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Had to shoot off elsewhere quickly after my previous post and have since picked up another great Cork Airport rumor with regard to the Munster rugby match operations. The latest going around is that Monarch want to overnight two A300s at Cork on the Friday night before the game! If this turns out to be the case and is agreed to runway 25/07 will just have to be commissioned as temporary overnight parking? 
What next!?
What next!?
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What ya on about there Tom??
How did she handle yesterday? Forgot to check, but I think there was a fair few charter flights over to the red warriors testamonial game? Would have been an interesting warm up for the airport for the Munster game with a few extra a/c floating around.
How did she handle yesterday? Forgot to check, but I think there was a fair few charter flights over to the red warriors testamonial game? Would have been an interesting warm up for the airport for the Munster game with a few extra a/c floating around.
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Late Thursday evening was a bad one for Cork Airport due to the sea fog and RVRs of around 200 metres making CATII approaches below minima. Diversions followed with an Eirjet, two Aer Aranns and the three Aer Lingus Airbus A320s all ending up at Shannon. Cork bound passengers are once again on the receiving end of the airport's miserly regard for them by the lack of provision of a CATIII landing system in spite of our airport having such a poor overall weather record. It just beats me that Cork Airport passengers continue to let themselves be treated as second class at their own airport! Have the new airport management any interest at all in wanting to do a good job in which they can have any pride?
By all accounts the airport has agreed to two widebodies being allowed in at the one time next week for the Munster rugby match. One travel operator is advertising a day trip to Bristol for the game departing Cork at 0610 on the Saturday morning and it now appears almost certain that the Corse Air Boeing 747 will operate to Birmingham rather than to Cardiff.
One other item of significant news is that Ryanair are raising the stakes again at Cork by adding a third daily winter flight to Gatwick. The first departure to Gatwick will now be at 0620 hours and the early Dublin rotation appears to be gone. Looks like an opportunity there for Aer Arann to introduce another Dublin flight? The Gatwick development shows how eager Ryanair are to see off the competition from easyJet - for Cork's sake I hope easyJet stick it out at the airport!
By all accounts the airport has agreed to two widebodies being allowed in at the one time next week for the Munster rugby match. One travel operator is advertising a day trip to Bristol for the game departing Cork at 0610 on the Saturday morning and it now appears almost certain that the Corse Air Boeing 747 will operate to Birmingham rather than to Cardiff.
One other item of significant news is that Ryanair are raising the stakes again at Cork by adding a third daily winter flight to Gatwick. The first departure to Gatwick will now be at 0620 hours and the early Dublin rotation appears to be gone. Looks like an opportunity there for Aer Arann to introduce another Dublin flight? The Gatwick development shows how eager Ryanair are to see off the competition from easyJet - for Cork's sake I hope easyJet stick it out at the airport!
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I was on the Fr9855 from Gatiwck last nite Tom. Did say it to my friend whom I was traveling with "I wonder what the fog situation is like at ORK"..... on final approach over the northside I was looking oout the window trying to spot any city lights etc etc.... got some shock when we hit the runway as I didn't see a single light....must ave been about 10.15pm and the apron was deserted... did think it unusual but I was well loaded I thought I did well o actually get on board 
Inside there was an announcement that "eirjet flight blah from blah has been diverted to Shannon due to technical difficulties" I immediately thought "ah, crew have ran up their hours and had to go direct to shannon to avoid getting grounded in ORK"........... now it makes sense, they couldn;t say "has diverted to to being unable to land due to Fog" as a plane load off a 738 walked in past them
Inside there was an announcement that "eirjet flight blah from blah has been diverted to Shannon due to technical difficulties" I immediately thought "ah, crew have ran up their hours and had to go direct to shannon to avoid getting grounded in ORK"........... now it makes sense, they couldn;t say "has diverted to to being unable to land due to Fog" as a plane load off a 738 walked in past them
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I was pax on the EI flight from BCN... similar experience to eoinok.. wondering where the hell the northside had gone!
We did a 'go-around' (if that's the technical term).. ie the captain aborted the landing at (in my inexpert opinion!) a late stage in the approach.. my first time experiencing such dramatics!
30 minutes then holding over Cork waiting for a break in the fog before abandoning hope and making for SNN...
The contingency plans weren't exactly impressive.. pretty chaotic scenes up in Clare.. a coach arrived and people just hopped on randomly?? Surely this happens relatively frequently..
Our flight was on course to land at 2215 also.. interesting that the FR flight made it in but the rest didn't! I made it to bed by 3am in the end.. somewhat bemused by the whole experience!
We did a 'go-around' (if that's the technical term).. ie the captain aborted the landing at (in my inexpert opinion!) a late stage in the approach.. my first time experiencing such dramatics!
30 minutes then holding over Cork waiting for a break in the fog before abandoning hope and making for SNN...
The contingency plans weren't exactly impressive.. pretty chaotic scenes up in Clare.. a coach arrived and people just hopped on randomly?? Surely this happens relatively frequently..
Our flight was on course to land at 2215 also.. interesting that the FR flight made it in but the rest didn't! I made it to bed by 3am in the end.. somewhat bemused by the whole experience!
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Tom,
I know for certain at least one of those diversions was more to do with the Centreline lighting just beyond the TDZ failing with the resultant increase in Minima. Not a good night indeed......
I know for certain at least one of those diversions was more to do with the Centreline lighting just beyond the TDZ failing with the resultant increase in Minima. Not a good night indeed......
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Following on from RyanAir adding the 3rd ORK-LGW flight for the winter. Its interesting and pleasing to see that they don't seem to be frightening off EasyJet at this stage. On looking thru EZY timetables, the 3rd flight has been re-instated for the summer (they had previously reduced to 2 for the summer). Summer flights are now 3 daily Mon-Fri, 1 on Sat, and 2 on Sun.
Their Winter schedule has also been loaded (although not yet bookable). For the winter they look like operating 3 daily Tue-Fri (No monday flight), 2 on Sat & Sun.
From Shannon & Knock, both are 1 daily for the summer, and 1 daily (Except Monday) for the winter.
Their Winter schedule has also been loaded (although not yet bookable). For the winter they look like operating 3 daily Tue-Fri (No monday flight), 2 on Sat & Sun.
From Shannon & Knock, both are 1 daily for the summer, and 1 daily (Except Monday) for the winter.
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The reduction in EZY flights from 3 to 2 flights per day is from late July to early September.
Unusual to see an airline cutting back for the busiest 6 weeks of the year.
Surely the lack of a Monday flight is some sort of an oversight as it would make no sense to have 3 flts from Tuesday to Friday and none on Monday.
Expect a massive fares war on this route for the 2nd Winter in succession although the early Ryanair departues is a big plus factor for them.
It could even take some of the business from Aerlingus whose 0730 departure usually experiences holding delays over OCKHAM and seldom gets in before 0845
Unusual to see an airline cutting back for the busiest 6 weeks of the year.
Surely the lack of a Monday flight is some sort of an oversight as it would make no sense to have 3 flts from Tuesday to Friday and none on Monday.
Expect a massive fares war on this route for the 2nd Winter in succession although the early Ryanair departues is a big plus factor for them.
It could even take some of the business from Aerlingus whose 0730 departure usually experiences holding delays over OCKHAM and seldom gets in before 0845
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Tom the T....your frustration with lack of Cat III at Cork hits us all. Cork will never have this facility as long as the current undulating terrain and hump on the 17 threshold remain which negates the ability to do an auto land as aircraft flare too early in autoland mode so we must disconnect @ 80ft latest. This leaves us with the only option of doing Cat II which is not ideal disconnecting automatics at such a late stage. Hence the minimums of 122 ?Rad Alt DH and 300m/ 125/125m rvr requirements. If you had Cat IIIA we would get 50RA 75/75/75M RVR. Thats a hell of difference and would make all this crap of diversions extinct. I am loathe to take swipes at EICK but from a drivers point of view it is a nightmare in low vis conditions.
Have they ever thought of putting in a Cat 3 on rwy 35? We'd have to put up with the tailwinds but we'd get in?
Have they ever thought of putting in a Cat 3 on rwy 35? We'd have to put up with the tailwinds but we'd get in?
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Cork's Owner i.e The Dublin Airport Authority and the IAA will only move on CAT III when airlines put them under pressure on the subject. They can live with criticism from local politicians and disgruntled passengers.
I'm not sure if Ryanair or Aerlingus have made representations to them but it would help if they did.
I'm not sure if Ryanair or Aerlingus have made representations to them but it would help if they did.
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I can add my name to the list of affected passengers having finally got home around 1:30 last night. As a small consolation, there were still passengers waiting to come in from Alicante and Edinburgh at that point.
Yesterday played havoc with Aer Lingus' schedule with many flights having 5 hour delays, an aircraft being brought down from Dublin to operate the Paris flight and attempt to clear some of the delays, not to mention all the aircraft that had to position down from Shannon in the morning. With the fourth airbus being added soon, it might encourage them to put some pressure on CAA/DAA.
I would imagine that Ryanair can tolerate the situation as they only have one based aircraft and are more willing to cancel flights (Was yesterday morning's Stansted flight cancelled?). The other airline that took a big hit yesterday was Aer Arann. They possibly don't have the same level of pull, but could play a role in reinforcing pressure from other sources.
Yesterday played havoc with Aer Lingus' schedule with many flights having 5 hour delays, an aircraft being brought down from Dublin to operate the Paris flight and attempt to clear some of the delays, not to mention all the aircraft that had to position down from Shannon in the morning. With the fourth airbus being added soon, it might encourage them to put some pressure on CAA/DAA.
I would imagine that Ryanair can tolerate the situation as they only have one based aircraft and are more willing to cancel flights (Was yesterday morning's Stansted flight cancelled?). The other airline that took a big hit yesterday was Aer Arann. They possibly don't have the same level of pull, but could play a role in reinforcing pressure from other sources.
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840...the only way that Cat3 will ever be installed on the main ldg rwy being 17 is a major and I mean major reconstruction of the threshold area of 17. This will mean rwy closure and rwy 25/07 is not an option for a320/737 operations except in howling winds on the nose.
In conclusion, forget Cat 3, its pie in the sky and will remain so for the forseeable future. You will remain discommoded on foggy days. thats the plain reality of it.
In conclusion, forget Cat 3, its pie in the sky and will remain so for the forseeable future. You will remain discommoded on foggy days. thats the plain reality of it.
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[QUOTE=ryan2000]The reduction in EZY flights from 3 to 2 flights per day is from late July to early September.
All three daily flights are bookable until 30 September 2006, so it does appear that the third has been fully re-instated.
All three daily flights are bookable until 30 September 2006, so it does appear that the third has been fully re-instated.
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If you try booking during from late July to early September only the morning and afternoon flights are bookable.
The three flights are then re-instated for the rest of September. Will someone tell Easyjet that the six week period is extremely busy on Cork London. I cannot imagine why any airline would redcuce frequency for that time of the year.
Maybe its an oversight on someones part.
The three flights are then re-instated for the rest of September. Will someone tell Easyjet that the six week period is extremely busy on Cork London. I cannot imagine why any airline would redcuce frequency for that time of the year.
Maybe its an oversight on someones part.
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Wasn't it former transport minister Jim Mitchell who infamously described Knock as a 'foggy boggy airport' or something to that effect. It seems like the description would be more apt for ORK. Bearcat is right...if the sun ain't shining, expect a long bus ride back from our friendly airport down the road at SNN! In Ireland, in order to go from A to B, you usually have to take the scenic route and take in C as well. 
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Just wondering, how come why it is that shannon has so much political support, surely there are far more seats and voters in the Cork area to pacify? I dont get it.
As Im here any news on extra routes from EI for the winter, or is it pretty much the same,except for daily BHX(well maybe second UK destination) and 2x weekly TFS?
As Im here any news on extra routes from EI for the winter, or is it pretty much the same,except for daily BHX(well maybe second UK destination) and 2x weekly TFS?