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What a bold move. The website now says AS SEEN ON TV on the top of the page.
To be fair their is an explanation of some of the points raised on the programme.
Now to be fair my opinion of some press reports is rather low. My interest is aircraft and even with my limited knowledge on the subject the press are sometimes pathetic when it comes to reporting. Just look at the shock horror reports concerning a go around or similar.
In my proffesional job the press are sometimes even worse with the story only listening to one side and not the other. Shock horror repys get viewes.
Now while Flywho in my opinion has been a mess consider the following.
The MD turned up and gave an interview and answered questions. He was not chased around with a microphone like I have seen before or refused to comment like lots of others.
Crook etc is I think out of order, if you want to level anything then the worst is incompetant in the airline industry.
It is worth reading the comments he makes, I suspect that the truth is somewhere in between the 2.
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To be fair their is an explanation of some of the points raised on the programme.
Now to be fair my opinion of some press reports is rather low. My interest is aircraft and even with my limited knowledge on the subject the press are sometimes pathetic when it comes to reporting. Just look at the shock horror reports concerning a go around or similar.
In my proffesional job the press are sometimes even worse with the story only listening to one side and not the other. Shock horror repys get viewes.
Now while Flywho in my opinion has been a mess consider the following.
The MD turned up and gave an interview and answered questions. He was not chased around with a microphone like I have seen before or refused to comment like lots of others.
Crook etc is I think out of order, if you want to level anything then the worst is incompetant in the airline industry.
It is worth reading the comments he makes, I suspect that the truth is somewhere in between the 2.
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Hi guys & gals, having read these posts has given me an idea, I could start my own business selling tickets.... but what should the tickets be for? Let me think... I suppose it doesn't really matter what they are for as long as I make them sound good, Hey! I could set up my own website and make them sound really great.. like sort of better than anybody else could offer, I could take payment on-line and then just before the service is due contact the customer and tell them that the service is cancelled and promise them their money back, but only pay those who really make a fuss, Wow! how plausible is that. That way I wouldn't have to go bust and I could carry on selling tickets all the way from here to FLORIDA. But on thinking about it I won't bother, somebody else has probably already thought about it and who knows may well (as we speak) be selling tickets that promise the earth but delivers nought.
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I have been reading this thread and I feel the need to raise a few issues about some of the sentiments displayed here.
I have known of Flywho/Flyblu from almost when they first appeared on the scene, I went to the travel show when they were just getting it together and heard the pitch for a new idea, and I have to say it made sense. Many friends who I have told about the concept of extra leg room and better service (especially the taller frequent fliers) have said that they would fly with Flywho once it was up and running.
I have a little knowledge of this industry and have had enough real experience of how things can go when you are a new business to be able to make some conclusions about the stance that Flywho have taken.
Firstly I am aware that many of the reasons Flywho have not `got off the ground` (sic) are due to investers, investment brokers and people within the aviation business either letting them down, changing thier minds or what appears to be, blatantly obstructing thier progress. Yet I have not heard one utterance of blame from Flywho or it's directors as to the current problems. Mr Murcutt had ample chance to do this on Watchdog yet did not.
I am also aware that if Flywho and Mr Murcutt were the crooks that many on this site seem to label them as, why havn't they gone into liquidation or better still run off with all the money people think they are hoarding. Most of the charletons that manage to get thier faces on BBC consumer programmes do just that and then re-appear under a different name. I have spoken to Flywho and they have told me they are trying to repay everyone by Christmas and I fear that most of this money will be comming from the personal pockets of those in charge as they have already commited payment for things like uniforms and training which has taken most of the remaining investment they had and then some. Again I would like to know why they would spend this money if thier intention was to rip people off?
I am saddend that some people seem to want to tear down and slag off genuine entrepreneurs, it's attitudes like this that force many of this countries businessmen and women to seek better favour overseas.
A last note to the person who said `great show, what a pratt`. The only reason I can see for calling Mr Murcutt a pratt is for trying to do the right thing instead of walkiing away and leaving you ungreatful miscreants to deal with unfeeling liquidators. Some of you should have more sense!
I have known of Flywho/Flyblu from almost when they first appeared on the scene, I went to the travel show when they were just getting it together and heard the pitch for a new idea, and I have to say it made sense. Many friends who I have told about the concept of extra leg room and better service (especially the taller frequent fliers) have said that they would fly with Flywho once it was up and running.
I have a little knowledge of this industry and have had enough real experience of how things can go when you are a new business to be able to make some conclusions about the stance that Flywho have taken.
Firstly I am aware that many of the reasons Flywho have not `got off the ground` (sic) are due to investers, investment brokers and people within the aviation business either letting them down, changing thier minds or what appears to be, blatantly obstructing thier progress. Yet I have not heard one utterance of blame from Flywho or it's directors as to the current problems. Mr Murcutt had ample chance to do this on Watchdog yet did not.
I am also aware that if Flywho and Mr Murcutt were the crooks that many on this site seem to label them as, why havn't they gone into liquidation or better still run off with all the money people think they are hoarding. Most of the charletons that manage to get thier faces on BBC consumer programmes do just that and then re-appear under a different name. I have spoken to Flywho and they have told me they are trying to repay everyone by Christmas and I fear that most of this money will be comming from the personal pockets of those in charge as they have already commited payment for things like uniforms and training which has taken most of the remaining investment they had and then some. Again I would like to know why they would spend this money if thier intention was to rip people off?
I am saddend that some people seem to want to tear down and slag off genuine entrepreneurs, it's attitudes like this that force many of this countries businessmen and women to seek better favour overseas.
A last note to the person who said `great show, what a pratt`. The only reason I can see for calling Mr Murcutt a pratt is for trying to do the right thing instead of walkiing away and leaving you ungreatful miscreants to deal with unfeeling liquidators. Some of you should have more sense!
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I have spoken to Flywho and they have told me they are trying to repay everyone by Christmas and I fear that most of this money will be comming from the personal pockets of those in charge as they have already commited payment for things like uniforms and training which has taken most of the remaining investment they had and then some. Again I would like to know why they would spend this money if thier intention was to rip people off?
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Perhaps next time they will use money from their personal pockets to pay for things like uniforms and training ( and maybe an aircraft as well!!) whilst putting money they receive from customers into another pocket where they can't get their hands on it until they actually fly.
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Guys- the FW story has ended for the time being - so why keep harping on about it - its pretty boring - most of you "IN THE KNOW" on here are apparantly intelligent individuals, who have "insider" knowledge and the like....
Im one of the crew that were made redundant in Sept - I havent seen any of us on here whinging about it all..... MOST of us have now moved on and nearly all of us are flying again and if not have found alternative employment in other areas. If anyone has the right to whinge and make sarcastic comments I think its the crew......
I have nothing but admiration for the directors and managers at FW. The whole redundancy thing was handled well and we were treated with respect and compassion. It was a tough few weeks but there was always a risk and I am so very proud to say I and my former colleagues had the B***s to take the risk....
I have made some great friends from my time at FW and came away with new skills which will help me in my career now.
May seem a little corny to you on here "IN THE KNOW" but its true.
Its easy for you guys to name call and poke fun and sometimes be downright rude and negative about FW behind your sign on names, However not one of you have the B***s to take a risk or set up your own airline or at least give it a go..
So why dont you all - like the crew and staff that were made redundant move on. Get back to your plane spotting or whatever it is you do when your not on here !!!!.
Happy new year to you all.
Im one of the crew that were made redundant in Sept - I havent seen any of us on here whinging about it all..... MOST of us have now moved on and nearly all of us are flying again and if not have found alternative employment in other areas. If anyone has the right to whinge and make sarcastic comments I think its the crew......
I have nothing but admiration for the directors and managers at FW. The whole redundancy thing was handled well and we were treated with respect and compassion. It was a tough few weeks but there was always a risk and I am so very proud to say I and my former colleagues had the B***s to take the risk....
I have made some great friends from my time at FW and came away with new skills which will help me in my career now.
May seem a little corny to you on here "IN THE KNOW" but its true.
Its easy for you guys to name call and poke fun and sometimes be downright rude and negative about FW behind your sign on names, However not one of you have the B***s to take a risk or set up your own airline or at least give it a go..
So why dont you all - like the crew and staff that were made redundant move on. Get back to your plane spotting or whatever it is you do when your not on here !!!!.
Happy new year to you all.
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The only way that is going to happen is if you stop posting on the subject. Your 40 Flywho messages to date might just have kept it going.
Glad you have got yourself sorted after your redundancy but you could have avoided redundancy if you had listened to most of those on here.
I trust everyone has been paid out now and wish you well for the New Year.
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Glad you have got yourself sorted after your redundancy but you could have avoided redundancy if you had listened to most of those on here.
I trust everyone has been paid out now and wish you well for the New Year.
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wan2fly, I hope you and your former colleagues are now re-employed after being made redundant, I appreciate that isn't I pleasant situation to be in.
Speaking purely for myself, the reason I still look and post on the subject is that I'm amazed that they're still trying to flog the dead horse!!! I think the nail was firmly driven into the coffin with the performance on "Watchdog". Instead of using the opportunity to re-assure customers and advise them of flywho's future plans he driveled on about how lovely his company is, big mistake. They now have even less credibility than before, he obviously had no idea how to handle the media and how to present himself. Imagine if he'd have been interviewed by Anne Robinson, she'd have made mincemeat of him!!!!
Yes, some of us are in the know and have a little knowledge of what they're talking about. I'm not a plane spotter although I will admit to having a very keen interest in aircraft, however my interest is mainly in the amount of money they make operationally for myself and my clients.
Could the reason for the silence of any flywho staff be the confidentiality agreement they had to sign?
The whole idea was originally not a bad one and could possibly have worked, but not in the hands of these amateurs.
Again, I am very pleased you have found a new position.
Speaking purely for myself, the reason I still look and post on the subject is that I'm amazed that they're still trying to flog the dead horse!!! I think the nail was firmly driven into the coffin with the performance on "Watchdog". Instead of using the opportunity to re-assure customers and advise them of flywho's future plans he driveled on about how lovely his company is, big mistake. They now have even less credibility than before, he obviously had no idea how to handle the media and how to present himself. Imagine if he'd have been interviewed by Anne Robinson, she'd have made mincemeat of him!!!!
Yes, some of us are in the know and have a little knowledge of what they're talking about. I'm not a plane spotter although I will admit to having a very keen interest in aircraft, however my interest is mainly in the amount of money they make operationally for myself and my clients.
Could the reason for the silence of any flywho staff be the confidentiality agreement they had to sign?
The whole idea was originally not a bad one and could possibly have worked, but not in the hands of these amateurs.
Again, I am very pleased you have found a new position.
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Of course I have the right to write 40 or so whatever it is replys or posts - I cant beleive you checked the number of my posts - your life most be so jam packed with things to do lol lol I did chuckle at that - I and all the employees of FW have had MORE interest than anyone else who posts on here as we all worked for the company. Also in response - "If I had listened to advice on here" ( how patronising are you ??? ) Did you not read my post I put that WE ALL KNEW the RISK the word to look at here is RISK I took a risk as I believed in the product and if it had gone ahead then it would have been fantastic. My risk never paid off but im glad i took it - what risk have you taken lately!! gone out side without a coat on ? maybe it will rain lol - sorry for the bad joke but gees your post man !!.
Come on - Yes the watchdog programme was a nightmare - I felt for the man I really did - But we all know that Mr Campbell knows "jack" about anything as he reads from a script and is an actor the the same with Ms Robinson they dont have the consumer interest at heart just their own bank balance and self importance - its called TV !!! - altho I will agree that it did nothing for the brand. ( and the public love the programme )
The reason for the silence of FW staff is not confidentiality agreement (this was the case tho when we were setting up etc - be stupid not to have one really, wouldnt it?) its bevause we all got on found our new jobs, in my case went back to my old one - or in others cases have gone to something new.
We all keep in touch and everyone is fine ( thanks for asking ) .
What annoys me, my friend, is that "Them who are in the know" slate EVERY start up on here or are negative about everything - you may say they, and yourself in some respects, are been realistic !! - however look at the posts on SilverJet - they seem to be doing ok and launch in a couple of weeks - Maxjet and Eos both doing well or at least ok... i dont know the FULL in and outs why FW didnt succeed Im not an industry expert or "in the know lol " im a mere FA (
) who loves to fly love my job and beleived in something and went for it. 
Of course I have the right to write 40 or so whatever it is replys or posts - I cant beleive you checked the number of my posts - your life most be so jam packed with things to do lol lol I did chuckle at that - I and all the employees of FW have had MORE interest than anyone else who posts on here as we all worked for the company. Also in response - "If I had listened to advice on here" ( how patronising are you ??? ) Did you not read my post I put that WE ALL KNEW the RISK the word to look at here is RISK I took a risk as I believed in the product and if it had gone ahead then it would have been fantastic. My risk never paid off but im glad i took it - what risk have you taken lately!! gone out side without a coat on ? maybe it will rain lol - sorry for the bad joke but gees your post man !!.
Come on - Yes the watchdog programme was a nightmare - I felt for the man I really did - But we all know that Mr Campbell knows "jack" about anything as he reads from a script and is an actor the the same with Ms Robinson they dont have the consumer interest at heart just their own bank balance and self importance - its called TV !!! - altho I will agree that it did nothing for the brand. ( and the public love the programme )
The reason for the silence of FW staff is not confidentiality agreement (this was the case tho when we were setting up etc - be stupid not to have one really, wouldnt it?) its bevause we all got on found our new jobs, in my case went back to my old one - or in others cases have gone to something new.
We all keep in touch and everyone is fine ( thanks for asking ) .
What annoys me, my friend, is that "Them who are in the know" slate EVERY start up on here or are negative about everything - you may say they, and yourself in some respects, are been realistic !! - however look at the posts on SilverJet - they seem to be doing ok and launch in a couple of weeks - Maxjet and Eos both doing well or at least ok... i dont know the FULL in and outs why FW didnt succeed Im not an industry expert or "in the know lol " im a mere FA (
) who loves to fly love my job and beleived in something and went for it.
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I've been sat on my hands with regard to this thread for some time now, but I have to say a heartfelt "thank you" to Wan2fly.
I have only an oblique connection with FlyWho. What I know of them is that they were a stunning group of people, from senior management to cabin crew. I do wonder if the people here who are saying "I told you so" have achieved anything worthwhile in their lives... FlyWho took a risk on setting up a great product. They refined that product and recruited a superb group of cabin crew - I have worked for many airlines and would have been honoured to recruit ANY of the people that FlyWho got, let alone all of them!!
The fact that FlyWho didn't quite make it is down in many ways to pure luck - as it is with most start-ups. FlyWho didn't have much, sadly.
For those who stand there and say "I told you so", I would ask you to examine your consciences. If your postings on here in any way - even if by a tiny fraction of a percentage - hindered FlyWho, you should hang your heads in shame. For alleged airline professionals to take pleasure from a start up failure is, frankly, nauseating.
Being wise after the event is easy. Having the guts to try deserves saluting.
I hope that all the FlyWho team get positions elsewhere quickly, and I salute them for their courage and vision.
I have only an oblique connection with FlyWho. What I know of them is that they were a stunning group of people, from senior management to cabin crew. I do wonder if the people here who are saying "I told you so" have achieved anything worthwhile in their lives... FlyWho took a risk on setting up a great product. They refined that product and recruited a superb group of cabin crew - I have worked for many airlines and would have been honoured to recruit ANY of the people that FlyWho got, let alone all of them!!
The fact that FlyWho didn't quite make it is down in many ways to pure luck - as it is with most start-ups. FlyWho didn't have much, sadly.
For those who stand there and say "I told you so", I would ask you to examine your consciences. If your postings on here in any way - even if by a tiny fraction of a percentage - hindered FlyWho, you should hang your heads in shame. For alleged airline professionals to take pleasure from a start up failure is, frankly, nauseating.
Being wise after the event is easy. Having the guts to try deserves saluting.
I hope that all the FlyWho team get positions elsewhere quickly, and I salute them for their courage and vision.
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Wan2fly, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree but what is quite clear from you post's is that you obviously feel quite passionately about the situation which is commendable and don't put yourself down by saying you are a mere FA. It's a great job, I did it for man years and loved it. We're looking at the situation from different angels, I respect your point of view.
You're quite right about Nikki Campbell, he doesn't have to know a great deal about the subject he is presenting and does read from a script. However, I have to disagree, he is no actor!!! It isn't necessary for him to have a knowledge of the subject, as you say, he has a script, a background of the situation plus his producer talking in his ear prompting him what to say and questions to ask. Watchdog sells itself as the voice of the consumer, in reality it's all about TV ratings. A huge opportunity for recovery was lost.
I have no drought that the staff recruited by flywho were of the best but they were very sadly let down.
All the best to you.
Twinaisle, nobody is saying I told you so and I have no need to examine my conscience or hang my head in shame. My comments have simply been my view, as I see it, based on my experience from within the industry. I don't think any opinion expressed on this forum or any other could possibly have had any effect on flywho's success and I'm yet to be convinced that luck or the lack of it plays any part.
You're quite right about Nikki Campbell, he doesn't have to know a great deal about the subject he is presenting and does read from a script. However, I have to disagree, he is no actor!!! It isn't necessary for him to have a knowledge of the subject, as you say, he has a script, a background of the situation plus his producer talking in his ear prompting him what to say and questions to ask. Watchdog sells itself as the voice of the consumer, in reality it's all about TV ratings. A huge opportunity for recovery was lost.
I have no drought that the staff recruited by flywho were of the best but they were very sadly let down.
All the best to you.
Twinaisle, nobody is saying I told you so and I have no need to examine my conscience or hang my head in shame. My comments have simply been my view, as I see it, based on my experience from within the industry. I don't think any opinion expressed on this forum or any other could possibly have had any effect on flywho's success and I'm yet to be convinced that luck or the lack of it plays any part.
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nobody is saying I told you so and I have no need to examine my conscience or hang my head in shame. My comments have simply been my view, as I see it, based on my experience from within the industry
Any other axes to grind while you are at it?
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Twinaisle/Wan2Fly
Can you two put it to bed now its
becomming quite sad that you cant
let it go!
I have every sympathy for all the
people who might have 'purchased'
a ticket for this no-go airline and
have had to see their plans
scuppered by the ill formulated and
dis-organised group that FlyWho
seem to have been.
Your defence of the company is
somewhat strange considering it
never even had an aircraft.
I'm sure all the people who were
given a position with this joke of
an airline are good people but just
a little brainwashed now that it has
bitten the dust.
Have a good new year FlyWho free!!
MM
Can you two put it to bed now its
becomming quite sad that you cant
let it go!
I have every sympathy for all the
people who might have 'purchased'
a ticket for this no-go airline and
have had to see their plans
scuppered by the ill formulated and
dis-organised group that FlyWho
seem to have been.
Your defence of the company is
somewhat strange considering it
never even had an aircraft.
I'm sure all the people who were
given a position with this joke of
an airline are good people but just
a little brainwashed now that it has
bitten the dust.
Have a good new year FlyWho free!!
MM
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Have you TOTALLY lost the point here - I am THE one who has tried to put it to rest - What part of my reply did you not read !!!!... I was there mate, from the start you were not nor by the sounds of it had any part in the FW venture "thank god" - how can you comment .
I find your post rude and surprise, again, negative and very patronising like most on here - Im a grown man I dont need brainwashing - repeated again I took a risk never paid off - I got over it !! ( I chose to post on here today as no one knows what happended you all speculate, I was there from day 1 to the day we were let go ).
I have moved on so have the other 18 crew .
My point was that eveyone else needs to do the same - I was highlighting that fact....
Request to MOD close the thread MOD please ! lol lol pleeeaaassseeeee.
I find your post rude and surprise, again, negative and very patronising like most on here - Im a grown man I dont need brainwashing - repeated again I took a risk never paid off - I got over it !! ( I chose to post on here today as no one knows what happended you all speculate, I was there from day 1 to the day we were let go ).
I have moved on so have the other 18 crew .
My point was that eveyone else needs to do the same - I was highlighting that fact....
Request to MOD close the thread MOD please ! lol lol pleeeaaassseeeee.
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Why don't you just read back through your posts on this subject. Were you right or were the majority of the other posters right?
My own interest has not been about the well being of the people who joined them as 'crew' for a few weeks. They should really have known better, researched better or even guessed a bit better.
My concern has been for those people who were encouraged to sign up for flight tickets. Surprisingly there are quite a few still with bits of paper showing discounts on future tickets and issued against previous aborted attempts to launch.
The failure of this organisation had nothing to do with bad luck. However this reply gives you another opportunity to put it to rest again.
Why don't you just read back through your posts on this subject. Were you right or were the majority of the other posters right?
My own interest has not been about the well being of the people who joined them as 'crew' for a few weeks. They should really have known better, researched better or even guessed a bit better.
My concern has been for those people who were encouraged to sign up for flight tickets. Surprisingly there are quite a few still with bits of paper showing discounts on future tickets and issued against previous aborted attempts to launch.
The failure of this organisation had nothing to do with bad luck. However this reply gives you another opportunity to put it to rest again.
