Ryanair Cork-Dublin/Gatwick from 24th November
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TheOddOne -Good news - replaces the easyJet flights ORK - LGW?
No i dont think so,more like fight us or get out!!
is this the first route for RYR that is going head to head with aer arann?? this should be fun,MOL i think always complained that cork wasnt competitive enough,now hes goin head to head with easy and Aer Arann,Excellent.
No i dont think so,more like fight us or get out!!
is this the first route for RYR that is going head to head with aer arann?? this should be fun,MOL i think always complained that cork wasnt competitive enough,now hes goin head to head with easy and Aer Arann,Excellent.
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Is it me or does anyone find it strange???
No announcements from FR about this??
Look at the time of the 1st flite out of ORK to DUB. 6.45am departure time.
To me this means 1 of two things.
1. FR are going basing at least one aircraft at ORK.
2. The timings of the 3 flites look remarkably like the timings of the old EI flites to DUB. They also did 3 flites a day.
So is this genuine or a website glitch maybe?
I for one hope it is real, more competition at ORK can only mean good things for us, the consumers....
No announcements from FR about this??
Look at the time of the 1st flite out of ORK to DUB. 6.45am departure time.
To me this means 1 of two things.
1. FR are going basing at least one aircraft at ORK.
2. The timings of the 3 flites look remarkably like the timings of the old EI flites to DUB. They also did 3 flites a day.
So is this genuine or a website glitch maybe?
I for one hope it is real, more competition at ORK can only mean good things for us, the consumers....
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Nothing on the RYR web site, but then again RYR have a new base at Doncaster according to this board!
Dublin to Cork takes 25 min, add 120min for check in and another 30min to leave Cork airport. Can you drive city to city in under 3 hours?
Dublin to Cork takes 25 min, add 120min for check in and another 30min to leave Cork airport. Can you drive city to city in under 3 hours?
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Yea, I did it in 2 hrs 20mins from Dublin airport to Brain Boru Square in Fermoy before but that was at like 1am or so!!!!
Depends on the time of the day, could be 2 1/2 hrs to 6 hrs to go ORK DUB!!!
Depends on the time of the day, could be 2 1/2 hrs to 6 hrs to go ORK DUB!!!
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Unfortunately, this move by Ryanair brings into clear focus the kind of inexperience there is now in the board of the new Cork Airport Authority.
If this is the best the Cork Airport Authority can achieve in their business dealings with Ryanair it looks like they may be better off trying to organise the horse race known as the Cork Airport Handicap due off any minute at Lepordstown!
Sure, Aer Arann have been blase to say the least in dealing with their passengers flying between Dublin and Cork. Their punctuality and diversion rate has at times been poor and I am being mild. In spite of their whining about it can anyone actually quote me a day and date when Aer Arann last completed a CAT2 approach to landing at Cork Airport?
However, Aer Arann are a significant Cork employer with many based pilots, cabin crew and engineers. They fly 9 flights a day between Cork and Dublin and to a lot of passengers, mainly the business type of passenger on an expense account, frequency is important and Aer Arann do give that sort of service.
easyJet have recently announced an increase in daily flights from Gatwick to Cork by adding an early afternoon flight to complement the early morning and nightime flight. Now, Cork Airport appears to have open arms for Ryanair to compete with easyJet on London Gatwick? 5 daily flights between Gatwick and Cork from both easyJet and Ryanair from late November!! This kind of frequency is obviously crazy and it is clearly unsustainable.
What is going on at Cork Airport? This is a bizarre and frightening state of affairs for Cork Airport. I could see a situation in six months time where easyJet might quit Gatwick to be followed very quickly indeed by Ryanair ending a Gatwick service too spinning a story that they were once again consolidating their flights back to Stansted due to high charges at Gatwick etc.
Crikey, if the Cork Airport Authority were to make a deal with Ryanair why did it not include one or more new continental services? Even Hahn or Chareroi would at least be new routes unlike both Dublin and Gatwick.
Sadly, the lack of aviation business experience shown here by the Cork Airport Authority is obvious. Is the board of the Cork Airport Authority totally out of it's depth in the aviation business? Look at all the stupid carry on over the airbridges. A gombeen TD(MP) had to be wheeled out to kick ass there to get things back on track! By the way, where is the second airbridge because I did not see it anywhere this morning?
If I was high up in both Aer Arann and easyJet I would be on the blower double quick time seeking meetings with the Cork Airport Authority as soon as possible.
Mind you, there is always the chance that the people at Cork might not answer the phones!
That might have something to do with work!
If this is the best the Cork Airport Authority can achieve in their business dealings with Ryanair it looks like they may be better off trying to organise the horse race known as the Cork Airport Handicap due off any minute at Lepordstown!
Sure, Aer Arann have been blase to say the least in dealing with their passengers flying between Dublin and Cork. Their punctuality and diversion rate has at times been poor and I am being mild. In spite of their whining about it can anyone actually quote me a day and date when Aer Arann last completed a CAT2 approach to landing at Cork Airport?
However, Aer Arann are a significant Cork employer with many based pilots, cabin crew and engineers. They fly 9 flights a day between Cork and Dublin and to a lot of passengers, mainly the business type of passenger on an expense account, frequency is important and Aer Arann do give that sort of service.
easyJet have recently announced an increase in daily flights from Gatwick to Cork by adding an early afternoon flight to complement the early morning and nightime flight. Now, Cork Airport appears to have open arms for Ryanair to compete with easyJet on London Gatwick? 5 daily flights between Gatwick and Cork from both easyJet and Ryanair from late November!! This kind of frequency is obviously crazy and it is clearly unsustainable.
What is going on at Cork Airport? This is a bizarre and frightening state of affairs for Cork Airport. I could see a situation in six months time where easyJet might quit Gatwick to be followed very quickly indeed by Ryanair ending a Gatwick service too spinning a story that they were once again consolidating their flights back to Stansted due to high charges at Gatwick etc.
Crikey, if the Cork Airport Authority were to make a deal with Ryanair why did it not include one or more new continental services? Even Hahn or Chareroi would at least be new routes unlike both Dublin and Gatwick.
Sadly, the lack of aviation business experience shown here by the Cork Airport Authority is obvious. Is the board of the Cork Airport Authority totally out of it's depth in the aviation business? Look at all the stupid carry on over the airbridges. A gombeen TD(MP) had to be wheeled out to kick ass there to get things back on track! By the way, where is the second airbridge because I did not see it anywhere this morning?
If I was high up in both Aer Arann and easyJet I would be on the blower double quick time seeking meetings with the Cork Airport Authority as soon as possible.
Mind you, there is always the chance that the people at Cork might not answer the phones!
That might have something to do with work!
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Tom,
It's good news that there is a continuing service 'twixt LGW & ORK during the Winter - last I heard easy were suspending all Eire flights - but as you say 5 rotations a day is unsustainable - more's the pity!
DUB-ORK? Well, on a Friday night, it took us 2 hours to get to Kildare from Dublin, there was still a nose-to-tail queue when we can out of the restaurant at 11 PM. I guess they're all off to their little weekend cottages in West Cork. It must take them most of the weekend just to get there & back.
Interesting to hear that airbridges are being installed after all - RYR won't use them anyway. What's wrong with a 90 second dash in the cold, biting wind, being lashed by stinging rain?
Cheers,
TheOddOne
It's good news that there is a continuing service 'twixt LGW & ORK during the Winter - last I heard easy were suspending all Eire flights - but as you say 5 rotations a day is unsustainable - more's the pity!
DUB-ORK? Well, on a Friday night, it took us 2 hours to get to Kildare from Dublin, there was still a nose-to-tail queue when we can out of the restaurant at 11 PM. I guess they're all off to their little weekend cottages in West Cork. It must take them most of the weekend just to get there & back.
Interesting to hear that airbridges are being installed after all - RYR won't use them anyway. What's wrong with a 90 second dash in the cold, biting wind, being lashed by stinging rain?
Cheers,
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Interesting to note that ORK-DUB will get even more competition from the middle of next year, but it won't be another air service! Irish Rail look like they finally will be able to offer an hourly service using new locos and rolling stock. The first train sets arrived recently with the rest to arrive over the coming six months. Advantage is 2.5 hour travel time, city centre to city centre. The appalling rail service to date has benefitted Aer Arann, but many commuters currently using air will most likely make the switch back to rail.
Interestingly, price wise the rail and air option are pretty similar.
Interestingly, price wise the rail and air option are pretty similar.
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Re: Tom "Unfortunately, this move by Ryanair brings into clear focus the kind of inexperience there is now in the board of the new Cork Airport Authority."
I think you are being a bit unfair in general. As someone who does fly to dublin on 'expenses' as you put it, I am far from impressed with the RE service offering to date. I do remember a time flying ORK-DUB on 732s and BAC1-11s with EI and in fact are constantly reminded of that fact everytime I board those luxurious ATRs. There is little doubt in my mind that the FR service to dublin will bring a welcome boost in service levels and a general reduction in flight costs. This is what competition is all about at the end of the day and is something that all businesses need to adapt to.
I think you are being a bit unfair in general. As someone who does fly to dublin on 'expenses' as you put it, I am far from impressed with the RE service offering to date. I do remember a time flying ORK-DUB on 732s and BAC1-11s with EI and in fact are constantly reminded of that fact everytime I board those luxurious ATRs. There is little doubt in my mind that the FR service to dublin will bring a welcome boost in service levels and a general reduction in flight costs. This is what competition is all about at the end of the day and is something that all businesses need to adapt to.
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You can bet that Ryanair know what Irish Rail's plan is for next year and an hourly train service from Cork to Dublin which would then give FR just the excuse they would need to quit DUB-ORK.
easyJet have given Cork Airport a massive boost with their committment from Gatwick to Cork. Has this been acknowledged by the Cork Airport Authority? Ryanair's intention with ORK-LGW is not just profit. They know sure well that by coming on the route the yield may collapse and like I suggested above we could be looking at a scenario in six months time where both easyJet and Ryanair are both gone from Gatwick - Cork.
Of all the routes to attract Ryanair to expand at Cork serving both Dublin and Gatwick is very suspicious and quite frightening and I fear a weak and inexperienced Cork Airport Authority has cocked up and did not know when it had things so good.
The Cork Airport Authority being a part of a Ryanair stunt is worth a photo or two in the papers but that is about it. Cork should have said 'No thanks!' to Ryanair. Why did Cork Airport not secure new routes from Ryanair? This is not difficult; for example, bmi baby are quitting EMA and Prestwick is there for the taking as the Loganair service from Glasgow is stagnant. Two opportunities there from England and Scotland alone?
No, FR Dublin and Gatwick from Cork is a cynical, frightening exercise and Cork Airport Authority's quest for cheap, short term publicity stunts like this serve no one except themselves.
Egoes again at Cork Airport?
easyJet have given Cork Airport a massive boost with their committment from Gatwick to Cork. Has this been acknowledged by the Cork Airport Authority? Ryanair's intention with ORK-LGW is not just profit. They know sure well that by coming on the route the yield may collapse and like I suggested above we could be looking at a scenario in six months time where both easyJet and Ryanair are both gone from Gatwick - Cork.
Of all the routes to attract Ryanair to expand at Cork serving both Dublin and Gatwick is very suspicious and quite frightening and I fear a weak and inexperienced Cork Airport Authority has cocked up and did not know when it had things so good.
The Cork Airport Authority being a part of a Ryanair stunt is worth a photo or two in the papers but that is about it. Cork should have said 'No thanks!' to Ryanair. Why did Cork Airport not secure new routes from Ryanair? This is not difficult; for example, bmi baby are quitting EMA and Prestwick is there for the taking as the Loganair service from Glasgow is stagnant. Two opportunities there from England and Scotland alone?
No, FR Dublin and Gatwick from Cork is a cynical, frightening exercise and Cork Airport Authority's quest for cheap, short term publicity stunts like this serve no one except themselves.
Egoes again at Cork Airport?
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Stall the ball lads, no need to get our knickers in a twist yet.......
No offical announcemnet etc has been made yet. Would be a severe case of Corks website jumping the gun on this one.
For instance, nothing on the site about the newly offically announce Cork to Newcastle route with Jet2??
I agree a bit what you are saying TTT. you feel the EZY are trying to make a go of the route. Who knows if they have a good run at Cork it mite lead them to opening other routes out of Cork.
FR on the other hand are solely after EZY on this one.
Maybe TTT you have some inside info that this is the case that it is definately happening or are you just going off of the website....
No offical announcemnet etc has been made yet. Would be a severe case of Corks website jumping the gun on this one.
For instance, nothing on the site about the newly offically announce Cork to Newcastle route with Jet2??
I agree a bit what you are saying TTT. you feel the EZY are trying to make a go of the route. Who knows if they have a good run at Cork it mite lead them to opening other routes out of Cork.
FR on the other hand are solely after EZY on this one.
Maybe TTT you have some inside info that this is the case that it is definately happening or are you just going off of the website....
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I'd heard a rumour about the Cork service at Dublin on Sunday. The Gatwick service however, I'd heard nothing about until it appeared in the schedules. Strangely Ryanair are also showing six flights a day between Cork and Stansted from the end of October and these do seem to be bookable.
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Yea, they have upped it to 6 daily for the winter.
The theory at the time that was promoted here at the time was that was an attempt to strangle EZY of the LGW route.
How wrong were we!!!!
FR instead have decided to play out the GO situation at Dublin a couple of years back and take on EZY head to head.
By my calculations, there will now be 14 flites a day to London.
Surely this wont last....
The theory at the time that was promoted here at the time was that was an attempt to strangle EZY of the LGW route.
How wrong were we!!!!
FR instead have decided to play out the GO situation at Dublin a couple of years back and take on EZY head to head.
By my calculations, there will now be 14 flites a day to London.
Surely this wont last....
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Such negativity Tom! Passengers will now benefit from competition on these routes from Cork to Dublin and Gatwick!
Ryanair's growing presence in Cork is to be welcomed. They've doubled the winter schedule to Stansted and introduced a new route to Liverpool which another carrier was unsuccessful on in the recent past.
Ryanair's growing presence in Cork is to be welcomed. They've doubled the winter schedule to Stansted and introduced a new route to Liverpool which another carrier was unsuccessful on in the recent past.
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Michael Cawley was in de paper this morning denying this story. Now, whether we believe him is a different matter.
I can't find it in the online edition, so no link I'm afraid.
I agree with the assessment that Irish Rail are the biggest threat to Aer Arann. In December they will be providing:-
Obviously, there will still be a large market for people who are connecting at Dublin Airport. Perhaps Aer Arann might consider trying to get the Aer Lingus codeshare back for the flights.
I can't find it in the online edition, so no link I'm afraid.
I agree with the assessment that Irish Rail are the biggest threat to Aer Arann. In December they will be providing:-
- 80% more trains
- 40% more seats
- 150% more first class seats
Obviously, there will still be a large market for people who are connecting at Dublin Airport. Perhaps Aer Arann might consider trying to get the Aer Lingus codeshare back for the flights.