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By Telegraph I take it that you mean the Belfast Telegraph? (sorry couldn't resist).
Saying that Menzies are at the city airport whilst correct needs to be clarified, they have a cargo office their. Whilst they have been a sitting tenant for some time, when the airport authority outsourced aircraft handling they didn't go with Menzies but introduced a new contender (to them) Aviance, Menzies appear to be be very keen to capitalise on any opportunity available but didn't on this occasion.
Saying that Menzies are at the city airport whilst correct needs to be clarified, they have a cargo office their. Whilst they have been a sitting tenant for some time, when the airport authority outsourced aircraft handling they didn't go with Menzies but introduced a new contender (to them) Aviance, Menzies appear to be be very keen to capitalise on any opportunity available but didn't on this occasion.
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Tallseabird, nice one!!
When the City outsourced handling they did go to Menzies and if memory serves even had a couple of takeover dates but in the end a satisfactory deal just couldn`t be done so Aviance stepped in and took it over.
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I don`t think the loss of contract to Menzies Big Orange Handling company had as much to do with Aviance`s performance as it did with the fact that easy hold a 24% stake in that company. Anyone on here who has any of the inside info of the on time performance stats for the easy bases will know just how high up the table the Belfast team has consistantly been.
As always its just my opinion and I stand to be corrected.
When the City outsourced handling they did go to Menzies and if memory serves even had a couple of takeover dates but in the end a satisfactory deal just couldn`t be done so Aviance stepped in and took it over.
Kestrel
I don`t think the loss of contract to Menzies Big Orange Handling company had as much to do with Aviance`s performance as it did with the fact that easy hold a 24% stake in that company. Anyone on here who has any of the inside info of the on time performance stats for the easy bases will know just how high up the table the Belfast team has consistantly been.
As always its just my opinion and I stand to be corrected.
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you're way, way off the mark there Tower Ranger. Word on the street is that Aviance Management cocked up the Orange contract and the OTP big style. This resulted in an ultimatum which they ignored and consequently got binned.
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I thought the Easyjet/Menzies tie-up only applied to LTN?
The funny thing is that Easyjet brought Aviance(Reed Aviation) to BFS in the first place, who is it going to be in 7-8 years time? Surely it is better to work with your suppliers than change them, were Aviance irretrievable?
The funny thing is that Easyjet brought Aviance(Reed Aviation) to BFS in the first place, who is it going to be in 7-8 years time? Surely it is better to work with your suppliers than change them, were Aviance irretrievable?
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Just my tuppence worth....Aviance did in fact knock their socks off to try and reverse what most consider to be beyond recovery, in fact they are still doing it now despite knowing that EZY have gone.
A lot of good people with years of experience employed by Aviance at BFS...lets hope they have enough to keep going despite this significant loss, word is WW plan on increasing ops and the BD rumour is still circulating.
A lot of good people with years of experience employed by Aviance at BFS...lets hope they have enough to keep going despite this significant loss, word is WW plan on increasing ops and the BD rumour is still circulating.
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the boys in BFS have indicated that it the problems with Aviance were more at the top than with those on the ramp, although it took them a long time to get close to a quick turnaround on the airbus! If anything, Easyjet will be expanding in NI. Menzies will need staff..probably more than Aviance too. Same jobs, different uniform.
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Passenger cap at Belfast City
Following the recent media hype about the removal of the cap on passenger numbers at Belfast City Airport it seems to be buck passing time.
Details at,
www.nics.gov.uk/press/env/051025c-env.htm
Details at,
www.nics.gov.uk/press/env/051025c-env.htm
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word is WW plan on increasing ops and the BD rumour is still circulating
so despite Allmcc's firm convictions Baby are staying put??
What news of Bmi operating again from BFS?
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I don`t believe that I`m too far off the centreline in what I`ve said. Sure, the guys at the top may have taken their eye off the ball for a while but the people doing the work hadn`t. It seems to me that the decision to change handling agent was all but taken by ej before they served the improvement notice and this was just a ploy to ensure the summer period got as much attention as possible.
If a new handling agent, supported by the customer and (apparently) the airport, want to come in and operate at a loss how can any other company compete.
It would appear that some within ej and Bial thought they`d just get in Menzies and wipe out Aviance. I for one hope Aviance can regroup and prove them wrong as alot of good people have put in alot of hard work at Aldergrove from the early days of Reed Aviation to present.
I don`t believe that I`m too far off the centreline in what I`ve said. Sure, the guys at the top may have taken their eye off the ball for a while but the people doing the work hadn`t. It seems to me that the decision to change handling agent was all but taken by ej before they served the improvement notice and this was just a ploy to ensure the summer period got as much attention as possible.
If a new handling agent, supported by the customer and (apparently) the airport, want to come in and operate at a loss how can any other company compete.
It would appear that some within ej and Bial thought they`d just get in Menzies and wipe out Aviance. I for one hope Aviance can regroup and prove them wrong as alot of good people have put in alot of hard work at Aldergrove from the early days of Reed Aviation to present.
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Can't agree with that TR. During the summer there were regular instances where I sat on a bus at BFS and the hold doors were not even opened until we had been on the ground for 20mins. Hence poor OTP. The excuse was lack of staff..for that you can blame management. An improvement notice was served to stimulate an improvement. They aren't issued without very good reason. At the time the BFS stats were among the worst in the Orange network. Clearly there wasn't enough improvement.
In any case Aviance aren't going anywhere..they still have other contracts at BFS. Perhaps if they had paid a little more attention to their biggest one, this could've been avoided. Like I said before- Menzies=same jobs, different uniform and the Aviance top brass can now devote all their time to Bmibaby and alike.
In any case Aviance aren't going anywhere..they still have other contracts at BFS. Perhaps if they had paid a little more attention to their biggest one, this could've been avoided. Like I said before- Menzies=same jobs, different uniform and the Aviance top brass can now devote all their time to Bmibaby and alike.
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Thats very harsh, as a traveller my experiences of Easyjet at BFS are just fine, the communal check-in was a shock when I first saw it, but it has worked OK.
You can't lump all the Aviance top brass together, as with anything there is good and there is (was) bad.
You can't lump all the Aviance top brass together, as with anything there is good and there is (was) bad.
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Agree with Orangetree. There were days during the summer when we in ATC had to watch whilst aircraft literally backed up along taxiways...Hope none of those delays ever found their way to be attributable to NATS !!
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Thought for debate.
Do Easy and Low Cost Carriers not carry some responsibility in forcing handling rates down to a point where it is almost impossible for Handling Agents to perform (especially 20 min t/rs)
and then they themselves operate to a standard where they can return some small profit and be able to invest in equipment and pay their staff a competitive wage.
Also do they pay good attention to scheduling when increasing schedules? if not they they can be guilty of turning the screw on on - time performance for the same rates whilst overburdening the handling agent who either increases staff to cope (and therefore costs) or simply gets to the point where ground handling problems become the norm and impossible to avoid and then the agent gets it in the neck.
Do Easy and Low Cost Carriers not carry some responsibility in forcing handling rates down to a point where it is almost impossible for Handling Agents to perform (especially 20 min t/rs)
and then they themselves operate to a standard where they can return some small profit and be able to invest in equipment and pay their staff a competitive wage.
Also do they pay good attention to scheduling when increasing schedules? if not they they can be guilty of turning the screw on on - time performance for the same rates whilst overburdening the handling agent who either increases staff to cope (and therefore costs) or simply gets to the point where ground handling problems become the norm and impossible to avoid and then the agent gets it in the neck.
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Tomorrow's first flight to Blackpool with Jet2 from BFS sold out last month, according to PM.
More here
http://www.belfastairport.com/en/news.asp?id=234
More here
http://www.belfastairport.com/en/news.asp?id=234
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It's a pity PM doesn't seem to be able to count - according to my reckoning Jet 2 operate 5 not 6 routes from BFS including Blackpool. In any event, filling the first flight wouldn't have been difficult as the route has been on sale for a few weeks at low introductory fares.
The test will be whether it is sustainable over the winter months.
The test will be whether it is sustainable over the winter months.
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ALLMCC,
I was thinking the same, but since Murcia has been announced for sometime but not actually began yet.
Prague, Barcelona, Bournemouth, Leeds, Murcia and now Blackpool.
I was thinking the same, but since Murcia has been announced for sometime but not actually began yet.
Prague, Barcelona, Bournemouth, Leeds, Murcia and now Blackpool.