following aircraft ( 12 miles I believe at first )
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It`s not just the runway that constrains or adds movements its the taxiways as well, Heathrow has many exits and their airfield layout is very different from Manchester
Gatwick gets more off one runway as does Stanted due to one very big factor, the mix of aircraft as has been mentioned many times before because Manchester is the only one that has a large number of Turboprop and smalljets
(EMB145, CL65 etc) mixing it with a large number of wideboy causing big gaps to be provided
Heathrow will have fun when the A380 starts because a very large gap has to be built in between the following aircraft ( 12 miles I believe at first )
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So your proposal gsm1991 is to invest tens of millions of pounds to build a new airport that looks like Liverpool, will handle all of the traffic that Liverpool has at the moment, putting that airport out of business, and to make sure it is closer to Manchester than the current 40 minute drive it takes to get from Manchester to Liverpool airport.
A wild guess here, but is the 1991 in your user name the year of your birth by any chance?
loco
A wild guess here, but is the 1991 in your user name the year of your birth by any chance?
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Maybe move LS,WW and other LCC carriers alredy based at MAN to Woodford as a LCC base but to say that EZY and FR can't use it as a base so it wont effect LPL.Or if EZY move like they wanted to let FR develop LPL as a major base like STN.
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Manchester and Liverpool still have plenty of capacity. The focus should be on using available capacity to the most efficient way possible before spending millions on a new airport in the nearby vicinity. (And that's not a dig at ATC or ground handling at either airport who do a great job under pressure as it is)!
And regarding re-routing flights...!
"Hi is that Ryanair? Hi I'm the Manchester Airport General Manager, would you mind re-routing your flights around the north a bit to free up some space to land aircraft at Manchester?"
Sorry can't see any airline at all agreeing to re-route flights on a longer route wasting hundreds of thousands of £££'s each year to allow an extra few aircraft per hour land at their destination.
Then again, I saw mommy kissing Santa last year, who knows what will happen next
Have a great christmas all, do take my post with a pinch of salt or two.
RR
And regarding re-routing flights...!
"Hi is that Ryanair? Hi I'm the Manchester Airport General Manager, would you mind re-routing your flights around the north a bit to free up some space to land aircraft at Manchester?"
Sorry can't see any airline at all agreeing to re-route flights on a longer route wasting hundreds of thousands of £££'s each year to allow an extra few aircraft per hour land at their destination.
Then again, I saw mommy kissing Santa last year, who knows what will happen next
Have a great christmas all, do take my post with a pinch of salt or two.
RR
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Manchester still has plenty of capacity available, and I can't admit to having read their masterplan, but can imagine that the airport authority and government understand that there must be expansion to coincide not only with the Olympics like you mention but also the fairly big number of passengers the country can expect in 2012 for the Olympics.
However, it's important to consider a couple of things. There is still capacity at airports which might be considered in the region, ie where pax using MAN currently fly from. These not only include "north-westerly" airports like BLK and LPL, but also airports within a 90-minute drive such as EMA & LBA. Also, air travel on some routes will diminish freeing up slots. Improved train links from Manchester to London and Scotland for example, won't mean an end to these routes, but maybe a contraction of capacity as more people use rail.
However, it's important to consider a couple of things. There is still capacity at airports which might be considered in the region, ie where pax using MAN currently fly from. These not only include "north-westerly" airports like BLK and LPL, but also airports within a 90-minute drive such as EMA & LBA. Also, air travel on some routes will diminish freeing up slots. Improved train links from Manchester to London and Scotland for example, won't mean an end to these routes, but maybe a contraction of capacity as more people use rail.
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...do u know something we don't ?
I cannot see why we would need 2nd airport but there has been lots of local gossip about Hawarden....
45 mins from Manchester and Liverpool, can easily handle up to A320 and I guess would be dirt cheap with BAe looking to exploit any opportunity.
,,,,and far enough away to avoid airspace issues.
I cannot see why we would need 2nd airport but there has been lots of local gossip about Hawarden....
45 mins from Manchester and Liverpool, can easily handle up to A320 and I guess would be dirt cheap with BAe looking to exploit any opportunity.
,,,,and far enough away to avoid airspace issues.
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Manchester has already two airports, Well i really mean a international airport at Ring Way but how about developing BARTON airfield into an regional airport. Good connnections to the motaway network (M62) as well as the trafford and Salford area's of greater MAN.