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Manchester airport have just issused notice that inbound crews must use the pax channel and not cross over with outbound pax to get back to arrivals quicker ???
Why ?
Crews mix with inbound and outbound pax all the time and are the most security checked and trusted people at any airport.
Given that :
a temporary dispathcher who lived in Romania untill last year can go through inbound/outbound pax anytime unyet 'dislosure scotland' will not pick up anything on criminal history.
This is typical of jobsworth uk,
'the department of stupid ideas' justifying their jobs.
Why ?
Crews mix with inbound and outbound pax all the time and are the most security checked and trusted people at any airport.
Given that :
a temporary dispathcher who lived in Romania untill last year can go through inbound/outbound pax anytime unyet 'dislosure scotland' will not pick up anything on criminal history.
This is typical of jobsworth uk,
'the department of stupid ideas' justifying their jobs.
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Longstay Manchester is a class act all on its own, its hatred of crews is legendary. With no success on the terrorist threat they have decided to go for the next best thing in their small minded way....aircrew.
Now ID cards don't get me started!!!!
Richard Littlejohn where are you when we need you ....
"You really couldn't make it up"
Now ID cards don't get me started!!!!
Richard Littlejohn where are you when we need you ....
"You really couldn't make it up"
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It seems that if you are any form of aircrew, you have the ultimate knowledge in prevention of terrorism and how to organise security, I am sure that the regulatory authorities would be so grateful for your advice.
If you can spare the time from being god's gift to aviation and the ultimate prima donna's, spend a day with airport security and get some appreciation of how difficult it is to assess if someone or the items which they are carrying are a risk to aviation security and follow the regulations laid down.
I expect that none of you would be able to do this, but I would very, very happy to be proved wrong.
If you can spare the time from being god's gift to aviation and the ultimate prima donna's, spend a day with airport security and get some appreciation of how difficult it is to assess if someone or the items which they are carrying are a risk to aviation security and follow the regulations laid down.
I expect that none of you would be able to do this, but I would very, very happy to be proved wrong.
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I'll do it if you can get the security people to explain why my shoes are considered a lethal weapon which must be x-rayed. And don't tell me it's because of the shoe-bomber because he wasn't on his way to operate a flight.
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Niknac use your head, crews mix with inbound/outbound pax all the time - on the aeroplane.
Outbound crews (who have mixed with outbound pax) need to be able to talk to inbound crews (who have mixed with inbound pax) on the a/c to hand it over etc etc.
Crews are trusted with millions of pounds worth of equipment, duty free bars, yes, even the crash axe etc etc etc.
To suggest this is anything other than empire building by jobsworths is nonsense.
Outbound crews (who have mixed with outbound pax) need to be able to talk to inbound crews (who have mixed with inbound pax) on the a/c to hand it over etc etc.
Crews are trusted with millions of pounds worth of equipment, duty free bars, yes, even the crash axe etc etc etc.
To suggest this is anything other than empire building by jobsworths is nonsense.
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Don't start me on the various flaws I have spotted in my travels - & I won't repeat them here for obvious reasons!
Be sure, it is the same all over the world. It makes a good show on TV, that's all. No one wants an airport to be secure.
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Admittedly I don't know the setup at Manchester, but have you considered that this might be a requirement from a Control Authority, such as Customs, rather than Security?
At certain airports, Customs require all staff to exit through the Green Channel (NOT Blue) so that they can be examined as they pass to landside. That's not giving any secrets away - there are notices about which are/can be read by millions of passengers.
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The Odd One
At certain airports, Customs require all staff to exit through the Green Channel (NOT Blue) so that they can be examined as they pass to landside. That's not giving any secrets away - there are notices about which are/can be read by millions of passengers.
Cheers,
The Odd One
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The reason we are so sceptical is that there are different rules at different airports within the UK - and they are all operating to the same act of Parliament. We therefore raise an arched eyebrow each time we pass through Manchester.
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Utter rubbish, the airport is a joke.
Some total muppet has decided that we are now no longer allowed to use any of the inter-connecting doors within the pier system to get to the aircraft as we are not allowed to mix outbound crew with inbound passengers or crew.
Fanbloodytastic.
What a brilliantly well thought out rule.
So anyone care to let me know how I am supposed to hand over an aircraft to the next crew without contaminating them?
Sign language through the partition window?
I'm relieved in the fact that obviously this doesn't apply to cleaners at the airport who always use these doors...(must have been super-dooper security checked...)
...wheel chair guys meeting an inbound aircraft (couldn't have them lugging wheelies up and down stairs and getting a bad back and then taking the airport authority to court....(forget about all the cabin crew, their bags weigh tons, jammed full of paper work and bar takings.....etc
...or indeed ramp agents, the large proportion of which are young, college aged guys & girls who probably do a summer season and then leave.
Us....been here for years...and have been using this facility FOR YEARS......No...we are a ******* customs risk.
Total and utter rubbish.
Some total muppet has decided that we are now no longer allowed to use any of the inter-connecting doors within the pier system to get to the aircraft as we are not allowed to mix outbound crew with inbound passengers or crew.
Fanbloodytastic.
What a brilliantly well thought out rule.
So anyone care to let me know how I am supposed to hand over an aircraft to the next crew without contaminating them?
Sign language through the partition window?
I'm relieved in the fact that obviously this doesn't apply to cleaners at the airport who always use these doors...(must have been super-dooper security checked...)
...wheel chair guys meeting an inbound aircraft (couldn't have them lugging wheelies up and down stairs and getting a bad back and then taking the airport authority to court....(forget about all the cabin crew, their bags weigh tons, jammed full of paper work and bar takings.....etc
...or indeed ramp agents, the large proportion of which are young, college aged guys & girls who probably do a summer season and then leave.
Us....been here for years...and have been using this facility FOR YEARS......No...we are a ******* customs risk.
Total and utter rubbish.
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what happened to the days that when a crewmember was employed by a company he had to do a security check, was then issued with an I.D. and that allowed him to go airside. What are the I.D's purposes ...to obtain meal allowance or parking?
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1) there is an axe in the flightdeck.
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What a fu...ng idiot posting something like this
R u out of yr mind.....bang yr stupid head against the wall idiot
any idea what kind of nutheads r reading these posts........
I hope yr not working in the airline industry and if so they shud fire u on the spot
Even better....Moderator...can U plse lock all items ref security items....because any person discussing these kind of things shud be shot.....becuase they r idiots
1) there is an axe in the flightdeck.
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What a fu...ng idiot posting something like this
R u out of yr mind.....bang yr stupid head against the wall idiot
any idea what kind of nutheads r reading these posts........
I hope yr not working in the airline industry and if so they shud fire u on the spot
Even better....Moderator...can U plse lock all items ref security items....because any person discussing these kind of things shud be shot.....becuase they r idiots
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Suppie
Do think before you post. Your vitriol is not necessary, counter productive, rude and unnecessary.
There is an Axe on the flight deck. So what? It’s behind a security door, what about the carving knife in the 1st class galley, that heavy fire extinguisher and 02 bottle to batter people with etc etc? Oh
I have given the game away!
Get real and get some sense of proportion.
Do think before you post. Your vitriol is not necessary, counter productive, rude and unnecessary.
There is an Axe on the flight deck. So what? It’s behind a security door, what about the carving knife in the 1st class galley, that heavy fire extinguisher and 02 bottle to batter people with etc etc? Oh
I have given the game away!Get real and get some sense of proportion.
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Always makes me laugh that as an engineer I can go through security with a leatherman complete with 3in knife blade (and assorted other lovely items on it), yet they stop me when I take a fork to eat my dinner with 
I do agree with the guy's comments on posting abot stuff like the flightdeck axe, and other items onboard that could be misused, not exactly clever is it!
I do agree with the guy's comments on posting abot stuff like the flightdeck axe, and other items onboard that could be misused, not exactly clever is it!
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Not only are there fire axes, crowbars, and sundry other things
a terrorist could use behind the flight deck doors but the cockpit
also contains SHOCK HORROR the actual controls of the aircraft.
Yes, pilots control all of this stuff.
So to the simple minded security professionals and airport authorites out there, BACK OFF your ridiculous screening, patting
down, and idiotic interpretations of checking pilots, we will still
get control of all the world's aircraft no matter what you do.
FOOLS
a terrorist could use behind the flight deck doors but the cockpit
also contains SHOCK HORROR the actual controls of the aircraft.
Yes, pilots control all of this stuff.
So to the simple minded security professionals and airport authorites out there, BACK OFF your ridiculous screening, patting
down, and idiotic interpretations of checking pilots, we will still
get control of all the world's aircraft no matter what you do.
FOOLS
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You will see that MAN security is a bug bear of mine:
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Suppie, you sound like one of these left wing morons who is employed by the department of stupid idea's having studied the
"how to p*ss crews off and build an empire in one easy step book !"
Boofta, oh no, you let the cat out of the bag !, perhaps you shouldn't have said the "actual controls are in the flightdeck" - oh no, thoses security boffins will have to think of something to deny us access to the flightdeck, pehaps redesign the flightdeck so it's all soft and rubbery !
Suppie, get real fool.
"how to p*ss crews off and build an empire in one easy step book !"
Boofta, oh no, you let the cat out of the bag !, perhaps you shouldn't have said the "actual controls are in the flightdeck" - oh no, thoses security boffins will have to think of something to deny us access to the flightdeck, pehaps redesign the flightdeck so it's all soft and rubbery !
Suppie, get real fool.
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>>Boofta, oh no, you let the cat out of the bag !, perhaps you shouldn't have said the "actual controls are in the flightdeck" - oh no, thoses security boffins will have to think of something to deny us access to the flightdeck !
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Might the answer not be to have the automatic control system protected by a password system, so that even if wannabes gained access to the flight deck they'd need to know the security code before they could over-ride the autopilot and take manual control? Likewise, under manual control the pilot could be required to input a sequence of codes to the keypad at random intervals otherwise the system would revert to automatic control.
That would stop any hi-jacker taking over control!
To obviate threats to the crew to divert from the planned route the code sequence could include a hidden lock code which would render further manual input impossible.
There! Problem solved . . .
System could be unlocked by a transmission from ATC (again against a pass-word sequence).
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Might the answer not be to have the automatic control system protected by a password system, so that even if wannabes gained access to the flight deck they'd need to know the security code before they could over-ride the autopilot and take manual control? Likewise, under manual control the pilot could be required to input a sequence of codes to the keypad at random intervals otherwise the system would revert to automatic control.
That would stop any hi-jacker taking over control!
To obviate threats to the crew to divert from the planned route the code sequence could include a hidden lock code which would render further manual input impossible.
There! Problem solved . . .
System could be unlocked by a transmission from ATC (again against a pass-word sequence).