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BA franchise airlines / subsidiaries
Former BA franchise airlines / subsidiaries:
Air Liberte
CityFlyer Express
Base Airlines
Deutsche BA
National Jets Italia
Maersk Air UK
Brymon
British Regional Airlines Limited
Manx Airlines
British Mediterranean
Current BA franchise airlines:
Comair
GB Airways
Loganair
Sun Air of Scandinavia
Ten down, four to go.
p.s. This doesn't include British Airways Regional (BAR) or Go
Air Liberte
CityFlyer Express
Base Airlines
Deutsche BA
National Jets Italia
Maersk Air UK
Brymon
British Regional Airlines Limited
Manx Airlines
British Mediterranean
Current BA franchise airlines:
Comair
GB Airways
Loganair
Sun Air of Scandinavia
Ten down, four to go.
p.s. This doesn't include British Airways Regional (BAR) or Go
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well bmi can't afford to paint all of their existing fleet in their 'new' colours so I wonder whether they will with the bmed a/c? granted they can't keep them flying in BA colours.
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BMED have 08 Aircraft so say even that they have 07 slot pairs at Heathrow per day and the going rate for slots when Qantas bought some a few years back was 05 million someone in BMI has got themselves a bargain.
At the going rate of £5 Million a slot then the slots alone could be worth £70 million, and BMI paid £30 million for the whole lot!!!!
At the going rate of £5 Million a slot then the slots alone could be worth £70 million, and BMI paid £30 million for the whole lot!!!!
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bmi can afford to repaint aircraft and is doing so when each aircraft goes in for scheduled heavy maintenance, however some aircraft are earmarked for disposal, so why bother?
norman
The airline really operates as a slot owning entity. Unfortunately, you need to run an airline to qualify for ownership, otherwise you lose them. bmi will operate empty if necessary to protect them. The airline business is a necessary evil and I long gave up worrying about the way it is run. Someone has done the maths and is quite satisfied with the way it muddles along...
bmi can afford to repaint aircraft and is doing so when each aircraft goes in for scheduled heavy maintenance, however some aircraft are earmarked for disposal, so why bother?
norman
The airline really operates as a slot owning entity. Unfortunately, you need to run an airline to qualify for ownership, otherwise you lose them. bmi will operate empty if necessary to protect them. The airline business is a necessary evil and I long gave up worrying about the way it is run. Someone has done the maths and is quite satisfied with the way it muddles along...
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Is it not bmi's way to keep each company as a seperate entity, bmi, bmi baby, bmi regional. Each having its own management, recruitment, handlers etc.. However as BMed have the same fleet as mainline share engineering etc.. thus getting round the problem of integrating the work force from middle management down.
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'The BMED and BMI's crew will be integrated by the end of summer. BMED eventually will not exist. That's the whole point of the buy-out'
I agree that BMED will not exist, but my point is how Bishop will use his new company. Will it be kept as a seperate entity with its own AOC post holders ? (Like Baby and Regional) He can then control costs in the new airline, wont have the hassel of intergrating work force.
I agree that BMED will not exist, but my point is how Bishop will use his new company. Will it be kept as a seperate entity with its own AOC post holders ? (Like Baby and Regional) He can then control costs in the new airline, wont have the hassel of intergrating work force.
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Quoted
"I'm afraid the good days of Hetherington and Rowley(both great guys) have well and truely gone.
I wish everyone well for the future,your a great bunch."
Indeed, second that, and add Parry, Seed and the original team whose sweat capital created the airline and the investor relationship.
"I'm afraid the good days of Hetherington and Rowley(both great guys) have well and truely gone.
I wish everyone well for the future,your a great bunch."
Indeed, second that, and add Parry, Seed and the original team whose sweat capital created the airline and the investor relationship.
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It's not just the slots.........
It's the route licences as well that BMED own. E.G. Azerbaijan allows 7 uk flights per week and BMED have the lot so even if BA wanted to fly the route out of LHR, they can't, because there is no extra capacity.
Whether pax would continue to use us after we lose the BA flag is another matter entirely........... but under the banner of the Star Alliance and you guys, I would remain optimistic
A significant part of our business is picking up transatlantic pax at LHR and taking them to their final destination, hence BA's interest in us to get a chunk of their entire journey and not just the bit across the pond. Again, hopefully the Star Alliance can continue to let that happen.......... And maybe even BA would continue to code share to allow them to keep whatever part of the journey they can?
A330's on our longer routes would be not only great for us, but more importantly, for our passengers..... It's the one feedback point that comes back time and time again....... Our business passengers pay shed loads for their tickets and they just hate the single aisle..... And we'll be able to get all the bags in! Nothing pisses the customer off more than to arrive without their bags after a day and a half of travelling.....
Is your baggage handling any better than BAA/BA at LHR?
The service at LHR is appalling
I'm sure that in any other sphere of business, BA/BAA' ground running of LHR would/should have seen them bankrupt. It has been another nail in BMED's coffin recently, BA continuing to take our money for such appalling service and do cock all about it.
In terms of crew mergers into seniority lists...... you can make up your own scenario there.
Undoubtedly there will be winners and losers; there always are.
However, I think there maybe some bright points for you guys to consider;
1. A lot of more mature guys joined BMED (myself included) because of the prospect of a quick command. (1-2 years). We expanded at 1 a/c a year over the last few years creating lots of opportunities. Now that has stopped, I'm convinced that a lot of those who got stuck on the wrong side of the fence may well re-evaluate their postion. A lot travel a fair distance for our pseudo-long haul lifestyle and if that prospect has gone then they may well look more closely at lifestyle/geographic issues and choose to leave. They could, for instance, be happy to transfer to a BMI regional base, creating opportunities for those in BMI curious to try something just a little different!
2. A lot of our younger guys may well decide that they should look again at BA/Virgin/Emirates/Cathay etc.
3. We have a significant number of BA retirees who came at 55, some on embarrasing amounts of pension....... they may well decide that this is one change to many and get on their gold plated bikes
..... and make more opportunities..........
In all, I think there is a lot to be positive about on both sides of the fence!
Finally, if I may, a couple of questions;
I read elsewhere that BMI has a surplus of Captains. Fact or fiction? If so, why so?
As a naive BALPA member, I thought they published industry wide pay scales
Am I blind or does anybody know where they are? I've suddenly got very curious
Whether pax would continue to use us after we lose the BA flag is another matter entirely........... but under the banner of the Star Alliance and you guys, I would remain optimistic
A significant part of our business is picking up transatlantic pax at LHR and taking them to their final destination, hence BA's interest in us to get a chunk of their entire journey and not just the bit across the pond. Again, hopefully the Star Alliance can continue to let that happen.......... And maybe even BA would continue to code share to allow them to keep whatever part of the journey they can?
A330's on our longer routes would be not only great for us, but more importantly, for our passengers..... It's the one feedback point that comes back time and time again....... Our business passengers pay shed loads for their tickets and they just hate the single aisle..... And we'll be able to get all the bags in! Nothing pisses the customer off more than to arrive without their bags after a day and a half of travelling.....
Is your baggage handling any better than BAA/BA at LHR?
The service at LHR is appalling
I'm sure that in any other sphere of business, BA/BAA' ground running of LHR would/should have seen them bankrupt. It has been another nail in BMED's coffin recently, BA continuing to take our money for such appalling service and do cock all about it.In terms of crew mergers into seniority lists...... you can make up your own scenario there.
Undoubtedly there will be winners and losers; there always are.
However, I think there maybe some bright points for you guys to consider;
1. A lot of more mature guys joined BMED (myself included) because of the prospect of a quick command. (1-2 years). We expanded at 1 a/c a year over the last few years creating lots of opportunities. Now that has stopped, I'm convinced that a lot of those who got stuck on the wrong side of the fence may well re-evaluate their postion. A lot travel a fair distance for our pseudo-long haul lifestyle and if that prospect has gone then they may well look more closely at lifestyle/geographic issues and choose to leave. They could, for instance, be happy to transfer to a BMI regional base, creating opportunities for those in BMI curious to try something just a little different!
2. A lot of our younger guys may well decide that they should look again at BA/Virgin/Emirates/Cathay etc.
3. We have a significant number of BA retirees who came at 55, some on embarrasing amounts of pension....... they may well decide that this is one change to many and get on their gold plated bikes
..... and make more opportunities..........In all, I think there is a lot to be positive about on both sides of the fence!
Finally, if I may, a couple of questions;
I read elsewhere that BMI has a surplus of Captains. Fact or fiction? If so, why so?
As a naive BALPA member, I thought they published industry wide pay scales
Am I blind or does anybody know where they are? I've suddenly got very curious
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Just wondered - aren't a lot of the BMED routes actually BA routes which BMED operates on behalf of, and not merely a fancise operator?
I'm thinking of Tehran, Baku, Amman...... all these until a few years ago were BA main routes operated by B777. Who actuallu 'owns' the route licences?
Maybe BA will take them back and operate themselves again?
I'm thinking of Tehran, Baku, Amman...... all these until a few years ago were BA main routes operated by B777. Who actuallu 'owns' the route licences?
Maybe BA will take them back and operate themselves again?
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Tehran, Baku, Amman...... all these until a few years ago were BA main routes operated by B777 .... maybe BA will take them back and operate themselves again?
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My understanding is that....
BMED has all the route licences and that is what the BMI board found attractive...... not just the slots.........
That said, no matter what you think of BA, they do have world wide customer appeal.
e.g. Wealthy Iranians preferred, in large numbers, to pay to fly business class on a 321 rather than the state owned 747...... and not just for the beer....... I just hope that the Star Alliance will have the same clout.
We got the gig with these routes because BA couldn't make a profit on them. With some of their archaic union agreements for allowances, I don't think they could today either.
That said, no matter what you think of BA, they do have world wide customer appeal.
e.g. Wealthy Iranians preferred, in large numbers, to pay to fly business class on a 321 rather than the state owned 747...... and not just for the beer....... I just hope that the Star Alliance will have the same clout.
We got the gig with these routes because BA couldn't make a profit on them. With some of their archaic union agreements for allowances, I don't think they could today either.
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No offence taken....
Just curious, I thought you may have some insider knowledge to bring to the fore!
Methinks you may have been a tad spoilt with your flights
Come and join us and see the real world
Methinks you may have been a tad spoilt with your flights
Come and join us and see the real world
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Well done on bmi for getting a great deal. Good luck for all the guys at BMED with there new owners. Think this will work fairly well if bmi keep most of the routes which im sure thet will, plus with connections coming in from the States and Canada connecting on with a Star Alliance carrier to many of the oil areas of central asia im sure this will work.
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Hi to all
Just wanted to post A hello to all of the BMED guys and girls out there.
Can't wait to get to dispatch to all of these cool places.
beats doing a leeds or manchester.
Can't wait to get to dispatch to all of these cool places.
beats doing a leeds or manchester.
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the dispatchers job is certainly an interesting one with us, lots of deportees and the like. You will also get lots and lots of assistance requests and wheelchair passengers. You will see what i mean when we start working together!
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The one bright point............
About the piss poor availability of Hi-Lifts at LHR is that when told that they face a wait of one hour or more, some of our "frail" pax undergo miraculous recoveries of Biblical proportions.........
Often making off like Linford Christie up the airbridge...........
Often making off like Linford Christie up the airbridge...........