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Well CWL-BRU is back, thanks to a Welsh Assembly route development fund grant...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4522982.stm
Almost like a real airport now....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4522982.stm
Almost like a real airport now....
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I see Brussels is back, lets hope some advertising and decent fares make it a goer this time.
Still nothing about Aer Arran on the airports website, as they were so keen to tell us about the other new routes and airlines you have to wonder why this hasn't appeared.
Still nothing about Aer Arran on the airports website, as they were so keen to tell us about the other new routes and airlines you have to wonder why this hasn't appeared.
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I believe that Air Wales will operate the CWL-BRU route 2xdaily.
The Dragon Fly Air rumor (mentioned beofe) they are a private charter airline I believe, flying out of CWL.
If this Route Development Scheme is going to benefit other routes, what routes are we likely to see appear?
I personally believe these destinations could come about from CWL;
Germany:- MUC, FRA or STR
France:- NCE
Spain:- BCN, MAD
Portugal:- LIS
Italy:- FCO/MXP
The article also mentions a route to Valley. Would Air Wales operate that? Is it viable?
Regards,
Chris
The Dragon Fly Air rumor (mentioned beofe) they are a private charter airline I believe, flying out of CWL.
If this Route Development Scheme is going to benefit other routes, what routes are we likely to see appear?
I personally believe these destinations could come about from CWL;
Germany:- MUC, FRA or STR
France:- NCE
Spain:- BCN, MAD
Portugal:- LIS
Italy:- FCO/MXP
The article also mentions a route to Valley. Would Air Wales operate that? Is it viable?
Regards,
Chris
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Undoubtedly more routes will follow. With £4 million of state aid apparently available it would be a very poor airport management that couldn't find a way to make use of it.
Whether it is right to use taxpayers' money to operate routes that would not otherwise be viable, such as CWL-BRU, is a debatable point.
CWL is very fortunate to be in this position and would be very foolish not to take advantage. Other airports are not so lucky and have to attract routes on a strictly commercial basis.
Having said that I doubt that any of the operators of those airports would refuse state aid if it was offered.
As for the Valley route (the so-called pan-Wales service) there has been much debate in the past year about the effectiveness of such a route, even with RDF money subsidising it.
Undoubtedly more routes will follow. With £4 million of state aid apparently available it would be a very poor airport management that couldn't find a way to make use of it.
Whether it is right to use taxpayers' money to operate routes that would not otherwise be viable, such as CWL-BRU, is a debatable point.
CWL is very fortunate to be in this position and would be very foolish not to take advantage. Other airports are not so lucky and have to attract routes on a strictly commercial basis.
Having said that I doubt that any of the operators of those airports would refuse state aid if it was offered.
As for the Valley route (the so-called pan-Wales service) there has been much debate in the past year about the effectiveness of such a route, even with RDF money subsidising it.
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I do believe that the CWL-BRU-CWL route could be successful should the price be right. I was quoted 300 quid for a one way flight to BRU last time 6G had the route and that was many months in advance. I ended up going from BRS where the fare was less than half price. BA held that route for years so can't see why it shouldn't be successful again.
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With no facts and figures to hand to back up anything I say, I believe when British Regional did the route they had very few Pax, however the yields were good.
It is now a very different airport from when British Regional were operating, the airport needs to do a sustained marketing campaign selling the airport and what it has to offer.
I am sure Brussels can be sold, but with many people in Cardiff itself still unaware of who flies out of the Airport and where you can fly to they need to do one heck of a sales job.
It is now a very different airport from when British Regional were operating, the airport needs to do a sustained marketing campaign selling the airport and what it has to offer.
I am sure Brussels can be sold, but with many people in Cardiff itself still unaware of who flies out of the Airport and where you can fly to they need to do one heck of a sales job.
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Hit the nail on the head i think Flower!!!!!!!!This is when the airport will have to so what its made of, either that or bluff its way like usual.
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BRU will not work! 6G been there done that it fell flat on it's face the last time it was done and then it was with the backing of the asssembly, highest load I ever took out of there was about 9 people, it's the same with BHD at the moment 6G is going round like headless chickens, re-launching routes that have been tried and failed look at Liverpool 2nd time round and it's failed again, all because the magic thing of marketing is NEVER DONE so nobody knows about it and this time you have Aer Arann doing the same route and probably similar times and they will market it heavily and leave 6G the scraps that are left as well as Baby doing Aldergrove who killed 6G off BHD first time round.
It's a shame that the staff who know what they are doing can't run 6G, why? because the chairman refuses to listen to anybody who knows how to run airlines!
I love 6G I have a lot of great memories there made some really good friends but I fear for the worst for my friends and former collegues, the airline is being attacked heavily by the competition with baby slowly starting to take routes away from them and Aer Arann starting 2 of Air Wales's routes and the stupid plan to move everything from PLH to Flybe country in Exeter what is he thinking? If by miracle you make Exeter work don't think it will go unnoticed by Flybe who I'm sure would launch the same route and what's with NCL? Used to be a very good businessman's route but since it's been attached to ABZ the businessmen in NCL can no longer do a day's business in Cardiff because it doesn't arrive in CWL until mid afternoon, so they all now use the big orange machine at BRS, I know I asked a pax who was going to Cardiff why he didn't use Air Wales, he said he used to until they changed the times and unless his company is willing to put him up in a hotel for the night it has to be easyJet from now on because it arrives in the morning.
Air Wales don't mess with your best route with the waste of time that is ABZ and sort out your reliability your delays have been appalling of late.
It's a shame I always stick up for 6G but it's so frustrating watching it go wrong at the moment with silly decisions, the company has so much potential I just wish the chairman would take a back seat and let the people who know what they are doing get on with their jobs without interfering.
It's a shame that the staff who know what they are doing can't run 6G, why? because the chairman refuses to listen to anybody who knows how to run airlines!
I love 6G I have a lot of great memories there made some really good friends but I fear for the worst for my friends and former collegues, the airline is being attacked heavily by the competition with baby slowly starting to take routes away from them and Aer Arann starting 2 of Air Wales's routes and the stupid plan to move everything from PLH to Flybe country in Exeter what is he thinking? If by miracle you make Exeter work don't think it will go unnoticed by Flybe who I'm sure would launch the same route and what's with NCL? Used to be a very good businessman's route but since it's been attached to ABZ the businessmen in NCL can no longer do a day's business in Cardiff because it doesn't arrive in CWL until mid afternoon, so they all now use the big orange machine at BRS, I know I asked a pax who was going to Cardiff why he didn't use Air Wales, he said he used to until they changed the times and unless his company is willing to put him up in a hotel for the night it has to be easyJet from now on because it arrives in the morning.
Air Wales don't mess with your best route with the waste of time that is ABZ and sort out your reliability your delays have been appalling of late.
It's a shame I always stick up for 6G but it's so frustrating watching it go wrong at the moment with silly decisions, the company has so much potential I just wish the chairman would take a back seat and let the people who know what they are doing get on with their jobs without interfering.
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I don't really know what to say to Stone Cold's post except "hear hear"....
I'm editing this post again.... I fear that I was taken in for what passes as "journalism" in the UK. A good friend has sent me a few titbits of info regarding what the BBC call "government support" (which would be unlawful) - what 6G seem to have managed with the help of the WAG is both lawful and creative. For which I am happy to salute them both.
BRU from CWL CAN work. it is NOT a low cost route, which is why baby have steered clear of it (cf BRUEMA). It doesn't need huge loads, but it does need good yield - which is quite possible. BACX used to do it with their high cost base, so with a bit of a push, AW should do fine. More power to their elbows.
TA
I'm editing this post again.... I fear that I was taken in for what passes as "journalism" in the UK. A good friend has sent me a few titbits of info regarding what the BBC call "government support" (which would be unlawful) - what 6G seem to have managed with the help of the WAG is both lawful and creative. For which I am happy to salute them both.
BRU from CWL CAN work. it is NOT a low cost route, which is why baby have steered clear of it (cf BRUEMA). It doesn't need huge loads, but it does need good yield - which is quite possible. BACX used to do it with their high cost base, so with a bit of a push, AW should do fine. More power to their elbows.
TA
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Don't know why 6G thought there was demand for a CWL-ABZ route.
Unless it's oil-related up here, then a non-core domestic route t/f ABZ will always struggle I feel (unless it becomes TRULY low-cost, or unless *Eastern operate it ).
If I remember BACX used to route CDG-CWL-BFS-ABZ & back when they operated it, albeit with the 145. The other sectors would perhaps justified a jungle jet back then.
* I was being somewhat ironic, although I don't know...
Unless it's oil-related up here, then a non-core domestic route t/f ABZ will always struggle I feel (unless it becomes TRULY low-cost, or unless *Eastern operate it ).
If I remember BACX used to route CDG-CWL-BFS-ABZ & back when they operated it, albeit with the 145. The other sectors would perhaps justified a jungle jet back then.
* I was being somewhat ironic, although I don't know...
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Boss Hogg £400,000 in six months is a damn fine better than the 9 million it lost in its previous financial year!
It was loosing £400,000 every month until Twin Aisle joined which for your information was only a 6 month contract as a consultant but unfortunatly as always the chairman gets involved and takes apart all the work that Twin Ailse and every other consultant who has come along since!
The chairman is a nice guy but knows sod all about aviation fact!!!
Well look at that the minute I post my reply to Boss Hogg his post is deleted.
It was loosing £400,000 every month until Twin Aisle joined which for your information was only a 6 month contract as a consultant but unfortunatly as always the chairman gets involved and takes apart all the work that Twin Ailse and every other consultant who has come along since!
The chairman is a nice guy but knows sod all about aviation fact!!!
Well look at that the minute I post my reply to Boss Hogg his post is deleted.
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stone cold, I salute thee for taking the time to try and "right" all that is "wrong".
as they say "suicide may be a hobby but I wouldnt want to do it for a living"
look forward to chattin' to ya in the upper airways soon.
as they say "suicide may be a hobby but I wouldnt want to do it for a living"
look forward to chattin' to ya in the upper airways soon.
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Twin Ailse check your pms.
NSR I'll wave when you pass me in the climb when I'm in the scarebus whislt I struggle to gain altitude with it's 2 hairdryers screaming at full power!
NSR I'll wave when you pass me in the climb when I'm in the scarebus whislt I struggle to gain altitude with it's 2 hairdryers screaming at full power!