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Flybe have today announced a 4 times weekly service to Galway starting 16/12. Also, advertised in today's local paper is a service to Nice for summer '07.
This on top of Hannover, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam & possibly Innsbruck.
Is there no stopping them?
This on top of Hannover, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam & possibly Innsbruck.
Is there no stopping them?
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i open this thread with bad news : balkan holidays has pulled its weekly summer charter to varna from SOU. bh air will no longer visit eastleigh, for the next summer, neither.
shame SOU isnt able to keep and develope more charters to the sun spots.
shame SOU isnt able to keep and develope more charters to the sun spots.
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I am afraid that this is a sad reflection on the BAA's management policy at Southampton. They are not going to lose any sleep over losing a charter as the airport struggles to handle anything much bigger than a 146/F100 etc which is a sorry state of affairs in this day & age. Having a busy charter programme would only highlight the short comings of the infrastructure and investment required at Southampton and all this despite the fact that at the weekends especially the traffic movements are fairly low. There will come a time in the future when BOH will pose a serious threat to Southampton and the first airport to a make a serious investment in their future will be in aposition where "winner takes all"!
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Is there room to extend the runway at SOU?
At present the departure lounge desperately needs extending, was down that was a few months ago and it was choca with no delays on the screens
At present the departure lounge desperately needs extending, was down that was a few months ago and it was choca with no delays on the screens
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In answer to your question, "yes" it is technically possible to extend the runway. After years of denying that it could be done "due to planning restrictions" the local BAA management appear to have finally read their agreement with the planning authorities and worked it out.
In an apparent move to get quick planning consent for re-development of the airport in the early 90's, BAA voluntarily entered into an environmental agreement with local planning authorities. This had the effect of severely restricting night flights (ie between about 2300/0600) thereby stopping the airport operating 24/7, curtailing training flights and banning the early generation of jets.
Also built in to the agreement were a number of runway development measures. The intent was, and still is, that the runway should not be extended or re-aligned. However, recognising that BAA could appeal against this restriction, the agreement specifies that if an appeal was ever made any extension would not result in a runway of 2000 metres. So technically no problem with planning.
An extension to the south is not practicable due to the M27 and the large hill, which would negate any increased TORA. Extension to the north is practicable but not going to be cheap. There is the rail marshalling yard and the big sheds to remove, probably re-align Campbell Road, which runs through between the yard and the sheds and re-align the rail loop which runs south of Campbell Road to enable trains to be turned around for usae on the adjacent main line. I also suspect that it will also involve demolition of a number of houses at the west end of Campbell Road. Technically possible, but have BAA got the balls to do it?
Something that may force them to make a decision is the fact that the runway currently operates on the absolute minimum end safety areas. They have 90 metres each end, but the CAA/ICAO recommended is 240 metres. Consequently, if another overrun is experienced (remember the Citation on the M27?) and it is not contained within the airport, CAA will probably mandate the full 240 metres. The result will be to either reduce declared distances or displace the runway northwards. The first option will put the airport out of business, so about time to start working on the second?
In answer to your question, "yes" it is technically possible to extend the runway. After years of denying that it could be done "due to planning restrictions" the local BAA management appear to have finally read their agreement with the planning authorities and worked it out.
In an apparent move to get quick planning consent for re-development of the airport in the early 90's, BAA voluntarily entered into an environmental agreement with local planning authorities. This had the effect of severely restricting night flights (ie between about 2300/0600) thereby stopping the airport operating 24/7, curtailing training flights and banning the early generation of jets.
Also built in to the agreement were a number of runway development measures. The intent was, and still is, that the runway should not be extended or re-aligned. However, recognising that BAA could appeal against this restriction, the agreement specifies that if an appeal was ever made any extension would not result in a runway of 2000 metres. So technically no problem with planning.
An extension to the south is not practicable due to the M27 and the large hill, which would negate any increased TORA. Extension to the north is practicable but not going to be cheap. There is the rail marshalling yard and the big sheds to remove, probably re-align Campbell Road, which runs through between the yard and the sheds and re-align the rail loop which runs south of Campbell Road to enable trains to be turned around for usae on the adjacent main line. I also suspect that it will also involve demolition of a number of houses at the west end of Campbell Road. Technically possible, but have BAA got the balls to do it?
Something that may force them to make a decision is the fact that the runway currently operates on the absolute minimum end safety areas. They have 90 metres each end, but the CAA/ICAO recommended is 240 metres. Consequently, if another overrun is experienced (remember the Citation on the M27?) and it is not contained within the airport, CAA will probably mandate the full 240 metres. The result will be to either reduce declared distances or displace the runway northwards. The first option will put the airport out of business, so about time to start working on the second?
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Well put!
It is high time BAA started looking at the re-development of Southampton phase 2 before the airlines start looking else where for airports that show more commitment to the future, or is it just possible that BAA would rather spend their money elsewhere?
Well put!
It is high time BAA started looking at the re-development of Southampton phase 2 before the airlines start looking else where for airports that show more commitment to the future, or is it just possible that BAA would rather spend their money elsewhere?
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Well at BHD the BEE997 to SOU is being allowed to operate now (earlier ATC has advised them that SOU was closed due to an incident), so im guessing things are alright now.
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Last aircraft to land would appear to be the BE887 from GLA at 1806, nothing since then.
EDIT: Eastern from NCL landed 1856 everything back to normal it would appear.
EDIT: Eastern from NCL landed 1856 everything back to normal it would appear.
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traffic appears to be moving again according to the website so the problem must be sorted. I'm sure one of the local lads will be able to let us know whats happened later
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Southampton Closure
Flybe E145 with a nose gear steering failure while
backtrackng for departure..Nose gear off the pavement
and aircraft had to be towed back to stand. Passengers
taken off by bus from runway. Re opened for flying at
1844L.
backtrackng for departure..Nose gear off the pavement
and aircraft had to be towed back to stand. Passengers
taken off by bus from runway. Re opened for flying at
1844L.
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did any flights get divered to BOH?
There were also a couple of Flybe DHC8 diversions to BOH this morning due to the fog at SOU.
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Southampton
On the SOU website it has flyglobespan as the operator of the Dublin service 
is this a mistake?
Are flybe going to do Angers soon? It has this listed on the SOU website and the flybe city guide. This is the only route Eastern have left themselves
are they going to last much longer from SOU?
flybe are slowly becoming the only operator out of SOU
is this a mistake?Are flybe going to do Angers soon? It has this listed on the SOU website and the flybe city guide. This is the only route Eastern have left themselves
are they going to last much longer from SOU?flybe are slowly becoming the only operator out of SOU
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The march of progress at Southampton is fairly clear in the crystal ball. Flybe's strategy is plain to see here and elsewhere. See my post #354 on the Bournemouth thread in November. Flybe have pushed virtually all the competition out of Southampton airport over the last 4 years.
Eastern are staring to fight back, but not on the south coast, their days are numbered at SOU unless they change tack pronto.
...But good old Ryanair have spotted the opening, have upped BOH - PIK to double daily from April, reintroduced BOH - Nantes for the summer and already started naming Flybe as a high priced competitor in their PR. Only a matter of time before a BOH - EDI. and probably a BOH - BHD from FR.
But Southampton will continue to thrive, relying on stronger competition from elsewhere to keep the fares down.. I still think Air France won't last the pace though, a codeshare with Flybe probably on the cards for SOU -CDG.
Eastern are staring to fight back, but not on the south coast, their days are numbered at SOU unless they change tack pronto.
...But good old Ryanair have spotted the opening, have upped BOH - PIK to double daily from April, reintroduced BOH - Nantes for the summer and already started naming Flybe as a high priced competitor in their PR. Only a matter of time before a BOH - EDI. and probably a BOH - BHD from FR.
But Southampton will continue to thrive, relying on stronger competition from elsewhere to keep the fares down.. I still think Air France won't last the pace though, a codeshare with Flybe probably on the cards for SOU -CDG.