AAE looses UK AOC
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Simplistically it means they are grounded – no AOC no Commercial flights.
BUT
The pulling of an AOC is relatively unusual – before this is done the CAA would have issued LOTS of warnings etc, the surrendering of an AOC is more normal but it’s only “more normal” for airlines stopping flying.
If it is Air Atlanta they would most likely also hold an Icelandic AOC and could sub lease the UK reg planes to the Icelandic AOC holder – but if it was a “pulled” AOC the UKCAA wouldn’t exactly be happy if this was done.
I admit to knowing little about Air Atlanta but would need a definitive source before I believed it had been “pulled”.
BUT
The pulling of an AOC is relatively unusual – before this is done the CAA would have issued LOTS of warnings etc, the surrendering of an AOC is more normal but it’s only “more normal” for airlines stopping flying.
If it is Air Atlanta they would most likely also hold an Icelandic AOC and could sub lease the UK reg planes to the Icelandic AOC holder – but if it was a “pulled” AOC the UKCAA wouldn’t exactly be happy if this was done.
I admit to knowing little about Air Atlanta but would need a definitive source before I believed it had been “pulled”.
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If they are still operating flights they probably still have an AOC
JAR–OPS 1.175 General rules for Air
Operator Certification
(a) An operator shall not operate an aeroplane for the purpose of commercial air transportation otherwise than under, and in accordance with, the terms and conditions of an Air Operator Certificate (AOC).
That is unless they were using Icelandic Registered planes – these would be being operated under the Icelandic AOC.
But of course wouldn’t like to argue with a boyo from back home or an “old fart” in case they know something I don’t – but from the sound of it the AAE AOC is alive and well.
PS
In AOC parlance “suspended” differs from “revoked” in that once you’ve fixed the reason for suspension you can get the AOC back – but a suspension means you’ve done something really bad and can’t fly until you fix it – revoked means you haven’t fixed it and the CAA don’t belive you ever will.
JAR–OPS 1.175 General rules for Air
Operator Certification
(a) An operator shall not operate an aeroplane for the purpose of commercial air transportation otherwise than under, and in accordance with, the terms and conditions of an Air Operator Certificate (AOC).
That is unless they were using Icelandic Registered planes – these would be being operated under the Icelandic AOC.
But of course wouldn’t like to argue with a boyo from back home or an “old fart” in case they know something I don’t – but from the sound of it the AAE AOC is alive and well.
PS
In AOC parlance “suspended” differs from “revoked” in that once you’ve fixed the reason for suspension you can get the AOC back – but a suspension means you’ve done something really bad and can’t fly until you fix it – revoked means you haven’t fixed it and the CAA don’t belive you ever will.
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Is that the flight ex Manchester? if it is I think it was operated by European Air Charter with their B747 as I saw it go out
earlier and it is due back mid afternoon
which is about the right flight times
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earlier and it is due back mid afternoon
which is about the right flight times
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Where has this information come from?
AAE deliberately removed the B747 from their AOC last week. Are you sure this isn't the story you're refering to?
The reason they removed the 747 is presumably so that Excel have no obligation to the 747 operation when the AOCs merge, thus allowing the 747 crews to be made redundant.
If there's something out there to back up this rumour could someone please post a link?
AAE deliberately removed the B747 from their AOC last week. Are you sure this isn't the story you're refering to?
The reason they removed the 747 is presumably so that Excel have no obligation to the 747 operation when the AOCs merge, thus allowing the 747 crews to be made redundant.
If there's something out there to back up this rumour could someone please post a link?
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old fart,
Your profile suggests you're a 747 Captain with AAI. So spill the beans please, where have you picked up this rumour that you're posting here as fact, or are you just trying to stir up some trouble?
Your profile suggests you're a 747 Captain with AAI. So spill the beans please, where have you picked up this rumour that you're posting here as fact, or are you just trying to stir up some trouble?
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Couple of questions
1 is it just the B747-200 as they are going to a rest home anyway
2 Who`s AOC do the B747 300 operate
ie The Travel Direct as they are still operating today
Note as posted before European Air Charter operated the Paphos fligth as it had the same flight No except prefixed with EAF
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1 is it just the B747-200 as they are going to a rest home anyway
2 Who`s AOC do the B747 300 operate
ie The Travel Direct as they are still operating today
Note as posted before European Air Charter operated the Paphos fligth as it had the same flight No except prefixed with EAF
G-I-B
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EAF operated EUK 476/7 today due late finish of mx on another a-c and damage to another caused by 3rd party whilst on ground
B747-200/300 are all operated on AAI AOC - will continue UFN for Travelcity (brokered by Excel Aviation)
Mix of AAE/AAI employed crews
NO G-REG B747; therefore no need to have AOC for same
Those are the facts..........
B747-200/300 are all operated on AAI AOC - will continue UFN for Travelcity (brokered by Excel Aviation)
Mix of AAE/AAI employed crews
NO G-REG B747; therefore no need to have AOC for same
Those are the facts..........
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Ah – things now make sense – the removal of a type is far different than the loss of an AOC – unless of course it’s the only type.
TT2 – this is the answer I got from the CAA Site :-
Do you have a list of AOC holders?
A list of AOC company names is held by the LIC. Company addresses can be found in the ‘Directory of British Aviation’.
Then some b*****d gave me some real work to do and the subject interested but didn’t concern me I didn’t chase further.
Hope the 74 crews get a transfer or find someone else who’ll give them a plane to play with
TT2 – this is the answer I got from the CAA Site :-
Do you have a list of AOC holders?
A list of AOC company names is held by the LIC. Company addresses can be found in the ‘Directory of British Aviation’.
Then some b*****d gave me some real work to do and the subject interested but didn’t concern me I didn’t chase further.
Hope the 74 crews get a transfer or find someone else who’ll give them a plane to play with
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Hi ATR
That is how far i got as well 
TT2 – this is the answer I got from the CAA Site :-Do you have a list of AOC holders?
A list of AOC company names is held by the LIC. Company addresses can be found in the ‘Directory of British Aviation’.
A list of AOC company names is held by the LIC. Company addresses can be found in the ‘Directory of British Aviation’.
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Well LIC stands for Library and Information Centre.
Don’t ask me why they can’t just call it the library.
If we ask for Directory of British Aviation it seems to give.
Who operates/owns UK airports?
See ‘Directory of British Aviation held in the LIC and also available in larger public libraries or http://fly.to/avinfo
I tried the link – whoever owns it wanted to sell me a Domain name – I have written to the CAA asking about this.
Cpt Airclues – about three minutes too late to stop above mail to CAA
– but thanks anyway 
– the link is now saved just in case I need it in future 
Don’t ask me why they can’t just call it the library.
If we ask for Directory of British Aviation it seems to give.
Who operates/owns UK airports?
See ‘Directory of British Aviation held in the LIC and also available in larger public libraries or http://fly.to/avinfo
I tried the link – whoever owns it wanted to sell me a Domain name – I have written to the CAA asking about this.
Cpt Airclues – about three minutes too late to stop above mail to CAA
– but thanks anyway – the link is now saved just in case I need it in future
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AAE looses UK AOC
Would some wise person explain to me what this actually means?
To lose something is to temporarily, or perhaps permanently, misplace something.
Hope that clears it up for you.