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After Air Berlin moving to BOH, Luchtzak report VLM will stop the BRU route although they are in talks with another airline to take the route over. VLM would want to retain a codesahre
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Does anyone out there know why Air Berlin are moving to BOH? If it is a space/ operational restrictions issue at SOU is it not about time the powers at SOU began to address these issues and start building for the future!
I can only imagine it is financial as communications to SOU are far superior. If this is the case is BOH selling its long term financial security for very short term gains???
I can only imagine it is financial as communications to SOU are far superior. If this is the case is BOH selling its long term financial security for very short term gains???
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Thanks for that Yankee!
Since runway length is an issue for Air Berlin and SOU have just lost a very reputable carrier because of this it does seem rather odd that SOU state in their Master plan that no extension to the runway is envisaged in the period to 2015 and beyond, although they do briefly mention about a stater strip. You would think that they would be exploring all possibilities to rectify this possibly very damaging shortfall.
Does anyone know any differently to the above or does anyone have any thoughts about how this problem could be rectified?
Since runway length is an issue for Air Berlin and SOU have just lost a very reputable carrier because of this it does seem rather odd that SOU state in their Master plan that no extension to the runway is envisaged in the period to 2015 and beyond, although they do briefly mention about a stater strip. You would think that they would be exploring all possibilities to rectify this possibly very damaging shortfall.
Does anyone know any differently to the above or does anyone have any thoughts about how this problem could be rectified?
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All this information was posted on the BOURNEMOUTH AIRPORT FORUM but as this has now been CLOSED by the Authorites.
So WHY do we have now a NEW SOUTHAMPTON Thread.
What is going on Admin........
One rule for one and another for anybody else.
So WHY do we have now a NEW SOUTHAMPTON Thread.
What is going on Admin........
One rule for one and another for anybody else.
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As there wasn't previous a Southampton thread, it makes sense... keeps everything in one place, where it is most relevent. Don't be too hard on the admin, they have a hard enough job with the number of posts on here. Yes, it is relevent to BOH too, but not so much...
As for the SOU runway, I believe the main problems there are simply surrounding a) the boundaries of the airport and the fact that the motorway is to the south as everyone knows, and that the railway yards to the north are still in use (The Alsthom site that was closed is not the yard closest to the airport) and b) the airport has strict controls placed upon it by the local council and one of those is, I believe, that the airport cannot extend the runway at the present time, without renegotiating the Agreement.
FF
As for the SOU runway, I believe the main problems there are simply surrounding a) the boundaries of the airport and the fact that the motorway is to the south as everyone knows, and that the railway yards to the north are still in use (The Alsthom site that was closed is not the yard closest to the airport) and b) the airport has strict controls placed upon it by the local council and one of those is, I believe, that the airport cannot extend the runway at the present time, without renegotiating the Agreement.
FF
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Southampton airport has been voted one of the top three airports in the world by the Daily Telegraph Travel Awards 2005 :
1. Changi Singaport
2. Dubai
3. Southampton
= Puerto Plata
5. Schiphol (AMS)
Good News!
1. Changi Singaport
2. Dubai
3. Southampton
= Puerto Plata
5. Schiphol (AMS)
Good News!
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Good news and long overdue recognition for the airport which until a few years ago, used a pre-WW2 hangar for the terminal building. Improvements there have been long awaited.
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i reckon the reason BAA don't want to extend the runway (they could if they really wanted to) is because they don't want an airport dilluting Heathrow and Gatwick. They bought SOU for this reason - to stunt it's growth. You only have to look at the amount of apron land they sold off to realise that...
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As I understand it the BAA bought SOU to extend its portfolio of airports and prove to big money investors and the markets that they could run a variety of airports from large ones like LHR through to small regional airports like SOU. I believe that the BAA have been caught by surprise at the speed of SOU's expansion and this has opened up a huge and previously untapped market.
The consequences of this expansion is that they are now faced with a HUGE!! bill to upgrade the infrastructure at SOU to a level which would allow SOU to embrace its markets. It now remains to be seen whether the BAA are committed to SOU or whether they will cut and run when faced with costs of expansion.
The consequences of this expansion is that they are now faced with a HUGE!! bill to upgrade the infrastructure at SOU to a level which would allow SOU to embrace its markets. It now remains to be seen whether the BAA are committed to SOU or whether they will cut and run when faced with costs of expansion.
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VLM operate SOU-BRU.
Re: the runway, like any business, BAA would have to weigh up the cost of extending it against the return on their investment, and seeing as it's not the limiting factor in the airports growth, then it would seem pointless touching the runway when other areas are more important.
flyBE will be operating the EMB195 out of SOU when it arrives which has a good payload/range combination off the existing runway, while 737/A320/757 can all operate from SOU to a large number of European destinations. Apart maybe from a starter strip, I doubt BAA will touch the runway, but frankly, I don't think they need to particularly.
The comment about the land that was sold is misinformed too... fact of the matter is that a previous MD was not as forward looking as his successor, and allowed it to happen at a time when BA were the major airline at SOU and the growth the place has had in the last few years was still a pipe dream. Since he was replaced, BAA have actually BOUGHT land in the NE corner of the airfield.
Be interesting to see how the new MD takes the place forward.
Re: the runway, like any business, BAA would have to weigh up the cost of extending it against the return on their investment, and seeing as it's not the limiting factor in the airports growth, then it would seem pointless touching the runway when other areas are more important.
flyBE will be operating the EMB195 out of SOU when it arrives which has a good payload/range combination off the existing runway, while 737/A320/757 can all operate from SOU to a large number of European destinations. Apart maybe from a starter strip, I doubt BAA will touch the runway, but frankly, I don't think they need to particularly.
The comment about the land that was sold is misinformed too... fact of the matter is that a previous MD was not as forward looking as his successor, and allowed it to happen at a time when BA were the major airline at SOU and the growth the place has had in the last few years was still a pipe dream. Since he was replaced, BAA have actually BOUGHT land in the NE corner of the airfield.
Be interesting to see how the new MD takes the place forward.
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Forest flyer is right.
Hasn't Eastleigh has been owned by BAA for years indirectly, the previous operators were Airports UK which was a division of BAA?
Can't see why runway length is much of a factor when a fully-laden 757 or 320 can depart SOU to the canaries and south med? The 146-300 doesn't have a great power-weight ratio which hinder's that particular a/c's performance out of SOU. As a/c get newer and better strip length is less of a hinderance, take the E-195.
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Hasn't Eastleigh has been owned by BAA for years indirectly, the previous operators were Airports UK which was a division of BAA?
Can't see why runway length is much of a factor when a fully-laden 757 or 320 can depart SOU to the canaries and south med? The 146-300 doesn't have a great power-weight ratio which hinder's that particular a/c's performance out of SOU. As a/c get newer and better strip length is less of a hinderance, take the E-195.
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...think you will find that the furthest a 75' or 320 went direct from SOU is/was MAH/PMI. The TFS flights (last op'd by Spanair on the 320) used to tech-stop southbound, I think at NTE (Nantes).
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Air Berlin stated that they are moving to BOH due to the length of the runway at SOU. They couldn't operate a fully laden 737 out of SOU. It's also the reason why the First Choice charters to Faro operate via BOH.
If BAA extended the runway then they may attract airlines away from BOH. Ofcourse the charges would have to drop as well!
If BAA extended the runway then they may attract airlines away from BOH. Ofcourse the charges would have to drop as well!
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Caught a snippet on local (Meridian) news last night of residents under the flighpath taking video footage of aircraft over their houses - but missed the actual story - anyone enlighten me?
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It would appear that the competition between SOU and BOH is really starting to hot up! BOH have managed to lure some of the charters and Air Berlin away from SOU but SOU is still performing very well in the scheduled market. It just remains to be seen which airport will commit to serious investment in their infrastucture first because it really could be a case of winner takes all!