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Inkjet zzzzzzzzzzz
Check your posts this time last year - you said the same thing. Hasn't the penny dropped yet that there is room for both LBA AND DSA. Did the passenger numbers last summer not teach you anything. And why this obsession with the weather? What was the diversion rate last year - 50 from 15,000? Weren't 10 of those when the Airbus had its moment back in May?
If you've got a genuine interest in LBA going somewhere - kick your mates at bmi up the a**e.
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Check your posts this time last year - you said the same thing. Hasn't the penny dropped yet that there is room for both LBA AND DSA. Did the passenger numbers last summer not teach you anything. And why this obsession with the weather? What was the diversion rate last year - 50 from 15,000? Weren't 10 of those when the Airbus had its moment back in May?
If you've got a genuine interest in LBA going somewhere - kick your mates at bmi up the a**e.
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3m won't happen unless more routes are announced for 06, I don't think there is much debate over that. Rolling 12month passenger numbers are likely to dip below 2.6m in the first few months of 06 as a result of the lighter Jet2 winter schedule, but there is a significant amount of growth in the form of new services, frequency upgrades or capacity increases from the end of March onwards that will support growth to between 2.8m and 2.9m. The masterplan actually predicts 3.1m as the 2006 number which seems particularly ambitious - i.e. net growth of 0.5m in 9 months.
On ski-flights, if skis don't fit in the Fokker70 why have they used this a/c every year for the past x number of years? Why have you omitted the Chambery flights (both IT and scheduled) from your list? What are the volumes for seat-only vs IT for Ski-destinations?
I've given you data on the diversion rate before so I'm confused why you still have the misconception that it's a major issue. That is not to say that if the airport make good on their masterplan objectives to upgrade 14 to CATII and squeeze some more LDA out of 32 that things couldn't improve further.
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3m won't happen unless more routes are announced for 06, I don't think there is much debate over that. Rolling 12month passenger numbers are likely to dip below 2.6m in the first few months of 06 as a result of the lighter Jet2 winter schedule, but there is a significant amount of growth in the form of new services, frequency upgrades or capacity increases from the end of March onwards that will support growth to between 2.8m and 2.9m. The masterplan actually predicts 3.1m as the 2006 number which seems particularly ambitious - i.e. net growth of 0.5m in 9 months.
On ski-flights, if skis don't fit in the Fokker70 why have they used this a/c every year for the past x number of years? Why have you omitted the Chambery flights (both IT and scheduled) from your list? What are the volumes for seat-only vs IT for Ski-destinations?
I've given you data on the diversion rate before so I'm confused why you still have the misconception that it's a major issue. That is not to say that if the airport make good on their masterplan objectives to upgrade 14 to CATII and squeeze some more LDA out of 32 that things couldn't improve further.
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LBA, poor ski flight provision?
I count up 8x weekly to Geneva and 3-5x weekly to Chambery with Jet2. OK, we only have 2 IT service to Innsbruck and Chambery.
For a quick, rough comparison. EMA has 10xGeneva and 5 IT. NCL has 7x Geneva with EZY and 4 IT.
Given that both are substantially larger regional airports than LBA then the LBA provision stacks up very well.
Why are ski punters dependent on IT services? They manage to do DIY summer holidays to Malaga with ease. Why should they suddenly turn to packages for ski-trips?
...and scrap the LBA bad weather story it's repeated endlessly in the local press etc but have you stopped to check the facts. These days we lose far fewer flights to bad weather than 10 years ago. Sure we get a day that goes pear-shaped here and there but there are 360+ other days that get along just fine.
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LBA, poor ski flight provision?
I count up 8x weekly to Geneva and 3-5x weekly to Chambery with Jet2. OK, we only have 2 IT service to Innsbruck and Chambery.
For a quick, rough comparison. EMA has 10xGeneva and 5 IT. NCL has 7x Geneva with EZY and 4 IT.
Given that both are substantially larger regional airports than LBA then the LBA provision stacks up very well.
Why are ski punters dependent on IT services? They manage to do DIY summer holidays to Malaga with ease. Why should they suddenly turn to packages for ski-trips?
...and scrap the LBA bad weather story it's repeated endlessly in the local press etc but have you stopped to check the facts. These days we lose far fewer flights to bad weather than 10 years ago. Sure we get a day that goes pear-shaped here and there but there are 360+ other days that get along just fine.
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Thomas Cook have added a second flight to Corfu for summer 2006.
The new flight will be operated by the Based Astraeus Boeing 737-700 on Friday nights instead of going to Tenerife for Airtours.
Airtours Holidays have now got in-house airline My Travel Airways to operate the Friday Tenerife service instead. Well thats only acordding to the airtours website as the LBA website is no longer showing the service.
So has the Tenerife Friday night service been axed or Not???
Thomas Cook have added a second flight to Corfu for summer 2006.
The new flight will be operated by the Based Astraeus Boeing 737-700 on Friday nights instead of going to Tenerife for Airtours.
Airtours Holidays have now got in-house airline My Travel Airways to operate the Friday Tenerife service instead. Well thats only acordding to the airtours website as the LBA website is no longer showing the service.
So has the Tenerife Friday night service been axed or Not???
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Good news about the extra CFU. Just noticed that the Airtours PMI on Saturdays is now a morning departure with AEA. Does anyone have the full AEU programme for this Summer? Is it now 16 flights a week?
The poor old LBIA website is as reliable as ever i'm afraid. Atlantic Holidays restart their FNC flights on Monday 20th Feb with AEU but not a word about this on the charters page. Take a look at the AEU arrival and departures times aswell... there all over the place.
The poor old LBIA website is as reliable as ever i'm afraid. Atlantic Holidays restart their FNC flights on Monday 20th Feb with AEU but not a word about this on the charters page. Take a look at the AEU arrival and departures times aswell... there all over the place.
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Inkjet - looking at the UK pax data for Feb-2005, it looks like IT passenger volumes to ski destinations was around 300k. Passenger volumes on scheduled services to destinations serving the main ski regions was around 400k. Clearly almost everyone on the IT flights will be going ski-ing whereas a proportion of the scheduled traffic won't be. Depending on what % of the scheduled traffic is non-ski will determine whether IT or seat-only has the lions share. Certainly the seasonal scheduled services that Jet2 run to GVA and CMF are almost exclusively aimed at the ski market and this being their third winter operating such flights, they obviously feel there is a market there.
In terms of the 3m - yes, as I said, it will need more routes. Roughly speaking, I think they'll need about 15-20,000 extra passengers a month through the door between April and December over and above what has already been announced. Depending on size of a/c and frequency of operation a new route could generate monthly passenger volumes of anywhere between 500 (1 x weekly Bergerac) and 10,000 (daily Ryanair to Europe). As they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you are suggesting that bmi might add another Embraer, then that should generate around 4,000 passengers a month - unless of course its a swap for the A319 on the LHR which I wouldn't put past them!
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In terms of the 3m - yes, as I said, it will need more routes. Roughly speaking, I think they'll need about 15-20,000 extra passengers a month through the door between April and December over and above what has already been announced. Depending on size of a/c and frequency of operation a new route could generate monthly passenger volumes of anywhere between 500 (1 x weekly Bergerac) and 10,000 (daily Ryanair to Europe). As they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you are suggesting that bmi might add another Embraer, then that should generate around 4,000 passengers a month - unless of course its a swap for the A319 on the LHR which I wouldn't put past them!
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Heres a review off the 44 charter flights currently on sale at the moment by the main tour operators for the Summer 2006 programme from Leeds/Bradford Airport.
Mondays
01,Reus 05:20 AEU901 11:40 AEU902 B737-700
02,Palma 07:05 TOM3347 13:10 TOM3348 B767-200/B757-200
03,Dalaman 09:55 XQ161 08:55 XQ160 B737-800
04,Funchal 12:50 AEU55 23:55 AEU552 B737-700
05,Cyprus Paphos 14:50 TOM1551 01:05* TOM1552 B767-200/B757-200
06,Bourgas 19:10 BGH5576 18:10 BGH5575 A320
Tuesdays
07,Alicante 07:00 TOM1391 13:10 TOM1392 B767-200/B757-200
08,Palma 07:05 AEU917 13:05 AEU918 B737-700
09,Heraklion 14:10 AEU931 23:40 AEU932 B737-700
10,Tenerife South 14:40 TOM6163 00:25* TOM6164 B767-200/B757-200
11,Malta Luqa 17:50 KMC5209 17:00 KMC5208 A320
Wednesdays
12,Mahon 07:30 TOM3133 13:40 TOM3134 B767-200/B757-200
13,Rhodes 08:00 AEU933 17:35 AEU934 B737-700
14,Bodrum 10:00 FRE--- 09:00 FRE--- MD83/A320
15,Fuerteventura 13:30 LTE377 12:30 LTE376 A320
16,Varna 15:10 TOM4673 23:20 TOM4674 B767-200/B757-200
Thursdays
17,Faro 06:00 AEU935 12:40 AEU936 B737-700
18,Palma 07:30 TOM5633 21:20 TOM5634 B767-200/B757-200
19,Arrecife 13:10 LTE908 12:10 LTE907 A320
20,Zakynthos 13:55 AEU907 21:50 AEU908 B737-700
21,Arrecife 14:50 IWD3360 13:50 IWD3359 A320
22,Faro 16:05 FCA2412 13:50 FCA2411 A320
Fridays
23,Ibiza 05:30 AEU923 11:30 AEU924 B737-700
24,Corfu 07:00 TOM6243 14:40 TOM6244 B767-200/B757-200
25,Dalaman 10:25 PGT488 09:30 PGT487 B737-800
26,Mahon 12:30 AEU937 18:30 AEU938 B737-700
27,Tenerife South 13:00 AEA208 12:00 AEA207 B737-800
28,Dalaman 16:10 TOM3193 01:45* TOM3194 B767-200/B757-200
29,Tenerife South 19:30 MYT351 05:10* MYT352 A320
30,Corfu 19:00 AEU--- 03:55* AEU--- B737-700
Saturdays
31,Verona 06:15 AEU581 11:20 AEU582 B737-700
32,Reus 06:50 TOM4973 12:20 TOM4974 B767-200/B757-200
33,Palma 08:45 AEA328 07:45 AEA327 B737-800
34,Alicante 12:20 AEU925 18:30 AEU926 B737-700
35,Malaga 13:50 TOM6051 20:50 TOM6052 B767-200/B757-200
36,Palma 16:45 JKK3328 15:50 JKK3327 MD83
37,Innsbruck 19:10 OS2375 18:30 OS2374 CRJ500
38,Las Palmas 20:15 AEU953 06:00* AEU954 B737-700
39,Ibiza 22:25 TOM3353 04:40* TOM3354 B767-200/757-200
Sundays
40,Palma 07:05 TOM3011 21:00 TOM3012 B767-200/B757-200
41,Malaga 08:00 AEU941 14:50 AEU942 B737-700
42,Malta Luqa 13:30 FHE321 12:30 FHE320 MD90
43,Cyprus Larnaca 15:50 AEU955 04:15* AEU956 B737-700
44,Varna 19:30 BGH5544 18:30 BGH5543 A320
Mondays
01,Reus 05:20 AEU901 11:40 AEU902 B737-700
02,Palma 07:05 TOM3347 13:10 TOM3348 B767-200/B757-200
03,Dalaman 09:55 XQ161 08:55 XQ160 B737-800
04,Funchal 12:50 AEU55 23:55 AEU552 B737-700
05,Cyprus Paphos 14:50 TOM1551 01:05* TOM1552 B767-200/B757-200
06,Bourgas 19:10 BGH5576 18:10 BGH5575 A320
Tuesdays
07,Alicante 07:00 TOM1391 13:10 TOM1392 B767-200/B757-200
08,Palma 07:05 AEU917 13:05 AEU918 B737-700
09,Heraklion 14:10 AEU931 23:40 AEU932 B737-700
10,Tenerife South 14:40 TOM6163 00:25* TOM6164 B767-200/B757-200
11,Malta Luqa 17:50 KMC5209 17:00 KMC5208 A320
Wednesdays
12,Mahon 07:30 TOM3133 13:40 TOM3134 B767-200/B757-200
13,Rhodes 08:00 AEU933 17:35 AEU934 B737-700
14,Bodrum 10:00 FRE--- 09:00 FRE--- MD83/A320
15,Fuerteventura 13:30 LTE377 12:30 LTE376 A320
16,Varna 15:10 TOM4673 23:20 TOM4674 B767-200/B757-200
Thursdays
17,Faro 06:00 AEU935 12:40 AEU936 B737-700
18,Palma 07:30 TOM5633 21:20 TOM5634 B767-200/B757-200
19,Arrecife 13:10 LTE908 12:10 LTE907 A320
20,Zakynthos 13:55 AEU907 21:50 AEU908 B737-700
21,Arrecife 14:50 IWD3360 13:50 IWD3359 A320
22,Faro 16:05 FCA2412 13:50 FCA2411 A320
Fridays
23,Ibiza 05:30 AEU923 11:30 AEU924 B737-700
24,Corfu 07:00 TOM6243 14:40 TOM6244 B767-200/B757-200
25,Dalaman 10:25 PGT488 09:30 PGT487 B737-800
26,Mahon 12:30 AEU937 18:30 AEU938 B737-700
27,Tenerife South 13:00 AEA208 12:00 AEA207 B737-800
28,Dalaman 16:10 TOM3193 01:45* TOM3194 B767-200/B757-200
29,Tenerife South 19:30 MYT351 05:10* MYT352 A320
30,Corfu 19:00 AEU--- 03:55* AEU--- B737-700
Saturdays
31,Verona 06:15 AEU581 11:20 AEU582 B737-700
32,Reus 06:50 TOM4973 12:20 TOM4974 B767-200/B757-200
33,Palma 08:45 AEA328 07:45 AEA327 B737-800
34,Alicante 12:20 AEU925 18:30 AEU926 B737-700
35,Malaga 13:50 TOM6051 20:50 TOM6052 B767-200/B757-200
36,Palma 16:45 JKK3328 15:50 JKK3327 MD83
37,Innsbruck 19:10 OS2375 18:30 OS2374 CRJ500
38,Las Palmas 20:15 AEU953 06:00* AEU954 B737-700
39,Ibiza 22:25 TOM3353 04:40* TOM3354 B767-200/757-200
Sundays
40,Palma 07:05 TOM3011 21:00 TOM3012 B767-200/B757-200
41,Malaga 08:00 AEU941 14:50 AEU942 B737-700
42,Malta Luqa 13:30 FHE321 12:30 FHE320 MD90
43,Cyprus Larnaca 15:50 AEU955 04:15* AEU956 B737-700
44,Varna 19:30 BGH5544 18:30 BGH5543 A320
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All very strange regarding the Tenerife flight for Direct holidays (also MYT) on a Friday. In the first brochures there wasn't a flight by AEU at 1930. Then it appeared, so I rebooked onto that flight. I then received a letter from Direct Holidays at the end of November syaing my flight had changed to a AEU flight at 19:30, which is actually what I booked. Now it is stated that the AUE is going to CORFU and replaced by a MYT at the same times???
The only possibility is that the CORFU AEU flight finishes on 21/9 so maybe when I go in October it is back as an AEU?????
The only possibility is that the CORFU AEU flight finishes on 21/9 so maybe when I go in October it is back as an AEU?????
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Looks like the gain of the Corfu is unfortunately at the expense of Thomas Cook pulling their allocation on the SO6 Larnaca on to the soon to be announced Helios scheduled Larnaca out of Doncaster
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Nope. TCX are in fact very well sold on the Sunday LBA-LCA and are not cutting back. If you can't find it on the system, it's probably because their allocation is full on dates in question.
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Yes I have now found it in the system. That means looking at a sample over a number of weeks, especially high season, their allocation looks to be fully booked from LBA. Perhaps this is maybe why they've decided to give it a go from Doncaster aswell.
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Goldtrail
Probably the biggest Independant UK tour operator to Turkey.
whole plane charters driven by price- you will have pax from all over Northern England and good potential for growth.
We @ BRS like them.
Nice people too!
Probably the biggest Independant UK tour operator to Turkey.
whole plane charters driven by price- you will have pax from all over Northern England and good potential for growth.
We @ BRS like them.
Nice people too!
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Thanks Bristolian...sounds promising then. Lets hope that not too many people read the Daily Mail this morning with their headline that anyone stupid enough to holiday in Turkey this year would surley catch bird flu! 
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Does anybody know who might operate this flight? Nothing on website yet but most flights seem to be operated by Monarch or Freebird. It does mention in plans to use other airlines such as Astraeus, there is a gap on a Wednesday in the AEU schedule so could they be doing it?
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Apparantly Freebird using an A320 will be operating the flight, don't see much of a gap in the AEU schedule for them to operate this flight, the aircraft has to have some downtime!
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Hi
Just recived some deatils about the New LBA - Turkey-Bodrum service for Goldtrail Holidays
The flights will infact be operated by Onur Air aircraft. Not as perviously said Freebird Airlines Airbus A320's. So it could be eaither be one of the following types that Onur air operate. 9 x Airbus A300's, 2 x Airbus A320's, 10 x Airbus A321's, & 6 x McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90
Just recived some deatils about the New LBA - Turkey-Bodrum service for Goldtrail Holidays
The flights will infact be operated by Onur Air aircraft. Not as perviously said Freebird Airlines Airbus A320's. So it could be eaither be one of the following types that Onur air operate. 9 x Airbus A300's, 2 x Airbus A320's, 10 x Airbus A321's, & 6 x McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90
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Should add another 8,000 or so to the pax numbers so another small step in the right direction.
Even by their own standards, the timetable for Jet2 is currently significantly below the available capacity offered by a based fleet of 10 so it remains to be seen whether they intend to add further routes or frequencies for the summer season. If the airport has any realistic chance of achieving their stated ambition of 3m pax in '06, this would be seem to present the best opportunity
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Even by their own standards, the timetable for Jet2 is currently significantly below the available capacity offered by a based fleet of 10 so it remains to be seen whether they intend to add further routes or frequencies for the summer season. If the airport has any realistic chance of achieving their stated ambition of 3m pax in '06, this would be seem to present the best opportunity
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682ft AMSL: Should add another 8,000 or so to the pax numbers so another small step in the right direction.
Even by their own standards, the timetable for Jet2 is currently significantly below the available capacity offered by a based fleet of 10 so it remains to be seen whether they intend to add further routes or frequencies for the summer season. If the airport has any realistic chance of achieving their stated ambition of 3m pax in '06, this would be seem to present the best opportunity
Even by their own standards, the timetable for Jet2 is currently significantly below the available capacity offered by a based fleet of 10 so it remains to be seen whether they intend to add further routes or frequencies for the summer season. If the airport has any realistic chance of achieving their stated ambition of 3m pax in '06, this would be seem to present the best opportunity
7 x B737-300's and 2 x B757-200's.
So where is the 10th LBA based machine coming from?? As all the exsisting fleet is acounted for at its other bases.
7 x B737-300's MAN (1 leased)
2 x B737-300'S NCL, BFS & BLK
1 x B737-300'S EDI