BA's 767 summer expansion

[purr777]

For those that are interested the 767 is a big part of BA's summer longhaul schedules with YYZ, PHL, EWR, LOS being initially added to the aircraft's network. The 767 will be added to further routes to compliment the 777 and 747.

[beaver eager]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Rumours of a new 777 order beginning to leak out too (but we don't know if they're to be replacements or part of an expansion). Whatever... LH makes all the money (apparently) and more of that and less of the other means big profits around the corner, methinks.

But they can't afford to pay our pensions!!????

[whattimedoweland]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Summer 2006 (if the whole airline does'nt strike over the pension farce)!!,and WW stupid comments, there will be a large order for B777(LR),B787 and the B747-800 (launch customer).No Airbus A350/380 etc in mind.

You heard it here first on Pprune .

WTDWL.

[apaddyinuk]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Well at least that will mean us poor A fleeters will get to see a bit more of the states instead of africa...not that I dont like the latter continent!!!!

[MarkD]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

purr

spot on - 777 on the first, 744 on the second and 767 on the third YYZ in June and 2 77s and a 76 in July, time was when the summer program was 3 x 744. Pearson's ridiculous charges don't help I suppose.

Sic transit jumbo india?

[planemad_bk]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

any idea where the BA 767s are going once they're retired from BA service?

[Daede1]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Kq.............

[flyer55]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Rumour around LGW WW doesnt like Boeing so could we be going after A350 or even A380, saying that he may go after 787 / 747, who knows !

[Taildragger67]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Planemad,

Australian, maybe??

That is, if it's still going...

Actually on that point, have the Seven Dwarfs been returned home or are they still with the Rat?

[apaddyinuk]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

At the end of the day the order will go to whoever provides the most cost efficient planes for the cheapest price!!!!

[nickmanl]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

I thought BA's policy was Airbus for shorthaul and Boeing for longhaul?

EI are a bit smaller than BA so it was easier for WW to push through an all Airbus fleet idea, especially when you are posting large losses.

Might not be so easy at BA to push through his preference for Airbus at BA when you have 43 777s and 53 747s to replace and the airline has posted large profits recently.

I expect them to go Boeing. Will it be the 777-300ER?

[whattimedoweland]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Nickmanl,

See my previous post 777(LR),787 and 747-800 (launch customer) .

WTDWL.

[spanishflea]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Can't really see BA being a launch customer for the 748, they have publiclly stated several times that being the guineau pig for new types doesnt fit into offering a high quality product.

Also it was mentioned in various places a few weeks ago the long haul fleet isn't being touched for quite some time, so even if the above fleet combo did come about it wouldnt be until all three types were relatively well proven.

And in that time the entire aviation industry could have changed yet again, not to mention BA's individual fleet requirements.

[whattimedoweland]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

SpanishFlea,

It's not a new a/c type it's a stretch 747-400.No different from the 777-200 to the 777-300.

WTDWL.

[Skipness One Echo]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

The 747-800 is a generational leap, like the 737-400 to the 737-800. It is not just a new version of an old machine.

[spanishflea]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

The same could be said of the Dash 8 Q300 stretched to the Dash 8 Q400. Don't try and tell SAS and FlyBe that there weren't extensive teething troubles with the Q400.

[blackwidow]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

This 767 expansion is being funded by 4x shorthaul 763's being transferred from shorthaul... Which is a shame cause reduced capacity on shorthaul will be a big dent!

[Taildragger67]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Spanish Flea,

I think there were a few teething probs when the 744 kicked off - little probs like incorrect F/D wiring here & there and some fit-out problems (like no IFE on one trip I did ) - because Boeing were trying to punch them out pronto. I think it's fair to say that they'll have learnt that lesson & wouldn't want to give Toulouse any ammo.

As for compatibility... I seem to recall reading some years back (early-777 days) that Boeing's philosophy (at least re flight deck) had become one of standardise the hardware and just make changes to the software - so that a 777 jock could pretty easily (then) get to grips with a 73G and then the 7E7 (now obviously 787). If that's the case (and if anyone can confirm/deny it) then getting jiggy with the 748 surely follows.

[answer=42]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

I have a problem with the idea that Nigel is going to shop for some 747-800s. Remember, Rod the Edd went on record as saying that ideally they would have more 777s and fewer 747s. I suppose that this statement is still true. If so, why should Nigel buy a plane that is only slightly bigger than the good ol’ 744? Where there are slot constraints at peak times, it makes sense to have a considerably bigger plane. Moreover, the 748 will have to have a much cheaper first cost to be competitive in cost per seat with the 380.

So, Nigel will fork out for a large handful of 380s please, plus some more of those tasty 777s and replacement of his 767s with 787s, plus a few more for good measure.

[planemad_bk]

Re: BA's 767 summer expansion

Originally Posted by Taildragger67

Planemad,
Australian, maybe??
That is, if it's still going...
Actually on that point, have the Seven Dwarfs been returned home or are they still with the Rat?

G'day mate,

All seven dwarfs are still here going strong! Caught ZXA on the way back from Brisvegas to Sydney couple of days ago! Nothing beats the roar of those mighty RRs on take off! Absolutely magnificent! Be great if the Qantas Group acquired the ex-BA 76's!!