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Aer Arran could operate SNN-DUB, on a higher frequency if EI get some ageement with them as is on the cards
Aer Arann dont do DUBSNN these days however Ryanair are launching it from November which will be a complete disaster in my opinion. Anyway, as regards if EI come to BFS I couldnt see Aer Arann moving to BFS over BHD.
I would be so glad if EI come to BFS , it would suit me so well. However, now that it's official that FR cant buy EI buy EU say so, I wouldnt be surprised if FR follow EI into any new bases , just as they did at MAD with EZY??
However, I was always surprised that FR never flew to BFS given it overall business with the owner who has a few other airports. And last week when LDY was closed it was surprising that FR did not use BFS as when Weeze closed Eindhoven was used instead.
What does anyone esle think? some comments on the forum suggest that FR went into BRS ahead of a rumour that EI was planning that same thing??
Aer Arann dont do DUBSNN these days however Ryanair are launching it from November which will be a complete disaster in my opinion. Anyway, as regards if EI come to BFS I couldnt see Aer Arann moving to BFS over BHD.
I would be so glad if EI come to BFS , it would suit me so well. However, now that it's official that FR cant buy EI buy EU say so, I wouldnt be surprised if FR follow EI into any new bases , just as they did at MAD with EZY??
However, I was always surprised that FR never flew to BFS given it overall business with the owner who has a few other airports. And last week when LDY was closed it was surprising that FR did not use BFS as when Weeze closed Eindhoven was used instead.
What does anyone esle think? some comments on the forum suggest that FR went into BRS ahead of a rumour that EI was planning that same thing??
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I believe Belfast International Airport and the Ryans 'don't get on'. There was much talk last year of harp tails in BFS but it never happened. There would be inevitable duplication of routes and the end result would be no winners. Easyjet let Ryanair run them out of the south. I wonder if they would let them do the same up north?
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EI - 4 BFS based airframes and 10 routes to be announced shortly
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If EI do come to Bfs, BD could take a real hit on their Lhr route. I have just been checking prices to Lhr ex Bhd. The 6.45am on the 5th. Nov 2007. The cheapest fare is £161 plus tax. I know it is a peak departure, but that is really milking their monopoly position.
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So apart from Heathrow, does anyone know any of the other 9 routes?
There was mention of Madrid being looked at by other posters on this thread. Could that be one?
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There was mention of Madrid being looked at by other posters on this thread. Could that be one?
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After that True Blue, I just checked DUB-LHR on the same date with bmi and EI.
EI a whopping €57 and bmi €49, both 0640 ish departures. That's around a £5 difference after conversion, and the fares both under £40 including taxes. City more expensive to operate to? Ok, but not by £100+ per passenger.
EI a whopping €57 and bmi €49, both 0640 ish departures. That's around a £5 difference after conversion, and the fares both under £40 including taxes. City more expensive to operate to? Ok, but not by £100+ per passenger.
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Ok whats going on.
1. en2r seems quite certain that nothing is going to happen until February if at all with reference to Belfast. (annoucement not imminent)
2. cessnarocket talks about announcement for the end of this week, with services starting 1st November.
3. Tower Ranger, is playing ones cards close to ones chest but is positive about Belfast
4. I think that most of the rest of us don't actually know anything for certain. However EI are talking to BFS, with BRS out of the frame things are looking good.
What about BHD as an option EI were talking to both Belfast airports.
So the two extremes are en2r (not too positive about BFS) and cessnarocket (very positive about announcement this week) and Tower Ranger in the middle, not revealing too much.
1. en2r seems quite certain that nothing is going to happen until February if at all with reference to Belfast. (annoucement not imminent)
2. cessnarocket talks about announcement for the end of this week, with services starting 1st November.
3. Tower Ranger, is playing ones cards close to ones chest but is positive about Belfast
4. I think that most of the rest of us don't actually know anything for certain. However EI are talking to BFS, with BRS out of the frame things are looking good.
What about BHD as an option EI were talking to both Belfast airports.
So the two extremes are en2r (not too positive about BFS) and cessnarocket (very positive about announcement this week) and Tower Ranger in the middle, not revealing too much.
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Just to keep you up with the times Albert Harrison has retired from Belfast.Ryanair do not like diverting to BFS as they have no deal in place thus paying full landing and passenger charges.To keep the orange machine,the imminent arrival of the shamrock,jet2 and the tiny baby all happy, i think the harp would cause many problems.
Just to keep you up with the times Albert Harrison has retired from Belfast.Ryanair do not like diverting to BFS as they have no deal in place thus paying full landing and passenger charges.To keep the orange machine,the imminent arrival of the shamrock,jet2 and the tiny baby all happy, i think the harp would cause many problems.
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Straightahead re why Fr dont go to BFS
Thanks for that simple explanation, i should have thought of that!
Makes sense..why FR dont use BFS for diversions as in the case of LDY last week
Makes sense..why FR dont use BFS for diversions as in the case of LDY last week
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When Aer Lingus announce their new BFS base I think that it will be a turning point in aviation in Northern Ireland.BFS,the main airfield will again become the major IATA and OAG destination for Northern Ireland and its people.Instead of BHD to LHR and BFS to EWR(the only two IATA routes),Aer lingus as a member of IATA will open up BFS as the destination it was before,and available to worldwide connections.Hope that there will be a transatlantic destination in their announcment too as I predicted six months ago.Anyway"Look up its Aer Lingus".
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Apologies if I have missed something, but is EI at BFS confirmed? Lots of talk about what will happen when EI come to BFS, but I didn't think anything had been announced?
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'Look up it's Aer Lingus'? If I look up the history of Aer Lingus out of BFS it's one of operate a route for a while and then withdraw due to it being economically unviable. I seem to remeber A330s a few times a week to SNN & then across the pond, what happened there then? If EI enter the Northern Ireland market again it will need to be with a very low cost base. They're competing with Easy who have dominance at BFS, I can see the potential for LHR though. Don't forget that EI are the flag carrier for the Republic of Ireland and no matter how much it's nice to pretend it doesn't exist, a lot of people from NI won't choose to use them on that basis alone.
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I think those old days of sectarianism are long gone and decent working class people want to forget the past and move on.True,there are still the few out there who want to cause trouble, but dont forget the people who have lost loved ones on both sides,but we all have to look forward.Aer Lingus are part of the peace process like it or not and part of the divident to make our country work.They are coming to Belfast and investing in our part of the country again.Good on them
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Ei Bfs/lhr
Where are the LHR slots coming from ?
EI currently have 22 deps/arrs daily @ LHR fm ORK,DUB,SNN , ...are they going to reduce these services to fund BFS ?
Have read elsewhere that American carriers willing to pay big bucks to
get their hands on slots @ LHR due Open Skies....and EI is one of the big potential sources but opening BFS would make this very difficult.
Are EI scaling back DUB/LHR as they expand LHL and Euro intl fm DUB ?
EI currently have 22 deps/arrs daily @ LHR fm ORK,DUB,SNN , ...are they going to reduce these services to fund BFS ?
Have read elsewhere that American carriers willing to pay big bucks to
get their hands on slots @ LHR due Open Skies....and EI is one of the big potential sources but opening BFS would make this very difficult.
Are EI scaling back DUB/LHR as they expand LHL and Euro intl fm DUB ?
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How do you know its EI and they are going to LHR along with others.
Im hearing a different carrier going in a different direction!!!!!!!!
Its called a curved ball
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K.I.L.
Im hearing a different carrier going in a different direction!!!!!!!!
Its called a curved ball
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K.I.L.
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Gate 22, I am not being negative about BFS, EI simply do not have 3 or 4 aircraft lying around to start a new base, any new base will be started by new aircraft (or planes displaced by new aircraft). The have one A320 arriving in September/October I think, but thay have already announced 5 new routes from Dublin to fill that one up. There are no other new aircraft arriving this year (bar the A330). I just think people are getting ahead of themselves with comments like "when EI announce their BFS base". Nothing is confirmed yet, and Birmingham and Manchester are still very much in the fray for the new base. I still feel that EI will set up a base somewhere they already operate to. As for longhaul from the new base, dream on! EI are having enough trouble getting enough capacity for new longhaul routes from Dublin, I'd very much doubt there will be any new longhaul routes from anywhere except Dublin for the next 3 or 4 years, until their new longhaul fleet comes on stream. As for LHR slots, they already have one slot leased out to another airline so that could be used, reducing Dub-LHR is very unlikely. Dublin-London is the busiest airroute in Europe and the second busiest airroute in the World. DUB-LHR is by far EI's busiest route, I'd say at the very most 1 rotation could be cut, but I'd say any reduction is unlikely. As for Cork, that has a load factor of nearly 80%, and fares aren't that cheap so I'd say all 5 rotations are safe. Shannon could possibly drop a rotation, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There was some outlandish comment before that there could be up to 6 flights per day to LHR, but thats completely out of the question considering how hard it is to get LHR slots.