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Old 23rd Mar 2006, 13:44
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you have to start somewhere. I wonder if EU govts/orgs will be forbid hire of/travel on these airlines even outside EU airspace. That might help push the point home in some cases.
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Old 23rd Mar 2006, 13:54
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I agree with your point that they, (the EU), have to start somewhere, I just wish that the powers that be would look at what is occurring right under their noses, right now.
Anyway, I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies, and the fact that, as you say, we have a starting point with at least something to build on.

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Old 23rd Mar 2006, 19:03
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This is a very good thing.
I personally witnessed the B/S with North East Airlines, registered in Swaisiland attempting to operate out of KSA.
I was furloughed from a ACMI carrier at the time.
They claim now that someone hijacked the AOC and this was not them.
More lies and deciet.
Still have the ID card and paperwork.
Never was paid as many others either.
Good on the EU.
Time for these people to hit the road.
A good company will never ask you to lie about records proficency or anything.
When we allow these things to happen we lower ourselves to another industry standard.
Before long we have no standards at all.
Then we complain as to why they are cutting our salaries.
Its our own fault, good on them for looking into the operating standards of these companies.
From what I have seen some low time guys will accept things such as this, just to get the foot in the door.
Time for this to stop.
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Old 24th Mar 2006, 09:25
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What's wrong with Iceland?

Dear Freeway,

What's wrong with Icelandic airlines? I have flown Icelandair previously and it seemed fine to me. There is an Icelandic company flying from Hahn to Reykjavik which I was thinking of using.
Should I think again?
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Old 24th Mar 2006, 16:17
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No Icelandair is fine. It's the flag of convenience charter operators that I was really referring to.

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Old 3rd Apr 2006, 15:24
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Air Universal

The Sierra Leone Air Universal, (banned airline) is applying for a Cypriot AOC and become an EU Airline.
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Old 3rd Apr 2006, 15:27
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A loophole in the rules so that others banned can follow
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Old 3rd Apr 2006, 16:21
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Air Universal is based out of Jordan. They moved from the Sierra Leone register quite a long time ago. There used to be a captain who flew L-1011's for them on this forum as well.
 
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Perhaps this has something to do with a previous post on PPRuNe.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ghlight=cyprus
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Old 3rd Apr 2006, 18:54
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Air Universal is based out of Jordan. They moved from the Sierra Leone register quite a long time ago
It is not where the aircraft is registered that is important in this case, it is which state issued the AOC. It is clear from the recitals to the Regulation establishing the blacklist that Air Universal still operated under a Sierra Leone AOC and that this was inappropriate considering that they were based in Jordan. In particular see recital no. 78 which states "While the Air Operator’s Certificate of Air Universal Ltd was issued by Sierra Leone, evidence shows that the airline has currently its principal place of business in Jordan, contrary to the requirements of Annex 6 to the Chicago Convention."
A loophole in the rules so that others banned can follow
I don't think so. A whole new set of rules will apply and while the name is retained it will be a very diffent company. They will have to be majority owned and controlled by EC nationals to get an operating licence and will have to meet JAR-OPS standards to get an AOC. In this way the objective of the Regulation will have been achieved.
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