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To answer the original question, Coventry has started the process of applying for controlled airspace. (See Airport website under Environment and Community). My understanding is that limited resources are being devoted to the project and to most others at the Airport until the result of the public inquiry is known on the Terminal. This decision has taken a hideous amount of time (Over three years from the original application) and already over nine months since the actual inquiry ended. (The proposed Terminal is only a few percent of the floor area of T5, but delay is a rather bigger percentage of the T5 delay)
The attitude taken by badbear and Chilli Monster would hinder any airport without controlled airspace from growing - protecting vested interests, are we? Coventry has plenty of freight and bizjet traffic as well as Thomsonfly which would benefit from some CAS.
The attitude taken by badbear and Chilli Monster would hinder any airport without controlled airspace from growing - protecting vested interests, are we? Coventry has plenty of freight and bizjet traffic as well as Thomsonfly which would benefit from some CAS.
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Buster is right, CAS is for everyone, it just creates a 'known' environment in which everyone can operate in. As it is there are times, in weather etc, that a PA28 cannot be seen on radar as it crosses through the approach. Couple this with reduced inflight visibility and you have a recipe for an incident, this isn't a question of if but when it will happen. So we have a choice, new CAS or stop this kind of operation so a priviliged few can enjoy there hobbies unrestricted. Seems a simple choice to me.
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As it is there are times, in weather etc, that a PA28 cannot be seen on radar as it crosses through the approach. Couple this with reduced inflight visibility and you have a recipe for an incident,
this isn't a question of if but when it will happen. So we have a choice, new CAS or stop this kind of operation so a priviliged few can enjoy there hobbies unrestricted. Seems a simple choice to me.
Those airspace users probably constitute 10 times the number of airspace users relative to the number of CAT movements Coventry has. Coupled with that is the amount of CAS in the area already. Coventry does not, nor will not support the CAT movements that justify the CAS that is being proposed (yes - I've read the whole proposal). In addition, the proposals for the control of VFR traffic alone were so poorly written that SRG would throw them out as being unreasonable, verging on illegal.
And another thought. Current policy is - no radar, no CAS. How do Coventry propose to staff this requirement with the current staff leaving rate?
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Totally agree the radar could do with upgrading but checkout your radar theory, there's a number of reasons an aircraft can disappear on approach.
As a lapsed PPL and an ex-aircraft owner I actually did consider myself priviliged as not everyone could afford to fly. But you are right, it's not just people flying for pleasure out there but having read all the opposition letters to the CAS proposal, it seems that it is not the professional operators (air taxi etc) who have a problem with it.
Your right about movements too, way more transits and smaller aircraft movements than CAT at Coventry but each of those CAT movements has 80 - 100 passengers on board who have just as much right to fly out of Coventry as everyone else, to do it safely too.
The proposal itself is way too grandiose, in my opinion as the CAS requested is bigger than Gatwick!!! This will not get approved but a compromise solution should be that will please most of those affected.
As a lapsed PPL and an ex-aircraft owner I actually did consider myself priviliged as not everyone could afford to fly. But you are right, it's not just people flying for pleasure out there but having read all the opposition letters to the CAS proposal, it seems that it is not the professional operators (air taxi etc) who have a problem with it.
Your right about movements too, way more transits and smaller aircraft movements than CAT at Coventry but each of those CAT movements has 80 - 100 passengers on board who have just as much right to fly out of Coventry as everyone else, to do it safely too.
The proposal itself is way too grandiose, in my opinion as the CAS requested is bigger than Gatwick!!! This will not get approved but a compromise solution should be that will please most of those affected.
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If they want CAS, presumably Coventry ATC will get SSR & that will be beneficial to anybody flying near to Coventry.
On a different point, anybody know how the forward bookings for Wizz are going? It' just under a Month now till they start
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On a different point, anybody know how the forward bookings for Wizz are going? It' just under a Month now till they start
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Fried Chicken, they start in just under 2 months, July 13th.
Given that they only brought the start date forward a month or so ago, I would not anticipate the the loads to be so great on the first few weeks....hopefully the higher lead in prices that they had for the first two weeks or so will not lead to a disastrous yield for these flights
On a plus point, looks as though Wizz might be flying the Katowice route in Winter...can now book through until December 13...Krakow Christmas markets look very appealing, so Wizz shall be receiving my custom in early December
Given that they only brought the start date forward a month or so ago, I would not anticipate the the loads to be so great on the first few weeks....hopefully the higher lead in prices that they had for the first two weeks or so will not lead to a disastrous yield for these flights
On a plus point, looks as though Wizz might be flying the Katowice route in Winter...can now book through until December 13...Krakow Christmas markets look very appealing, so Wizz shall be receiving my custom in early December
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Flew in from ALC on the Titan 737 that TFy are leasing. Very nice plane - ultra plush seats inside.
As an aside - on our outbound leg we were "offered" the chance of a coach trip down to Bournmouth to take a much later flight as they had to change the outbound aircraft to another (smaller) plane - are TUI having lots of tech problems at the moment ?
As an aside - on our outbound leg we were "offered" the chance of a coach trip down to Bournmouth to take a much later flight as they had to change the outbound aircraft to another (smaller) plane - are TUI having lots of tech problems at the moment ?
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TOM
I have seen five TOM incidents mentioned on various forums but I do not
know how long the aircraft needed to be taken out of service in each case and in no particular order:-
1) There was the 757 at Manchester of course (bird-strike)
2) 757 at Newcastle - hit by a ground vehicle
3) G-THOO long tech delay at Newcastle (I think same day as the 757)
4) 767 in Asia (not sure if it was tech just other problems)
5) An aircraft over the Pyrenees en route PMI & diverted to BCN*
* This last one was on another forum with the sensationalist headline
"aircraft flying on 20% power" or something similar.
However someone clarified the incident as an engine problem and their father (a TOM engineer) was flown out to BCN to fix it.
As I say most of these were probably minor although the two 757's I am
sure would not have been fixed overnight.
Just to redress the balance and it is not just TOM, the Titan 737 has operated at least five flights in the last week from BHX for 3 different airlines, CY, WW & EAF.
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know how long the aircraft needed to be taken out of service in each case and in no particular order:-
1) There was the 757 at Manchester of course (bird-strike)
2) 757 at Newcastle - hit by a ground vehicle
3) G-THOO long tech delay at Newcastle (I think same day as the 757)
4) 767 in Asia (not sure if it was tech just other problems)
5) An aircraft over the Pyrenees en route PMI & diverted to BCN*
* This last one was on another forum with the sensationalist headline
"aircraft flying on 20% power" or something similar.
However someone clarified the incident as an engine problem and their father (a TOM engineer) was flown out to BCN to fix it.
As I say most of these were probably minor although the two 757's I am
sure would not have been fixed overnight.
Just to redress the balance and it is not just TOM, the Titan 737 has operated at least five flights in the last week from BHX for 3 different airlines, CY, WW & EAF.
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I believe its been covered before but who owns the land the so-called Railway Museum is on? It does look a bit of an eyesore. Along with all of Atlantic's hulks parked on the grass on the North side, it can't give a very good impression to any visiting airport users that use the North side & the exit/enterance between the Midland Air Museum & the "Railway museum" (I understand most visiting executive aircraft now use this area?)
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The land is owned by the Coventry City Council and leased to the Suburban Electric Railway Association. I understand that the Council have put some pressure on the tenants to tidy up over the last year or so. Some work has been done, some vandalised carriages removed etc but it still isn't great.
I agree that there are far too many dead and dying aircraft lying around Coventry Airport. There are the Emerald ones as well as the Atlantic wrecks.
I agree that there are far too many dead and dying aircraft lying around Coventry Airport. There are the Emerald ones as well as the Atlantic wrecks.
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.I agree that there are far too many dead and dying aircraft lying around Coventry Airport. There are the Emerald ones as well as the Atlantic wrecks
...and quite a few Thompson ones....
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From the Coventry airport website:-
Coventry Airport reduces Fees & Charges by up to 60 percent
Coventry Airport’s new management is demonstrating its commitment to attract new airlines to the West Midlands Airport by reducing the fees and charges levied at the airport’s customers. In some cases the fees have been reduced by more than 60%.
In 2006 Coventry Airport was acquired by CAFCO-C and its technical management team, CIAO (Convergence International Airports Organisation) a British company specialising in the design, construction, management and operation of regional airports and their infrastructure. As part of an extensive forward-thinking development plan for Coventry, the new management has reviewed existing fees and charges and taken the decision to reduce landing fees, PLS (passenger load supplement) and parking charges.
“We are determined to make Coventry Airport as attractive as possible to potential airline and private customers,” said Chris Orphanou, Coventry Airport’s Managing Director. “This is one way we can demonstrate our resolve and our commitment to developing our route network. Wizz Air commences services between Coventry to the Polish city of Katowice in July and we are confident that other airlines will realise the appeal of Coventry and follow suit.”
Landing fees at Coventry Airport have been reduced from £16.30 per metric tonne to £10 per metric tonne - representing a reduction of more than 60%. Originally the landing fees for an 80 tonne aircraft (a B737 for example) would have been £1340. With the reduction in landing fees it would now only cost £800 to land. For a six tonne Cessna Citation the fee has been reduced from £97.80 to £60.
PLS at Coventry - which used to be chargeable on arriving and departing passengers - is now only payable on departing passengers. The fee is now £9.00 for international passengers and £5.50 on domestic departing passengers.
Parking charges have been changed to a flat fee of £25 or £30, rather than per tonne and Coventry Airport has also appointed an additional on-site distributor for AVGAS. Previously only available from Coventry Airport Fuelling, the new contract, based at Coventry Airport North, will provide greater operational efficiency for airport customers.
“These are all very positive messages we are sending to our potential airline customers,” said Chris Orphanou. “We have invested more than £5 million in just 18 months at Coventry and we are looking forward to imminent approval for the construction of a new terminal which will increase the capacity for passenger throughput from 0.98 million to two million passengers per annum.”
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Coventry Airport reduces Fees & Charges by up to 60 percent
Coventry Airport’s new management is demonstrating its commitment to attract new airlines to the West Midlands Airport by reducing the fees and charges levied at the airport’s customers. In some cases the fees have been reduced by more than 60%.
In 2006 Coventry Airport was acquired by CAFCO-C and its technical management team, CIAO (Convergence International Airports Organisation) a British company specialising in the design, construction, management and operation of regional airports and their infrastructure. As part of an extensive forward-thinking development plan for Coventry, the new management has reviewed existing fees and charges and taken the decision to reduce landing fees, PLS (passenger load supplement) and parking charges.
“We are determined to make Coventry Airport as attractive as possible to potential airline and private customers,” said Chris Orphanou, Coventry Airport’s Managing Director. “This is one way we can demonstrate our resolve and our commitment to developing our route network. Wizz Air commences services between Coventry to the Polish city of Katowice in July and we are confident that other airlines will realise the appeal of Coventry and follow suit.”
Landing fees at Coventry Airport have been reduced from £16.30 per metric tonne to £10 per metric tonne - representing a reduction of more than 60%. Originally the landing fees for an 80 tonne aircraft (a B737 for example) would have been £1340. With the reduction in landing fees it would now only cost £800 to land. For a six tonne Cessna Citation the fee has been reduced from £97.80 to £60.
PLS at Coventry - which used to be chargeable on arriving and departing passengers - is now only payable on departing passengers. The fee is now £9.00 for international passengers and £5.50 on domestic departing passengers.
Parking charges have been changed to a flat fee of £25 or £30, rather than per tonne and Coventry Airport has also appointed an additional on-site distributor for AVGAS. Previously only available from Coventry Airport Fuelling, the new contract, based at Coventry Airport North, will provide greater operational efficiency for airport customers.
“These are all very positive messages we are sending to our potential airline customers,” said Chris Orphanou. “We have invested more than £5 million in just 18 months at Coventry and we are looking forward to imminent approval for the construction of a new terminal which will increase the capacity for passenger throughput from 0.98 million to two million passengers per annum.”
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Quote: "Landing fees at Coventry Airport have been reduced from £16.30 per metric tonne to £10 per metric tonne - representing a reduction of more than 60%."
Somebody needs to re-sit their Maths GCSE methinks....
Somebody needs to re-sit their Maths GCSE methinks....
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From the Coventry airport website:-
Coventry Airport reduces Fees & Charges by up to 60 percent
Coventry Airport’s new management is demonstrating its commitment to attract new airlines to the West Midlands Airport by reducing the fees and charges levied at the airport’s customers. In some cases the fees have been reduced by more than 60%.
In 2006 Coventry Airport was acquired by CAFCO-C and its technical management team, CIAO (Convergence International Airports Organisation) a British company specialising in the design, construction, management and operation of regional airports and their infrastructure. As part of an extensive forward-thinking development plan for Coventry, the new management has reviewed existing fees and charges and taken the decision to reduce landing fees, PLS (passenger load supplement) and parking charges.
“We are determined to make Coventry Airport as attractive as possible to potential airline and private customers,” said Chris Orphanou, Coventry Airport’s Managing Director. “This is one way we can demonstrate our resolve and our commitment to developing our route network. Wizz Air commences services between Coventry to the Polish city of Katowice in July and we are confident that other airlines will realise the appeal of Coventry and follow suit.”
Landing fees at Coventry Airport have been reduced from £16.30 per metric tonne to £10 per metric tonne - representing a reduction of more than 60%. Originally the landing fees for an 80 tonne aircraft (a B737 for example) would have been £1340. With the reduction in landing fees it would now only cost £800 to land. For a six tonne Cessna Citation the fee has been reduced from £97.80 to £60.
PLS at Coventry - which used to be chargeable on arriving and departing passengers - is now only payable on departing passengers. The fee is now £9.00 for international passengers and £5.50 on domestic departing passengers.
Parking charges have been changed to a flat fee of £25 or £30, rather than per tonne and Coventry Airport has also appointed an additional on-site distributor for AVGAS. Previously only available from Coventry Airport Fuelling, the new contract, based at Coventry Airport North, will provide greater operational efficiency for airport customers.
“These are all very positive messages we are sending to our potential airline customers,” said Chris Orphanou. “We have invested more than £5 million in just 18 months at Coventry and we are looking forward to imminent approval for the construction of a new terminal which will increase the capacity for passenger throughput from 0.98 million to two million passengers per annum.”
Fried Chicken
Coventry Airport reduces Fees & Charges by up to 60 percent
Coventry Airport’s new management is demonstrating its commitment to attract new airlines to the West Midlands Airport by reducing the fees and charges levied at the airport’s customers. In some cases the fees have been reduced by more than 60%.
In 2006 Coventry Airport was acquired by CAFCO-C and its technical management team, CIAO (Convergence International Airports Organisation) a British company specialising in the design, construction, management and operation of regional airports and their infrastructure. As part of an extensive forward-thinking development plan for Coventry, the new management has reviewed existing fees and charges and taken the decision to reduce landing fees, PLS (passenger load supplement) and parking charges.
“We are determined to make Coventry Airport as attractive as possible to potential airline and private customers,” said Chris Orphanou, Coventry Airport’s Managing Director. “This is one way we can demonstrate our resolve and our commitment to developing our route network. Wizz Air commences services between Coventry to the Polish city of Katowice in July and we are confident that other airlines will realise the appeal of Coventry and follow suit.”
Landing fees at Coventry Airport have been reduced from £16.30 per metric tonne to £10 per metric tonne - representing a reduction of more than 60%. Originally the landing fees for an 80 tonne aircraft (a B737 for example) would have been £1340. With the reduction in landing fees it would now only cost £800 to land. For a six tonne Cessna Citation the fee has been reduced from £97.80 to £60.
PLS at Coventry - which used to be chargeable on arriving and departing passengers - is now only payable on departing passengers. The fee is now £9.00 for international passengers and £5.50 on domestic departing passengers.
Parking charges have been changed to a flat fee of £25 or £30, rather than per tonne and Coventry Airport has also appointed an additional on-site distributor for AVGAS. Previously only available from Coventry Airport Fuelling, the new contract, based at Coventry Airport North, will provide greater operational efficiency for airport customers.
“These are all very positive messages we are sending to our potential airline customers,” said Chris Orphanou. “We have invested more than £5 million in just 18 months at Coventry and we are looking forward to imminent approval for the construction of a new terminal which will increase the capacity for passenger throughput from 0.98 million to two million passengers per annum.”
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I would put money on a DUB and GRO service before next summer season!
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CVT owners have absolutely no idea what they want. I know a couple of the managers there and they are all in a quandry. The owners want to make it profitable BUT they won't put their hands in their pockets for anything. The 'New Terminal' is dragging on and on' and mark my words, if it gets turned down for whatever reason, Thomson will retreat back to Doncaster.
Apart from one Flying club that is taking the business completely from the rest, GA is dying a death, Altantic Memorial Flight are moving the 'old warhorses' to a new home in the Autumn and the some of the hangars are condemmed ! There are private personnel that want to redevelop various parts of the site but the owners keep saying "no, you can't do that as WE might want to do it" and it just drags on and on.........people are turning elsewhere and making plans now. Wizzair is just a bonus at present as they couldn't go elsewhere in the Midlands as such.
It was the same when Tui owned the airfield.Tui only wanted it for Thomson based 737's and they are getting rid of those and replacing with -800's later this year / early next as the maintenence costs are crippling them.
Ryaniar will NOT stand for Coventry 100% NOT !!
CVT owners have absolutely no idea what they want. I know a couple of the managers there and they are all in a quandry. The owners want to make it profitable BUT they won't put their hands in their pockets for anything. The 'New Terminal' is dragging on and on' and mark my words, if it gets turned down for whatever reason, Thomson will retreat back to Doncaster.
Apart from one Flying club that is taking the business completely from the rest, GA is dying a death, Altantic Memorial Flight are moving the 'old warhorses' to a new home in the Autumn and the some of the hangars are condemmed ! There are private personnel that want to redevelop various parts of the site but the owners keep saying "no, you can't do that as WE might want to do it" and it just drags on and on.........people are turning elsewhere and making plans now. Wizzair is just a bonus at present as they couldn't go elsewhere in the Midlands as such.
It was the same when Tui owned the airfield.Tui only wanted it for Thomson based 737's and they are getting rid of those and replacing with -800's later this year / early next as the maintenence costs are crippling them.
Ryaniar will NOT stand for Coventry 100% NOT !!
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MUFC fan, I would keep that money firmly in your wallet.
My concern about any kind of Ryanair operation would be over the aircraft. The 737-800 would be ok to use at Coventry on a dry runway, but is no good at CVT with a decent payload when the runway is wet.
I cannot see Ryanair willingly lidding all their flights to around 100 seats on sale on the off chance that the runway might be wet, just don't think it would make commercial sense.
If FlyGlobespan haven't yet signed up and confirmed all at Birmingham, I would go for them...or maybe even an attempt to bring Jet2 down from the North.
Nav3, I think criticising the owners for "not putting ther hands in their pockets for anything" is a touch unfair, particularly when you do conssider that they have invested over £5 million in to the venture.
My concern about any kind of Ryanair operation would be over the aircraft. The 737-800 would be ok to use at Coventry on a dry runway, but is no good at CVT with a decent payload when the runway is wet.
I cannot see Ryanair willingly lidding all their flights to around 100 seats on sale on the off chance that the runway might be wet, just don't think it would make commercial sense.
If FlyGlobespan haven't yet signed up and confirmed all at Birmingham, I would go for them...or maybe even an attempt to bring Jet2 down from the North.
Nav3, I think criticising the owners for "not putting ther hands in their pockets for anything" is a touch unfair, particularly when you do conssider that they have invested over £5 million in to the venture.
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Worrying stuff
My son works airside over there and likes his job, All this talk is not unheard in the restroom and is lowering morale. What is needed is some clarity on the future,
I would like the teminal "proper" become a reality - but the timescale baffles me.... who is sitting on what part of the plan - what are we waiting for.
Regarding runway safety - I have first (sorry second hand) stories from the apron of go-arounds on 73 5's and 73 3's when it is wet so anything heavier will struggle without a few extra meters on the runway
I would like the teminal "proper" become a reality - but the timescale baffles me.... who is sitting on what part of the plan - what are we waiting for.
Regarding runway safety - I have first (sorry second hand) stories from the apron of go-arounds on 73 5's and 73 3's when it is wet so anything heavier will struggle without a few extra meters on the runway
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I don't see how you can complain about the runway? BLK has a runway of about 300ft shorter than COV, and still welcomes loaded FR a/c and also welcomes the TOM and LS 752s!
I would be VERY surprised if LS went down south, there is more chance of a Carlisle base. As for GSM, they are worth staying away from at the moment with their delays! Also, how can they sustain their major growth. Both them and LS have experienced problems when pushing their a/c to the limit, and the cracks are starting to show.
Anyway, if a new carrier was to be based, I would probably go with GSM as they look the airline still looking for growth. Too much traffic at BHX with TOM, ZB, BE and WW.
I would be VERY surprised if LS went down south, there is more chance of a Carlisle base. As for GSM, they are worth staying away from at the moment with their delays! Also, how can they sustain their major growth. Both them and LS have experienced problems when pushing their a/c to the limit, and the cracks are starting to show.
Anyway, if a new carrier was to be based, I would probably go with GSM as they look the airline still looking for growth. Too much traffic at BHX with TOM, ZB, BE and WW.