Air Berlin!! UK Regional!!!
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Air Berlin!! UK Regional!!!
Apprantly Air Berlin are commencing regional UK flights from London Stansted to Manchester and Glasgow!!
Would like to see Eastern Airways' response to that!
Would like to see Eastern Airways' response to that!
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Your source, I cannot see a link to your rumour?
Anyway, Stansted to Manchester, where is the yield?
Glasgow is already served by Globespan, Ryanair and easyJet.
Certainly the slots that Air Berlin would require to make these work would be difficult to obtain?
Please tell us more?
Anyway, Stansted to Manchester, where is the yield?
Glasgow is already served by Globespan, Ryanair and easyJet.
Certainly the slots that Air Berlin would require to make these work would be difficult to obtain?
Please tell us more?
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It's not a rumour , the Glasgow service starts on 16th December and you can book GLA to 7 German destinations for £60 rtn. There are strong rumours that EZY are about to announce German routes from Glasgow and Air Berlin obviously want a piece of the action first.
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Link from FT for those interested:
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/1c0b3076-4c...0779e2340.html
Additional mention of checking baggage through to final destination. Surely a lo-co first?
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/1c0b3076-4c...0779e2340.html
Additional mention of checking baggage through to final destination. Surely a lo-co first?
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i think it is more likely that ezy will pull out of scotland all together , those of us on the inside are being told that none of the routes make any money and that EDI is too expensive to operate from.
we have rolled over on every challenge to date unlikely to change this time ,Air Berlin are not daft and will have seen that we have no stomach for a fight .
Step change , my a**e.
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i think it is more likely that ezy will pull out of scotland all together , those of us on the inside are being told that none of the routes make any money and that EDI is too expensive to operate from.
we have rolled over on every challenge to date unlikely to change this time ,Air Berlin are not daft and will have seen that we have no stomach for a fight .
Step change , my a**e.
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Can't really see them pulling out of EDI,they have a lot of routes there,and recently announced a new one, GVA. Glasgow is perhaps different.
Ermm not really, GLA has also just had GVA announced at the same time as EDI. No chance in hell of EZY pulling out of GLA.
Ermm not really, GLA has also just had GVA announced at the same time as EDI. No chance in hell of EZY pulling out of GLA.
we have rolled over on every challenge to date unlikely to change this time ,Air Berlin are not daft and will have seen that we have no stomach for a fight .
I wish them well, as AB are pretty good, a Loco with frills??? free snacks/soft drinks/ FF scheme & now interlining - certainly give Easy a run for their money.
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i think it is more likely that ezy will pull out of scotland all together
Glasgow followed by Edinburgh are the 2 most popular routes by any airline from Luton and Easyjet has no competition on them either from LTN
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No, for my comments earlier on this thread. One thing is for sure, you can never be surprised by the airline industry.
Ref the Luton rumour, not started by me, however, I am sure that it is an airline that the new airport operators would like to steal?
Ref the Luton rumour, not started by me, however, I am sure that it is an airline that the new airport operators would like to steal?
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NF,
It was only a few months ago that you were posting saying that EZY are definately planning to expand at GLA soon with new aircraft (A319s and even A321s!) and new routes. Now you're saying that none of their Scottish routes make any money and they might pull out of Scotland all together! It seems a bit of a drastic change in opinion if you don't mind me saying so.
Like the others, I find it difficult to believe that EZY will pull out of Scotland for many of the reasons listed. I could see them cutting routes at EDI to give BAA a fright if EDI is indeed to expensive for them.
Re. you saying that EZY have no stomach for the fight, it seems it is exactly what they DO have in launching GVA sercvices from EDI and GLA that almost exactly match those of GSM. Surely this is designed as an attack on GSM to push them out of EZY territory? If they were going to pull Scotland, I find it very odd they're launching these routes. Indeed, with the developments you were suggesting at GLA, I seem to remember you said the plan was to "get" GSM.
Tbh, If EZY are not making money from Scotland, it's their own fault. They've continuosly obsessed on taking on BA and other traditional carriers etc. on routes like London, Bristol, Belfast and Amsterdam, whilst completely ignoring unserved routes to Europe. In the meantime FR have have made a good hub for themselves at PIK with exactly such routes and GSM have beaten EZY to the high demand routes to the costas.
It was only a few months ago that you were posting saying that EZY are definately planning to expand at GLA soon with new aircraft (A319s and even A321s!) and new routes. Now you're saying that none of their Scottish routes make any money and they might pull out of Scotland all together! It seems a bit of a drastic change in opinion if you don't mind me saying so.
Like the others, I find it difficult to believe that EZY will pull out of Scotland for many of the reasons listed. I could see them cutting routes at EDI to give BAA a fright if EDI is indeed to expensive for them.
Re. you saying that EZY have no stomach for the fight, it seems it is exactly what they DO have in launching GVA sercvices from EDI and GLA that almost exactly match those of GSM. Surely this is designed as an attack on GSM to push them out of EZY territory? If they were going to pull Scotland, I find it very odd they're launching these routes. Indeed, with the developments you were suggesting at GLA, I seem to remember you said the plan was to "get" GSM.
Tbh, If EZY are not making money from Scotland, it's their own fault. They've continuosly obsessed on taking on BA and other traditional carriers etc. on routes like London, Bristol, Belfast and Amsterdam, whilst completely ignoring unserved routes to Europe. In the meantime FR have have made a good hub for themselves at PIK with exactly such routes and GSM have beaten EZY to the high demand routes to the costas.
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you are quite correct , i said that as that is what i believed at the time , i believe also that i am slightly better placed than you or some of the others here to know whats going on "insideeasyjet" .
I stand by what i said at the time and what i am saying now .Easyjets senior management have no interest at all in Scotland , that has been proven recently with certain dealings that were done with BAA GLA and the Glasgow City Council , which EZY reneged on at the last min'
I can assure you that most of the flight crew in GLA are keeping a very close eye on GSM and FR at PIK as that will be our lifeboat, we hope.
I foresee a situation in the near future where GLA and EDI are closed as crew bases and EZY's problem over 60 crew are nightstopped on split duty to cover the morning flights.
It is only a matter of time before FR operate a LTN-PIK and only a matter of time before GSM get more STN rotations on the go . All the while the EZY management focus on "un-rivalled opportunities in eastern europe" whilst they say they cant make money in Scotland due to the charges in EDI but are unable to even contemplate the fact that some routes might work out of GLA .
When i said that EZY would pull out of GLA and EDI i meant as bases for pilots , the LTN and STN routes will limp on for a while i am sure.
Yep it is a drastic change of opnion nef , sorry i had the orange blinkers on before !
To quote someone else reply to me earlier this year " A321 in EZY colours in GLA " more chance of snow in hell .
you are quite correct , i said that as that is what i believed at the time , i believe also that i am slightly better placed than you or some of the others here to know whats going on "insideeasyjet" .
I stand by what i said at the time and what i am saying now .Easyjets senior management have no interest at all in Scotland , that has been proven recently with certain dealings that were done with BAA GLA and the Glasgow City Council , which EZY reneged on at the last min'
I can assure you that most of the flight crew in GLA are keeping a very close eye on GSM and FR at PIK as that will be our lifeboat, we hope.
I foresee a situation in the near future where GLA and EDI are closed as crew bases and EZY's problem over 60 crew are nightstopped on split duty to cover the morning flights.
It is only a matter of time before FR operate a LTN-PIK and only a matter of time before GSM get more STN rotations on the go . All the while the EZY management focus on "un-rivalled opportunities in eastern europe" whilst they say they cant make money in Scotland due to the charges in EDI but are unable to even contemplate the fact that some routes might work out of GLA .
When i said that EZY would pull out of GLA and EDI i meant as bases for pilots , the LTN and STN routes will limp on for a while i am sure.
Yep it is a drastic change of opnion nef , sorry i had the orange blinkers on before !
To quote someone else reply to me earlier this year " A321 in EZY colours in GLA " more chance of snow in hell .
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Easyjets senior management have no interest at all in Scotland
Nil Further... you are one the very few posters on PPRuNe that seem to have your finger on the pulse of what really goes on within the Aviation fraternity in Scotland... keep up the good work buddy...
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you are one the very few posters on PPRuNe that seem to have your finger on the pulse of what really goes on within the Aviation fraternity in Scotland..
easyJet is very interested in Scotland, but only at the right price.
At the moment they can put airframes into other parts of Europe that will make them more cash. Given that situation what would you do? Go on, answer that question Meeb and don't duck it
Would you run a business or a charity? Central Scotland has a paradox. There is spare airport capacity at GLA but the yield is in EDI where there is little excess airport capacity. Thus fees are high. Some airlines are willing to pay them. Good for them. easyJet sees better opportunities elsewhere.
When they get a deal they're happy with I'm sure they'll put airframes into EDI/GLA. Until then who knows....already they are winding down some services from GLA...but are they about to start a new one?
i think it is more likely that ezy will pull out of scotland all together , those of us on the inside are being told that none of the routes make any money and that EDI is too expensive to operate from.
If they want you to dual base it\'s that the bases aren\'t sustainable unless you do 6 six sector days and dual basing.
If you catch them off guard it\'s yes the bases are very profitable and if we could get the A321\'s we could fill them.
Depends on what spin they want to put on it this week.....
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NF,
>>i believe also that i am slightly better placed than you or some of the others here to know whats going on "insideeasyjet"<<
I don't think I ever claimed you weren't - I merely commented on your significant change of opinion from earlier posts.
There is however one thing that puzzles me - Given the knowledge you obviously have you could maybe help me to understand? - If EZY have the problems in/attitude to Scotland that you describe, why are they starting EDI-GVA? I'm not doubting what you say, but it just seems a bit odd for them to be starting such a route if things are so bad.
>>i believe also that i am slightly better placed than you or some of the others here to know whats going on "insideeasyjet"<<
I don't think I ever claimed you weren't - I merely commented on your significant change of opinion from earlier posts.
There is however one thing that puzzles me - Given the knowledge you obviously have you could maybe help me to understand? - If EZY have the problems in/attitude to Scotland that you describe, why are they starting EDI-GVA? I'm not doubting what you say, but it just seems a bit odd for them to be starting such a route if things are so bad.
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Whilst easy are trying to balance 3 aircraft types in their fleet (300, 700 & 319), certain bases will lose out. Luton being one of them. Airbus base at Luton due in 2007 so little scope for expansion until then.
Rumour also has it that this winter could see the largest loss ever in easy history. Not my words, but those quoted from the 'shrink wrapped' H.Q. I think you will find that the recent re-shuffle at the 'top' reflects the need to savage costs?
The Icelandic's are waiting in the wings and the City will not allow the losses to perpetuate.
I was told that easy are flying full planes and lots of them and losing money due to the yields. The price of aviation fuel being blamed and this was in September! Again just rumour, but from a well validated source that i trust 100%.
Cash flow is the key to any business, easy will go where they can find it.
There was talk on here a while back that the reason the lo-Co's keep ordering new aircraft is by taking delivery, it makes them short term profit! They buy a new plane at a discount, immediately sell it on delivery for 'book' price, then lease it at the 'book' price rate which is obviously huge in comparison to leasing a discounted jet. This profit then appears every time a new Boeing/Airbus is delivered, but strategically, the airline pays inflated lease rentals over the long-term. I think this is known as 'short termism'?
Rumour also has it that this winter could see the largest loss ever in easy history. Not my words, but those quoted from the 'shrink wrapped' H.Q. I think you will find that the recent re-shuffle at the 'top' reflects the need to savage costs?
The Icelandic's are waiting in the wings and the City will not allow the losses to perpetuate.
I was told that easy are flying full planes and lots of them and losing money due to the yields. The price of aviation fuel being blamed and this was in September! Again just rumour, but from a well validated source that i trust 100%.
Cash flow is the key to any business, easy will go where they can find it.
There was talk on here a while back that the reason the lo-Co's keep ordering new aircraft is by taking delivery, it makes them short term profit! They buy a new plane at a discount, immediately sell it on delivery for 'book' price, then lease it at the 'book' price rate which is obviously huge in comparison to leasing a discounted jet. This profit then appears every time a new Boeing/Airbus is delivered, but strategically, the airline pays inflated lease rentals over the long-term. I think this is known as 'short termism'?