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Well, lets not get too distracted with searching the flightdeck, the original topic was using the security doors to get to arrivals.
The other day I mixed with the wheelchair bods who had just come through the outbound pax at the departure gate, they then pushed the wheelchair with inbound pax cargo, through the outbound pax at the departure gate, me and my crew then had to wave ta tar to the wheelchair and proceed through Manchester's ridiculous inbound routing up and down stairwells and walking next to non-working travelators in order to overtake the wheelchair and it's occupant.
complete security drivel.
The other day I mixed with the wheelchair bods who had just come through the outbound pax at the departure gate, they then pushed the wheelchair with inbound pax cargo, through the outbound pax at the departure gate, me and my crew then had to wave ta tar to the wheelchair and proceed through Manchester's ridiculous inbound routing up and down stairwells and walking next to non-working travelators in order to overtake the wheelchair and it's occupant.
complete security drivel.
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From: Overseas
Of course, the big issue is that for all the hassles/cost/worry we go through to keep our jobs and airside passes, would all of the July 7th bombers have passed Disclosure Scotland's checks and got full airside passes, jobs as aircrew etc etc?
And they take my coffee off me as I go through security. Heheheheheheh
And they take my coffee off me as I go through security. Heheheheheheh
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From: Not Ardua enough
Might the answer not be to have the automatic control system protected by a password system, so that even if wannabes gained access to the flight deck they'd need to know the security code before they could over-ride the autopilot and take manual control? Likewise, under manual control the pilot could be required to input a sequence of codes to the keypad at random intervals otherwise the system would revert to automatic control.
Typical scenario
F/O...
"Ok Captain we've had an engine failure in a critical flight phase with the AP connected, we'd better disconnect the AP and hand fly this sucker"
Captain...
"Great idea, now whats the F**** pass code ?"
Password protected Autopilots, I think not.
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From: Location, Location
Avman, I've been in and out of DUS quite a bit recently (writing a security policy for a company there, as it happens), but I haven't experienced any unnecessarily intrusive 'pat-downs' - maybe you were just unlucky! I must admit that I can't imagine that going through (virtually) identical scans twice over really adds significantly to my security.
For anyone who thinks that mentioning the presence of an ax(e) in the cockpit is giving away secrets to potential terrorists, try typing "cockpit crash-axe" into Google and see how many hits you get. Security by obscurity never works - a secret known to three people, is a secret no longer.
As usual, the military approach to security involves refighting the war before last. Whatever Osama is planning next, it won't involve hijacking aircraft and flying them into buildings - as was sadly demonstrated in London.
For anyone who thinks that mentioning the presence of an ax(e) in the cockpit is giving away secrets to potential terrorists, try typing "cockpit crash-axe" into Google and see how many hits you get. Security by obscurity never works - a secret known to three people, is a secret no longer.
As usual, the military approach to security involves refighting the war before last. Whatever Osama is planning next, it won't involve hijacking aircraft and flying them into buildings - as was sadly demonstrated in London.
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From: Wor Yerm
We should really applaud the Department of Aviation Prevention in their ability to have ever increasing activity and budget with a never improving achievement. Confiscating knitting needles from "little old dears" is not a result. Whatever they do is always "for security reasons" and aircrew are considered part of the problem. I do have a vested interest in their achievement: my passengers' and my crew's life. But, (niknak listen hard mate, you appear to be one of the problems!) aircrew are NEVER listened to. We "don't understand" I have been told. We have no security training (I can touch up another bloke as well as they can with no training - but I'd prefer to give it is miss thank you!) and don't have a full appreciation of the facts. And they do I suppose! In my experience, the only thing that makes these people special is that they are the only people who are únable to pass GCSE's. And in the 15 years that I have doing battle with these wenkers, not one has every worked out whether or not I'm actually meant to be there! And in my books, that's scandalous!
Lady Lexxington
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From: The Manor House
Right this is the gods honest truth, bear with me it's so mad as to be unbelievable.
At work at MAN last night, I'm ground staff and was airside last night, one of my collegues went to boots landside to purchase some tea for herself, this was at about 8pm and there was no food left in the airside boots. It being a sunday you see. So she brings her meal deal back through security and is publicly reprimanded for carrying food through security! She has been told that staff cannot now carry any food on them at all be it brought from home or bought at one of the airport shops! She wasn't carrying any cutlery or opened drinks, just a sealed boots meal deal!
I wish I was joking, but it's all true!
Does anyone out there know where this latest madness comes from?
At work at MAN last night, I'm ground staff and was airside last night, one of my collegues went to boots landside to purchase some tea for herself, this was at about 8pm and there was no food left in the airside boots. It being a sunday you see. So she brings her meal deal back through security and is publicly reprimanded for carrying food through security! She has been told that staff cannot now carry any food on them at all be it brought from home or bought at one of the airport shops! She wasn't carrying any cutlery or opened drinks, just a sealed boots meal deal!
I wish I was joking, but it's all true!
Does anyone out there know where this latest madness comes from?
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From: Out on the bike in Northumberland
Lex- would'nt go down too well if they try that at NEMA, the tower is airside, we have no canteen and work shifts-with no acess to sustenance!
be interesting to see SRG's take on any incident when the ATCO concerned had not eaten for say 10 hours
be interesting to see SRG's take on any incident when the ATCO concerned had not eaten for say 10 hours
Thread Starter
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From: mars
Right, lets stop this stupidity once and for all ! let's have a
'take food to work day'
Has anyone seen the child's plastic King Aurther sword (circa woolworths 2004) in the perspex box in terminal 1,
looks like they foiled that attempt !
'take food to work day'
Has anyone seen the child's plastic King Aurther sword (circa woolworths 2004) in the perspex box in terminal 1,
looks like they foiled that attempt !
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Yes please, could somebody tell us why police and customs are not searched. And what about security staff?
You will find that all Control Authority staff are now searched.
Security staff moving from Landside to Airside are also searched, even if they are relieving their colleagues on the post where they are searched.
I, like everyone else who works airside, gets searched as part & parcel of our employment. The rules don't always make sense to us, but remember they're not set by the airport, but by the Department for Transport.
Interesting point about lack of food airside for us 'out of hours' workers. We used to have a 'greasy spoon' airside in a portakabin but the rent knocked it on the head. Most people now bring stuff in - a 12 hour night shift's a long time without proper food. We're lobbying for a replacement airside facility but not holding our breath. I often use Boots landside for a 'midnight snack', sealed drinks etc and haven't had a problem carrying it through. What is required is clarity of rule interpretation with properly made out notices for all to see, with changes anounced in advance. We've had notices up about unsealed drinks being not allowed for ages.
The Odd One
Joined: Feb 2000
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From: England
And yet I can jump in my little Piper 152 here at Little Piddlington airstrip and fly myself to MAN and get out there on the ramp and swan about airside. And NOBODY has made me walk through any scanner, taken my Aunts knitting needles off me or confiscated my open can of Cola.
If I donned a fluroescent tabard I bet I could swan around for hours and mingle with Pax.
Perhaps the security searches are unaware and believe everyone airside has been through them or is a Copper. Sadly not.
Cheers
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If I donned a fluroescent tabard I bet I could swan around for hours and mingle with Pax.
Perhaps the security searches are unaware and believe everyone airside has been through them or is a Copper. Sadly not.
Cheers
WWW
