Ryanair's delayed/cancelled flights yesterday
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Ryanair's delayed/cancelled flights yesterday
I flew to Girona for the day yesterday, or should I say this morning? The flight leaving was perfect, on time, arrived early. The flight coming back though, was delayed two hours. At first it was anoying but hearing the huge amounts of flights that Ryanair cancelled yesterday I was just happy to get home. Ryanair were fantastic through this delay. There were updates every 15 or so minutes so you knew what was going on and when. The FA's were very pleasant and helpful baring in mind it was 2am Spanish time. They even left the cabin lights off on the whole flight because it was so late. And what was even better I got the seat right at the front with all the leg room you need, and there was no one behind me so I could put my chair all the way back.
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Ryanair and Easyjet aren't anywhere near as bad as some people and tv shows make them out to be. I've flown with both airlines many times and found them to be very reliable although I think Ryanair is more punctual. As long as you are aware of the "rules" ( check in times, weight limit on luggage etc ) and you are adequately insured then everything should be fine.
I hope you had a great day out in Spain - it's a pity it was only for one day though!!
I hope you had a great day out in Spain - it's a pity it was only for one day though!!
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james170969, You are correct!
Average delay for first part of 2005 - Ryanair 10mins, Easyjet 15mins.
VS have average delay of over 25minutes, in same statistics(Flightontimeinfo)!
Statistics based on take-off and landing times, not gate-to-gate.
Average delay for first part of 2005 - Ryanair 10mins, Easyjet 15mins.
VS have average delay of over 25minutes, in same statistics(Flightontimeinfo)!
Statistics based on take-off and landing times, not gate-to-gate.
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MOL should take some money out of his 400mio to allow FR to spent some money to train the pilots and to equip the a/c for CAT III ops. - Therafter fog will be no longer a concern.
Nowadays fog must not really be the reason for heavy flight cancellations and delays like with FR during 20.-22 Nov. period - only poor equipment and poor training.
e.g. HHN was badly effected. Why not divert to FRA or CGN were the weather was not too bad. It's just 1 hour by bus !
Well of course, in this cases FR had to pay some extra fees for using bigger airports. And this is of course not the policy of a sleazy LCC.
BTW: in case of diversion does anybody think it is pax-minded to take an "alternate" more than 300NM away, resulting for pax in a min.7hrs ground transportation, instead taking nearest available airports.
Nowadays fog must not really be the reason for heavy flight cancellations and delays like with FR during 20.-22 Nov. period - only poor equipment and poor training.
e.g. HHN was badly effected. Why not divert to FRA or CGN were the weather was not too bad. It's just 1 hour by bus !
Well of course, in this cases FR had to pay some extra fees for using bigger airports. And this is of course not the policy of a sleazy LCC.
BTW: in case of diversion does anybody think it is pax-minded to take an "alternate" more than 300NM away, resulting for pax in a min.7hrs ground transportation, instead taking nearest available airports.
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Reality check please
OK, it's foggy.
Flights can't always get into where they are supposed to go, even if the aircraft and the crew are CAT III, that doesn't always mean they can get in, the runway has to be CAT III as well, and we all know that FR are operating to smaller airports with (in some cases) lesser facilities. Just about every airline in the UK has had problems over the last few days, even if the aircraft, crew and airport were open, there are then problems with things like low visibility procedures that reduce the overall capacity, so they can't operate the same level of program.
Now come the other practical problems. Divert to a larger local airfield. Not as easy as it sounds. First, can they take another flight, if things are pear shaped, there may not be gates/stands etc available to take the flight.
Does the airline have a handling agent at the alternate, and can they handle the flight. Most handling agents these days don't have "spare" crews waiting around in case of diversions, they are staffed for their planned load, so a sudden influx of diversions causes more problems, and too many flights can also mean that there's not enough things like steps, baggage trollies, and all the other related items.
ATC. If the weather is bad, then gettting slots in or out, or even through certain high activity areas is problematic. That's another delay, or hangup of some sort.
Low visibility procedures. This can seriously delay things, as the normal throughput is no longer possible.
OK we all know that FR's "style" is brash, abrasive, and at times downright nasty, and I'm not about to defend MOL at all, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of people out there doing their best to make a plan happen, and to get as many people as possible to the place they planned to go to, and as close to the time they were expecting, but they can't work miracles, even if the boss would like them to!
It doesn't always work, but who ever said that aviation was an exact science, it is not, and the sooner a lot of people recognise that ALL airlines will have problems to a greater or lesser extent when the weather doesn't do what people want it to do, the better for all of us.
Road transport has been screwed up for the last few days, but I don't see people getting up tight with Blair because their normally 20 minute journey took an hour and a half.
Rail transport has been delayed too, as have ferries, so why is there so much angst about air delays. It happens, so live with it!!!
Flights can't always get into where they are supposed to go, even if the aircraft and the crew are CAT III, that doesn't always mean they can get in, the runway has to be CAT III as well, and we all know that FR are operating to smaller airports with (in some cases) lesser facilities. Just about every airline in the UK has had problems over the last few days, even if the aircraft, crew and airport were open, there are then problems with things like low visibility procedures that reduce the overall capacity, so they can't operate the same level of program.
Now come the other practical problems. Divert to a larger local airfield. Not as easy as it sounds. First, can they take another flight, if things are pear shaped, there may not be gates/stands etc available to take the flight.
Does the airline have a handling agent at the alternate, and can they handle the flight. Most handling agents these days don't have "spare" crews waiting around in case of diversions, they are staffed for their planned load, so a sudden influx of diversions causes more problems, and too many flights can also mean that there's not enough things like steps, baggage trollies, and all the other related items.
ATC. If the weather is bad, then gettting slots in or out, or even through certain high activity areas is problematic. That's another delay, or hangup of some sort.
Low visibility procedures. This can seriously delay things, as the normal throughput is no longer possible.
OK we all know that FR's "style" is brash, abrasive, and at times downright nasty, and I'm not about to defend MOL at all, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of people out there doing their best to make a plan happen, and to get as many people as possible to the place they planned to go to, and as close to the time they were expecting, but they can't work miracles, even if the boss would like them to!
It doesn't always work, but who ever said that aviation was an exact science, it is not, and the sooner a lot of people recognise that ALL airlines will have problems to a greater or lesser extent when the weather doesn't do what people want it to do, the better for all of us.
Road transport has been screwed up for the last few days, but I don't see people getting up tight with Blair because their normally 20 minute journey took an hour and a half.
Rail transport has been delayed too, as have ferries, so why is there so much angst about air delays. It happens, so live with it!!!
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MOL should take some money out of his 400mio to allow FR to spent some money to train the pilots and to equip the a/c for CAT III ops. - Therafter fog will be no longer a concern.
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Last time I looked at the central pedestal it said CAT111, last time I was sim-checked it included CAT111 recurrency training,of course if you choose to fly with us to our CAT1 destinations (many of which have minima higher than 200' 550m) what do you want/expect? that we bust the minima? sorry but it is just the reality of European winter anti-cyclonic weather.If you don't like it just drive, or better still (hairbrush-a321)stay home and post sh**e on Pprune.
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Don't want to be rude,but your arguments about diversions don't stack up.
If the aircraft can't land at planned destination,then getting the aircraft on the ground elsewhere is the ONLY priority. All these excuses about slots,handling, gates etc just do NOT come into the equation. Is ATC going to tell an aircraft low on fuel that it can't land because it doesn't have a slot? B
s!
Ryanair may see fit to cancel a flight because it may have to divert,but your theories are very flawed.
If the aircraft can't land at planned destination,then getting the aircraft on the ground elsewhere is the ONLY priority. All these excuses about slots,handling, gates etc just do NOT come into the equation. Is ATC going to tell an aircraft low on fuel that it can't land because it doesn't have a slot? B
s!Ryanair may see fit to cancel a flight because it may have to divert,but your theories are very flawed.
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I recently took off from a RYR destination in Spain , and while navigating around some truly atrocious wx, overheard Spanish ATC tell an inbound that our departure airfield was now closed due TS over the field, BCN closed (same reason) Reus,no space avail on apron etc etc so yes, unless you want to resort to declaring an emergency it does happen,& even more so in the clutter of the SE of England.RVR at STN was 50m for a while a coupla days back, even CAT111B wunder-planes can't hack that; so sometimes yes;the best,safest,indeed only option is to cancel the flight,sorry George.
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Diversion = somewhere you go because you don't have a choice.
Alternate = somewhere you may go because where you wanted to go isn't possible.
Yes, a diversion can happen without much warning or other options. An alternate is the first choice, as there's some control over what's going to happen when you get there.
What I was suggesting was the basics, there's a lot more to this than the level of discussion here, and FR economics will also be a factor, if the landing fee at destination is (say) E500, and the diversion to a fancy well equipped local airport is E1500, and a diversion to a smaller but available airport somewhere else is E600, where are you going to go?
There's a lot more to this than just dropping in to another airfield just because it's close.
I'm not saying that FR's policy is right, wrong or a shade between I was trying to make the point that there's a LOT more to operating in bad weather than was implied by the original posts.
Simplified it might have been, B s is is not, i've made enough flights and done the diversions myself for all manner of reasons.
Alternate = somewhere you may go because where you wanted to go isn't possible.
Yes, a diversion can happen without much warning or other options. An alternate is the first choice, as there's some control over what's going to happen when you get there.
What I was suggesting was the basics, there's a lot more to this than the level of discussion here, and FR economics will also be a factor, if the landing fee at destination is (say) E500, and the diversion to a fancy well equipped local airport is E1500, and a diversion to a smaller but available airport somewhere else is E600, where are you going to go?
There's a lot more to this than just dropping in to another airfield just because it's close.
I'm not saying that FR's policy is right, wrong or a shade between I was trying to make the point that there's a LOT more to operating in bad weather than was implied by the original posts.
Simplified it might have been, B
s is is not, i've made enough flights and done the diversions myself for all manner of reasons.
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A alternate is still a diversion,the fact that it's on the flight plan makes no difference. There will in all probability be no arrangement made with the alternate airfield,making it no different to any other diversion.
The fact that it may cost FR the same money to land as normal airlines probably scares them,hence their choice of cancellation
A alternate is still a diversion,the fact that it's on the flight plan makes no difference. There will in all probability be no arrangement made with the alternate airfield,making it no different to any other diversion.
The fact that it may cost FR the same money to land as normal airlines probably scares them,hence their choice of cancellation
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"Normal Airlines" - like the big one who chose to fly across the pond on 3 engines rather than divert back to America......? Yeah, that'd be right! Great point! Catch up dude! 
