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Full aircraft a success?
Might be or might not be. I suspect that GSM want their first flights to be full almost regardless of whether they make a profit or not ( I assume that they will). What a great way to start for everyone in the company...nice full flights..airport staff are happy, crew are happy, hopefully the passengers will be happy too! They will also be making money off ancillaries. A good start I would say. Cranking up the yields is for when you've developed a route. Volume is the key at start-up. Prove you have a market to develop.
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Loadsa money
no offense taken...
but consider this... say out of an aircraft with 220 seats... is it better to sell
1. 220 seats for £400? or
2. charge more and sell 200 seats for £450?
plus you dont send customers away to your competitors... you do the maths and let me know...
whatever revenue you achieve on a full flight, the message is you could have charged more and not sell out.
but consider this... say out of an aircraft with 220 seats... is it better to sell
1. 220 seats for £400? or
2. charge more and sell 200 seats for £450?
plus you dont send customers away to your competitors... you do the maths and let me know...
whatever revenue you achieve on a full flight, the message is you could have charged more and not sell out.
£450 x 2 x 220 = £180,000
£400 x 2 x 220 = £176,000
Are you seriously going to quibble over £4,000? when you are looking at that kind of money for ONE return journey
If I was TD I would be buying an extra large Turkey for the family this year
As for the competitors - you tell me who else fly's that route and let us know the manifest results and THEN we will do the maths, dont you at least agree with that
I don't see the point calculating sums when you have no comparitive figures
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Two questions
1. Are GSm due to start the MAN - Capetown tomorrow? Have not seen the 767.
2. On one thread recently someone posted a CAA repost showing load factors..no. of pax flown etc...it had GSm at 87% load factor....anyone know where I can find this link cos can't see it here anymore?
1. Are GSm due to start the MAN - Capetown tomorrow? Have not seen the 767.
2. On one thread recently someone posted a CAA repost showing load factors..no. of pax flown etc...it had GSm at 87% load factor....anyone know where I can find this link cos can't see it here anymore?
breagh01 -
I'm glad you're not in my business.
No operator can afford to ignore the 'odd four grand' on every rotation. Have you seen the margins airlines make (the ones that are profitable...)?
'Coffee', 'smell', and 'wake up' spring to mind.
I'm glad you're not in my business.
No operator can afford to ignore the 'odd four grand' on every rotation. Have you seen the margins airlines make (the ones that are profitable...)?
'Coffee', 'smell', and 'wake up' spring to mind.
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the second 767-300 arrived from AUK via SFB this morning at 3.25am
they had to use a 737-800W on the Manchester to Toronto route yesterday via Iceland
I dont know whether the latest 767 has still to go for certification first before it can be used for routes out of the U.K.
they had to use a 737-800W on the Manchester to Toronto route yesterday via Iceland
I dont know whether the latest 767 has still to go for certification first before it can be used for routes out of the U.K.
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Zoom and GSM
Have heard talk (and i stress rumour!) that GSM and Zoom are forming a closer partnership for a bigger UK operation.
Anyone heard anything or know of anything going on?
Anyone heard anything or know of anything going on?
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Wouldn't want to be in your business !
oh and i drink plenty of coffee thank you.
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£4000 x 365 days a year is a lot of money, also selling anciliaries on aircraft is a major factor in a succesful loco model therefore the higher loads will generate extra onboard profits.
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Load Factors and pax figures
To Alosaurus
Here's the link you were looking for .
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airline_data/200605/04_1_All_Sc heduled_Services_Table.pdf
Here's the link you were looking for .
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airline_data/200605/04_1_All_Sc heduled_Services_Table.pdf
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YYZ Flight did go on 737-8, and via iceland, pax were not to pleased.
Zoom did book pax on this flight.
CPT, Business was full, Prem 1 seat, Cattle 1 seat.
GSM 763-PT oped this flight and should be doing all YYZ and CPT flights from now on.
Zoom did book pax on this flight.
CPT, Business was full, Prem 1 seat, Cattle 1 seat.
GSM 763-PT oped this flight and should be doing all YYZ and CPT flights from now on.
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It's not too bad for a first CPT - MAN flight. You can expect that these flights will be used very approximately by 20% South African and 80% UK based travellers, just like Air Transat and Thomas Cook to and from Vancouver/Calgary etc....(only with 20% Canadians as opposed to South Africans on board!)