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Old 30th Jan 2006, 14:35
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Big BA Boeing Order

Rumours are rife at work that we've already placed a large order with Boeing for about 60 aircraft, mix of 777 and 787's plus options. Looks like a -400 replacements. They had to order the aircraft before their slots were bought up by other carriers..

But the company are keeping quiet because they want to use our pensions to pay for em. Or am I just being cynical!
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 14:50
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They're going to pay my pension first, or else!!

I’ll take on the opposition anyday. It’s my management I can’t beat!
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this again?

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207935

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This is interesting because I was chatting to an EK Captain who told me downroute that BA had put in a big order for 773's and it was done on the basis of Boeing keeping quiet because of the pension issue. I laughed it off at the time as he mentioned the pension debacle, but perhaps the joke was on me after all.

Pension first, 773's later
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Question

Is the pension not protected by Law in the U.K. ?
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BA should start supporting a European business and European jobs and switch to Airbus aircraft.

The 787 orders should have been A350.
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Typical socialist propaganda. An airline that has to compete worldwide should buy planes that don't necessarily fit into what is needed or what is the best deal. Maybe if manufactures have to compete then better products will be built because they have to fight for it.That's called capitalism. Please don't start listing other cases. They are because there are many other economically short sighted people like you. Remember the eastern European method of aircraft aquisition.
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Dollond
BA should start supporting a European business and European jobs and switch to Airbus aircraft.
The 787 orders should have been A350.
I'm sure that their competition also wishes that.
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Originally Posted by punkalouver
Typical socialist propaganda. An airline that has to compete worldwide should buy planes that don't necessarily fit into what is needed or what is the best deal. Maybe if manufactures have to compete then better products will be built because they have to fight for it.That's called capitalism. Please don't start listing other cases. They are because there are many other economically short sighted people like you. Remember the eastern European method of aircraft aquisition.
My point is BA seem to have an aversion to Airbus. You can't say Airbus don't produce as good, if not better planes than Boeing. Airbus haven't been outselling Boeing these last few years for nothing - that's capitalism.

Time will tell if BA do actually judge aircraft types on merit, or whether the company executives get nice kick-backs from Mr. Boeing. Will BA take the only logical step and order some A380s?
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Originally Posted by Dollond
My point is BA seem to have an aversion to Airbus. You can't say Airbus don't produce as good, if not better planes than Boeing. Airbus haven't been outselling Boeing these last few years for nothing - that's capitalism.
Time will tell if BA do actually judge aircraft types on merit, or whether the company executives get nice kick-backs from Mr. Boeing. Will BA take the only logical step and order some A380s?
I don't understand how one can say BA is anti-Airbus. That very large number of new A319s/A320s/A321s must be a mirage. It makes sound commercial sense for the airline to have a foot in both camps. It seems clear to me that BA are going Airbus for Europe/UK and Boeing for long haul.
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Originally Posted by Dollond
My point is BA seem to have an aversion to Airbus.
Hmmm. I wouldnt call 75 ish Airbus 319/320/321 and more on option an aversion.

But back to the thread.

Walk away from my pension (deferred pay) and you wont have any pilots to fly your shiny new 777-300s.

BAs has a whole department full of Alistair Campbells SPINNING the PR out on this one.
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 22:18
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Makes sense, at least when the Airbus goes tech it isn't far from home....
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 22:26
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BA inherited it's original A320s from British Caledonian. Extra orders have been made to logically supplement these. BA have never made a break for it and supported a new Airbus concept.
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 22:32
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dollond,

are you sure your location is planet earth ??

Why don't BA replace their old 757's with new TU 204's ?

The 204's have the same RB211's, and it looks the same.

Come to think of it, why don't we get rid of those RB211's as well and go for the PS90's. That would keep engineering happy as they would spend more time off the wing than on it.

But hey, their cheap, what other reason does one need ?
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Dollond
BA inherited it's original A320s from British Caledonian. Extra orders have been made to logically supplement these. BA have never made a break for it and supported a new Airbus concept.
They did indeed inherit 10 early A320s from the British Caledonian order. But I hardly think a further 60 or so A319s/A320s/A321s is not support for Airbus.
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Okay, I concede that BA have a significant fleet of A319/A320/A321.

Notwithstanding that the rest of their long haul fleet is Boeing, BA do seem to deny the fact that Airbus long haul aircraft also have their merits.

Going back to the point I made earlier, BA must surely buy some A380. Once AF and LH A380s are flying around merrily, I hope common sense prevails and BA makes an order.

If you accept the above, surely it would make sense to split this 60 plane order between Boeing and Airbus, and make use of the commonality between the A350 and A380?

Come on, BA pilots, wouldn't you like a shiny new A380?
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 23:15
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Errr...no actually.
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 23:20
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Okay then,

Do you think it inevitable that BA will have to buy A380?
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No. It doesn't suit our current operation.
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Old 30th Jan 2006, 23:52
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Shame. I fear you've backed the wrong horse.

Time will tell.
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