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EU banned Onur Air
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Dear Sir/ Madam,
After an inappropriate action, Onur Air has been subject to a rather unfortunate and unfair treatment by Dutch Air and Sea Transport Authority - Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat and our flights to Netherlands are stopped for one month as of yesterday. Onur Air has been holding 50 percent of whole package holiday market in Netherlands as result of its long time satisfactory performance and commercial stability. We have a well-earned reputation in Netherlands as proven by millions of travallers and nearly all Dutch tourism organisations chosen us. The reason of the ban was reported to be the result of a technical problem on one of Onur Air's aircraft last week in Amsterdam, but statistically, it is reported that one airline has a technical delay everyday in Netherlands. In this case dozens of airlines should be stopped operating to Netherlands every month. Unfortunately, German DGCA has followingly stopped our operation to Germany without any event, just as a result of Netherlands's decision. We currently fly to 73 airports in Europe with our 25 aircraft since 14 years now. Our highest achievement awards from Airbus, Boeing and many tour-operators have been acknowledged by all authorities. We believe we have right to be treated equally and fairly with all other airlines in Europe under EASA regulations Yours Sincerely, Hamit Cankut Bagana President Onur Air Turkey
Yours Sincerely,
Hamit Cankut Bagana
President Onur Air
Turkey
note:copied from onur air web page www.onurair.com.tr
Dear Sir/ Madam,
After an inappropriate action, Onur Air has been subject to a rather unfortunate and unfair treatment by Dutch Air and Sea Transport Authority - Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat and our flights to Netherlands are stopped for one month as of yesterday. Onur Air has been holding 50 percent of whole package holiday market in Netherlands as result of its long time satisfactory performance and commercial stability. We have a well-earned reputation in Netherlands as proven by millions of travallers and nearly all Dutch tourism organisations chosen us. The reason of the ban was reported to be the result of a technical problem on one of Onur Air's aircraft last week in Amsterdam, but statistically, it is reported that one airline has a technical delay everyday in Netherlands. In this case dozens of airlines should be stopped operating to Netherlands every month. Unfortunately, German DGCA has followingly stopped our operation to Germany without any event, just as a result of Netherlands's decision. We currently fly to 73 airports in Europe with our 25 aircraft since 14 years now. Our highest achievement awards from Airbus, Boeing and many tour-operators have been acknowledged by all authorities. We believe we have right to be treated equally and fairly with all other airlines in Europe under EASA regulations Yours Sincerely, Hamit Cankut Bagana President Onur Air Turkey
Yours Sincerely,
Hamit Cankut Bagana
President Onur Air
Turkey
note:copied from onur air web page www.onurair.com.tr
Now I'm going to stir things up ...... do you have a problem with the Netherlands or are they the ones with a problem ? Hard hat on and heading for cover in Limbabwe .
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The funny thing is that Onur air is now transporting it's dutch passengers to and from belgium.
I would have thought the JAA would ban airlines as a whole, and not just the countries by itself.
The dutch CAA has by the way also banned Phuket air from its airspace recently.
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I would have thought the JAA would ban airlines as a whole, and not just the countries by itself.
The dutch CAA has by the way also banned Phuket air from its airspace recently.
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It's in situations such as this where there is an absolute case for joint EU action. How it can be that an airline can be unsafe, in the opinion of respected national regulatory bodies in some EU states, yet not in others defies comprehension. Are the Dutch, German, French and Swiss authorities especially prone to paranoia?
You would have thought that after the Flash Airlines incident things would have moved on a bit.
Also, defying all reason is why, according to Air Berlin.com, and various German press reports, the Turkish authorities feel they can deny German carriers access to Turkey to pick up passengers stranded as a result of the action against Onur Air. Is this the way in which a supposedly civilised, western, country that aspires to EU membership is supposed to operate?
You would have thought that after the Flash Airlines incident things would have moved on a bit.
Also, defying all reason is why, according to Air Berlin.com, and various German press reports, the Turkish authorities feel they can deny German carriers access to Turkey to pick up passengers stranded as a result of the action against Onur Air. Is this the way in which a supposedly civilised, western, country that aspires to EU membership is supposed to operate?
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As ATNotts pointed out, it was a bit over a year ago, Flash Airlines, a 737 crashing in the Red Sea of Sharm el-Sheikh killing all aboard. The Airline had been banned from some (German and Switzerland I believe) but not all European (French) airspace citing safety related issues.
As a result of the crash came a large, heated discussion regarding the sharing of such findings with other authorities within Europe and the world. It was argued that if the information would had been shared, the accident would have never happened. On the other hand, some airlines argued that this could develop as a means of discriminating against them.
IMHO, a European wide ban of Onur Air is therefore in order. I can understand the feelings of Mr. Bagana, but trust me Sir, that’s easier to take that to explain to the world that one of your aircraft crashed because it just was not safe!
As a result of the crash came a large, heated discussion regarding the sharing of such findings with other authorities within Europe and the world. It was argued that if the information would had been shared, the accident would have never happened. On the other hand, some airlines argued that this could develop as a means of discriminating against them.
IMHO, a European wide ban of Onur Air is therefore in order. I can understand the feelings of Mr. Bagana, but trust me Sir, that’s easier to take that to explain to the world that one of your aircraft crashed because it just was not safe!
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Onur Air is now opening a lawsuit against the Dutch Authorities because it couldn't provide "satisfactory information (read positive)" about the ban during an 11 hour meeting between Onur, Dutch and Turkish Authorities.
It was agreed that Dutch inspectors will travel to Instabul to discuss all safety aspects of the Onur a/c's. Onur however left the meeting before it was concluded.
It was agreed that Dutch inspectors will travel to Instabul to discuss all safety aspects of the Onur a/c's. Onur however left the meeting before it was concluded.
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Just to clarify the info; Dutch CAA and Turkish CAA held meeting and Onur rep. was waiting outside, he wanted an awnser straight away.... was told anwser would be given after meeting was over.... Onur rep left building (Not meeting since he was not in the meeting).
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most dodgy carrier in Europe i think! will NEVER travel on them.
couple of years ago while i was working on the ground at MAN they wanted us to pushback the aircraft despite one of the nose wheel tyres that had burst and shredded on landing being almost non existant! Cpt insisted for an hour so we just walked off. no reasoning with him.
eventually airfield ops got involved and forced him to buy a new tyre!
GOOD EH?
+VE, GR UP
couple of years ago while i was working on the ground at MAN they wanted us to pushback the aircraft despite one of the nose wheel tyres that had burst and shredded on landing being almost non existant! Cpt insisted for an hour so we just walked off. no reasoning with him.
eventually airfield ops got involved and forced him to buy a new tyre!
GOOD EH?
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He didn't,
It just sounds like he didn't want to be involved in something so plainly dangerous. Captains aren't immune from bad decision making just because they are captains. If you ask me it sounds like Flap43 used good CRM to possibly prevent a nasty situation from developing. Remember, flight safety is a team effort and sometimes us captains need saving from ourselves.
You don't need to be an airline pilot to know that certain bits missing/ U.S. on an aircraft means it is a no-go. Even the MEL states that obvious items required for despatch, like wings and wheels don't get an entry in the MEL.
I would be questioning the judgement of that captain (whichever airline he flys for).
Flap43, you can inform me of any defect you suspect on the ramp at Manchester and I will gladly listen. Keep up the good work.
PP
It just sounds like he didn't want to be involved in something so plainly dangerous. Captains aren't immune from bad decision making just because they are captains. If you ask me it sounds like Flap43 used good CRM to possibly prevent a nasty situation from developing. Remember, flight safety is a team effort and sometimes us captains need saving from ourselves.
You don't need to be an airline pilot to know that certain bits missing/ U.S. on an aircraft means it is a no-go. Even the MEL states that obvious items required for despatch, like wings and wheels don't get an entry in the MEL.
I would be questioning the judgement of that captain (whichever airline he flys for).
Flap43, you can inform me of any defect you suspect on the ramp at Manchester and I will gladly listen. Keep up the good work.
PP