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BA Suspending SIN-MEL
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BA to suspend Singapore-Melbourne services
From March 25, 2006, British Airways' daily service from London Heathrow to Melbourne via Singapore will terminate in Singapore.
BA is transferring the service to Melbourne to its partner Qantas as part of the airlines' Joint Services Agreement.
Qantas will now operate two daily flights to Melbourne, one via Singapore and one via Hong Kong. BA will codeshare on the Qantas flights.
This decision will enable BA to provide more seats between London Heathrow and Singapore.
The decision to suspend flights between Singapore and Melbourne is one of several longhaul network changes made recently including an increase in flights to India and China.
A BA spokesperson said: "It is important that we focus our resources on routes that make a profitable contribution to our business.
"The Melbourne route has not performed well enough for us to continue to operate it and our aircraft could be utilised more effectively elsewhere."
BA to suspend Singapore-Melbourne services
From March 25, 2006, British Airways' daily service from London Heathrow to Melbourne via Singapore will terminate in Singapore.
BA is transferring the service to Melbourne to its partner Qantas as part of the airlines' Joint Services Agreement.
Qantas will now operate two daily flights to Melbourne, one via Singapore and one via Hong Kong. BA will codeshare on the Qantas flights.
This decision will enable BA to provide more seats between London Heathrow and Singapore.
The decision to suspend flights between Singapore and Melbourne is one of several longhaul network changes made recently including an increase in flights to India and China.
A BA spokesperson said: "It is important that we focus our resources on routes that make a profitable contribution to our business.
"The Melbourne route has not performed well enough for us to continue to operate it and our aircraft could be utilised more effectively elsewhere."
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Given the shocking loads on their HKG-SYD leg and their difficulties in getting a slot for a secong LHR-HKG service I'd say don't hold your breath. Branson is discovering the hard way that the BA-Qantas 'duopoly' on the kangaroo route actually includea another 20 airlines!
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Its fullish but yields are rubbish, check opodo for fares to MEL and SIN for feb/march. SIN is around 690 MEL is 890 in econ, worse the Business fare is only 200 quid higher to MEL than SIN. That sort of difference will never pay for the extra aircraft and 4 extra crews the Australia bit takes.
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Hand Solo: Given the shocking loads on their HKG-SYD leg and their difficulties in getting a slot for a secong LHR-HKG service I'd say don't hold your breath. Branson is discovering the hard way that the BA-Qantas 'duopoly' on the kangaroo route actually includea another 20 airlines!
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One hopes 'Smiling Pullover Airways' might take it over if BA is pulling out, and good luck to them- I hope it would be a roaring success for them! They would then be bigger than BA on Australia. Shame when BA at one time was running services to PER, MEL, SYD, BNE, ADL & AKL. Even Darwin used to be on that list....dare one even mention HNL, Fiji, Brunei, Jakarta, Taipei, KUL, Nagoya, Osaka (sorry- I'm running out of 3 letter codes)...... looking up and right a bit, Calgary, Edmonton, San Diego......rather a sorry list, and it goes on, but someone has to fill the vacuum!
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VS are welcome to it, might bring them some luck given the appaling loads on their SYD. BA may go to less places but they now serve LAX 3 x daily, NRT 2 x Daily, HKG 3 x Daily, MIA 2 x Daily, YVR daily, SEA Daily etc none of which could have happened while aircraft and crew were being wasted on infrequent legacy destinations.
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Again demonstrates BAs almost desparate shortage of long haul capacity which, as they have no further longhaul aircraft on order, will continue for the next 2-3 years at least. They can only exploit their new Indian traffic rights by withdrawing from elsewhere.
BA have been withdrawing from Australia for several years and leaving most of it to Qantas. In the booming Far East they have withdrawn from Osaka, Seoul, Taipei, Manila,Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur. It is true that they have increased Hong Kong frequencies from 2 to 3 but with a very poor spread of timings (all the westbounds are bunched within 1 hr 45 mins and the eastbounds within 3hrs 10 mins), so they virtually a single very large flight as opposed to Cathays much wider choice. The same is pretty much true at Singapore ( eastbound both London departures within 30 mins and westbound within 55 mins) and the much reduced Bangkok where the choice of timings is much less than offered by Singapore Airlines and Qantas ( Singapore) and Thai (Bangkok). To Bangkok, the 2 joint codeshares by BA and Qantas depart London within 20 minutes of each other and ex Bangkok within 30 minutes. Unlike all 3 competitors BA offers no westbound daylights. If they did, cabin crew agreements/ rest requirements would impose serious constraints on meal service in the middle of 12 hour sectors.
BA have been withdrawing from Australia for several years and leaving most of it to Qantas. In the booming Far East they have withdrawn from Osaka, Seoul, Taipei, Manila,Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur. It is true that they have increased Hong Kong frequencies from 2 to 3 but with a very poor spread of timings (all the westbounds are bunched within 1 hr 45 mins and the eastbounds within 3hrs 10 mins), so they virtually a single very large flight as opposed to Cathays much wider choice. The same is pretty much true at Singapore ( eastbound both London departures within 30 mins and westbound within 55 mins) and the much reduced Bangkok where the choice of timings is much less than offered by Singapore Airlines and Qantas ( Singapore) and Thai (Bangkok). To Bangkok, the 2 joint codeshares by BA and Qantas depart London within 20 minutes of each other and ex Bangkok within 30 minutes. Unlike all 3 competitors BA offers no westbound daylights. If they did, cabin crew agreements/ rest requirements would impose serious constraints on meal service in the middle of 12 hour sectors.
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Out of interest can anyone explain why BA's Far East network has such poor timings as previously said. It used to offer SIN and BKK as daylight sectors, but the current choice is sometimes down to 45 mins apart- HKG-LHR route notably. There is a huge market for daylight westbound services, which BA ignores.
Equally, surely SYD can now be passed off to QF!
Equally, surely SYD can now be passed off to QF!
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In reference to the VS flights to SYD, i know its a sod to get seats on, as i work for a well know travel firm in the UK and we sell a lot of seats on VS and we can very rarely get seats on the SYD flight, now i know the LHR - HKG flight is busy, but we have problems with the HKG-SYD route too.
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In reference to the VS flights to SYD, i know its a sod to get seats on, as i work for a well know travel firm in the UK and we sell a lot of seats on VS and we can very rarely get seats on the SYD flight, now i know the LHR - HKG flight is busy, but we have problems with the HKG-SYD route too.
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i work for a well know travel firm in the UK and we sell a lot of seats on VS and we can very rarely get seats on the SYD flight
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Virgin Atlantic have reported that the route to Sydney has gone into profit - some months earlier than they had expected.
The seven weekly flights which will be available when BA stop doing SIN-MEL are going to be valuable to someone. VS could even use them to give an alternative routing London to Sydney to free up seats LondonHKG.
London to Melbourne is good because MEL is a better airport to connect to other Australian cities.
The seven weekly flights which will be available when BA stop doing SIN-MEL are going to be valuable to someone. VS could even use them to give an alternative routing London to Sydney to free up seats LondonHKG.
London to Melbourne is good because MEL is a better airport to connect to other Australian cities.
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[quote]VS could even use them to give an alternative routing London to Sydney to free up seats LondonHKG./quote]
????? Free up seats London to HKG for who? Certainly not Virgin, it's the same aircraft operating the whole route.
????? Free up seats London to HKG for who? Certainly not Virgin, it's the same aircraft operating the whole route.
