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easyJet Edinburgh/Glasgow to Geneva (at last!)
Well easyJet have finally announce two new routes from Scotland.
Edinburgh to Geneva five times a week.
Glasgow to Geneva once a week.
Although some people are not happy
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1803892005
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...name_page.html
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5042414.html
Edinburgh to Geneva five times a week.
Glasgow to Geneva once a week.
Although some people are not happy
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1803892005
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...name_page.html
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5042414.html
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Globespan Spit the Dummy
I see that Globespan are up in arms that easyJet have the audacity to compete against them on the EDI/GLA to GVA route this winter/next summer:
I distinctly remember Globespan starting a EDI-STN route a couple of months ago and didn't see easyJet going crying to the press.
Do they really believe that any Route Development Plan Grant give's them the right to a monopoly?
easyJet must be laughing at all the free press they're getting in Scotland over this.....
SCOTLAND'S budget airline has hit out at another company being given funding to run a rival route from the Capital to Geneva.
Edinburgh-based Flyglobespan, which currently operates winter flights between Edinburgh and the Swiss city, has slammed the Scottish Executive's decision to subsidise English carrier easyJet to open a year-round route.
The company claims two services by different airlines on the route cannot be sustained and has warned of a "bloodbath" between the rival carriers.
The funding is part of the Route Development Plan, run by Scottish Enterprise to support new air links which will have a direct economic benefit to Scotland.
Scottish Enterprise hopes the route, currently used chiefly by holidaymakers heading for the ski slopes, will kick-start a business link between Edinburgh and Geneva's financial services industry, as well as boost Scotland's tourism from central Europe.
But easyjet rather than Flyglobespan was chosen for the subsidised route, even though the Scots company has been running winter flights to Geneva since 2003.
Tom Dalrymple, chairman of Globespan, said: "We are extremely disappointed at this decision. It reeks yet again of maladministration on the part of the Executive. The Route Development Fund is a very sensible idea, but we have to ask has it been applied properly in this case- and the answer would be no.
"It is highly debatable whether the route can sustain two carriers, so there will be a fair bloodbath when the two carriers start to run together."
He added: "As a Scottish company, we do not expect privilege from the Scottish Executive, but what we would like is a level playing field."
Airlines must acquire slots for their planes to land at airports, but Flyglobespan currently only has landing time during the winter.
Mr Dalrymple said Flyglobespan had been unable to apply for funding to expand to a year-round service because it had been unable to get enough landing slots at Geneva.
SNP MSP Kenny MacAskill said: "Flyglobespan has transformed flights for Scots and for Edinburgh residents in particular. I welcome easyJet joining the Route Development Plan, but there should be more flexibility and we should not endanger our indigenous businesses."
A Scottish Enterprise spokesman said the funding would only apply from April until December - when Flyglobespan does not run a service - although easyJet has to run the route all year round, at an average of five times a week.
He said: "The new easyJet service will provide an important year-round link with the business and hi-tech research communities in Geneva and surrounding area. In deciding to support it we took into account the fact that Globespan operated on that route in the winter and will only support easyJet's summer service."
EasyJet was unavailable for comment.
Edinburgh-based Flyglobespan, which currently operates winter flights between Edinburgh and the Swiss city, has slammed the Scottish Executive's decision to subsidise English carrier easyJet to open a year-round route.
The company claims two services by different airlines on the route cannot be sustained and has warned of a "bloodbath" between the rival carriers.
The funding is part of the Route Development Plan, run by Scottish Enterprise to support new air links which will have a direct economic benefit to Scotland.
Scottish Enterprise hopes the route, currently used chiefly by holidaymakers heading for the ski slopes, will kick-start a business link between Edinburgh and Geneva's financial services industry, as well as boost Scotland's tourism from central Europe.
But easyjet rather than Flyglobespan was chosen for the subsidised route, even though the Scots company has been running winter flights to Geneva since 2003.
Tom Dalrymple, chairman of Globespan, said: "We are extremely disappointed at this decision. It reeks yet again of maladministration on the part of the Executive. The Route Development Fund is a very sensible idea, but we have to ask has it been applied properly in this case- and the answer would be no.
"It is highly debatable whether the route can sustain two carriers, so there will be a fair bloodbath when the two carriers start to run together."
He added: "As a Scottish company, we do not expect privilege from the Scottish Executive, but what we would like is a level playing field."
Airlines must acquire slots for their planes to land at airports, but Flyglobespan currently only has landing time during the winter.
Mr Dalrymple said Flyglobespan had been unable to apply for funding to expand to a year-round service because it had been unable to get enough landing slots at Geneva.
SNP MSP Kenny MacAskill said: "Flyglobespan has transformed flights for Scots and for Edinburgh residents in particular. I welcome easyJet joining the Route Development Plan, but there should be more flexibility and we should not endanger our indigenous businesses."
A Scottish Enterprise spokesman said the funding would only apply from April until December - when Flyglobespan does not run a service - although easyJet has to run the route all year round, at an average of five times a week.
He said: "The new easyJet service will provide an important year-round link with the business and hi-tech research communities in Geneva and surrounding area. In deciding to support it we took into account the fact that Globespan operated on that route in the winter and will only support easyJet's summer service."
EasyJet was unavailable for comment.
Do they really believe that any Route Development Plan Grant give's them the right to a monopoly?
easyJet must be laughing at all the free press they're getting in Scotland over this.....
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Hmmmmm a fares bloodbath I don’t think so... wait until GLA/GVA/EDI are snow closed and flights are heavily delayed.... I would rather be sat on an easyJet aircraft anyday. easyJet have lots of ways of getting you home or at least to the UK when it hits the fan and it always does at these places every winter. It can’t be to long before they offer a BSL service as well..
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Wasn't it Globespan who introduced the competition on the STN route? Happy to be the competition but not to be competed with!!
I would think EZY shareholders more than happy to see them stand up to some of the ankle biters.
I would think EZY shareholders more than happy to see them stand up to some of the ankle biters.
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I don't get the impression GSM are complaining about the competition itself, more the fact that the Scottish Executive has funded that competition with public money. Appears above board of course, but I can nevertheless understand why they're annoyed.
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Why.... If you had a budet to give out to provide a service to tax payers wouldnt you give it to the best service provider available... think beyond this route, think of the big picture. ohh and lets not forget easyJet also employ lots of staff based in Scotland (United Kingdom)...
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You are only applicable to receive the funding available if you meet the criteria laid down. GSM are not applicable as I believe the route must be operated year round and on at least 5 days each week.
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Clearly you dont have a clue what your talking about. GSM have everyright here to have a go at the Scottish executive, FlyGlobespan didnt get cash handouts to operate Edinburgh but Easyjet did even though the cash is only for new routes and EDI-GVA is not a new route, GSM made it a new route but didnt get the cash. GSM should get the cash not EZY.
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GSM should get the cash not EZY.
EZY are getting funding for going year-round, GSM are only flying seasonal so aren't entitled to SE funding on this route, simple as that. GSM are probably getting funded by BAA anyway...
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GSM complained that they couldn't get the slots at GVA.
Let's look, GVA is slot restricted during the winter but not so bad in summer. They say they couldn't get slots in summer.
So who is kidding who?
Let's look, GVA is slot restricted during the winter but not so bad in summer. They say they couldn't get slots in summer.
So who is kidding who?
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Now now ... firstly, last time I checked EZY were a British company not solely an English one ... maybe even a Greek one, but hey - as ever the article needs to get its facts right.
As for EZY coming to do more routes from Scotland ... excellent, more competition, and better fares. Something I've been saying that Ryanair should do on the LTN/STN-EDI route ... one thing though ... EZY really need to get their house in order regarding EDI-AMS .. what was once a very good service has now slidden back to very poor.
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As for EZY coming to do more routes from Scotland ... excellent, more competition, and better fares. Something I've been saying that Ryanair should do on the LTN/STN-EDI route ... one thing though ... EZY really need to get their house in order regarding EDI-AMS .. what was once a very good service has now slidden back to very poor.
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From a legal point of view easyjet is an English company. In that regard at least, the press got it right!
It is strange to see so many people getting excited over one or two new easy routes out of Scotland. Passengers should treat easyjet with the contempt tthat they show the people of Scotland. Only then they might get the message, but probably not...
last time I checked EZY were a British company not solely an English one
It is strange to see so many people getting excited over one or two new easy routes out of Scotland. Passengers should treat easyjet with the contempt tthat they show the people of Scotland. Only then they might get the message, but probably not...
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To quote the Flyglobespan Chairman in the initlal article;
'Mr Dalrymple said Flyglobespan had been unable to apply for funding to expand to a year-round service because it had been unable to get enough landing slots at Geneva.'
Mr Chairman, GVA is NOT a slot constrained airport in Summer, and only has slight restrictions in Winter on day 6.
Mr Chairman, you currently hold Winter day 6 slots (arr 1420L dep 1500L) so you have no slot excuse not to operate a daily service Summer and Winter.
With all the slots available, why don't you launch a daily year round service and then you can qualify for SE route development aid like EasyJet?
Maybe the real reason is because you can make more money with the aircraft running summer charters to beach resorts, unlike EasyJet who sell 100% seat only and don't rely on tour operators. I guess that would not be such a compelling news story, but it certainly would avoid all the free launch aid in column inches you are giving to EasyJet.
You also state;
"It is highly debatable whether the route can sustain two carriers, so there will be a fair bloodbath when the two carriers start to run together."
Mr Chairman, your company is currently selling EDI to GVA during the peak 2006 winter ski peak at ....... £2.99 OW
Mr Chairman, it looks as if your management team have already started the commercial bloodbath you feared.
As a consumer I would thank you for the cheap fare
As a Chairman I would have a serious chat with your CEO on strategy, effective revenue management and accurate communication
As a shareholder in your company .......
'Mr Dalrymple said Flyglobespan had been unable to apply for funding to expand to a year-round service because it had been unable to get enough landing slots at Geneva.'
Mr Chairman, GVA is NOT a slot constrained airport in Summer, and only has slight restrictions in Winter on day 6.
Mr Chairman, you currently hold Winter day 6 slots (arr 1420L dep 1500L) so you have no slot excuse not to operate a daily service Summer and Winter.
With all the slots available, why don't you launch a daily year round service and then you can qualify for SE route development aid like EasyJet?
Maybe the real reason is because you can make more money with the aircraft running summer charters to beach resorts, unlike EasyJet who sell 100% seat only and don't rely on tour operators. I guess that would not be such a compelling news story, but it certainly would avoid all the free launch aid in column inches you are giving to EasyJet.
You also state;
"It is highly debatable whether the route can sustain two carriers, so there will be a fair bloodbath when the two carriers start to run together."
Mr Chairman, your company is currently selling EDI to GVA during the peak 2006 winter ski peak at ....... £2.99 OW
Mr Chairman, it looks as if your management team have already started the commercial bloodbath you feared.
As a consumer I would thank you for the cheap fare
As a Chairman I would have a serious chat with your CEO on strategy, effective revenue management and accurate communication
As a shareholder in your company .......
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Meeb - I don't know who you work for but my employer, easyJet, has never treated the Scottish public with contempt! What drivel!
Everytime easyJet gets a new aircraft someone much brighter than me looks to see where it can make most money. For continental routes up to now it's not been EDI/GLA.
The reason? Landing charges are one and doing a long Malaga only provides 50% of the revenue 4 sectors in the same time frame can achieve. So with high landing charges and low yield the aircraft can be better employed elsewhere. As a shareholder in eJ I'm mighty glad that the commercial department have been doing their job!
So up to now who has been treating the public with contempt? BAA. Now however management has been devolved to the individual airport and both EDI and GLA have to compete for work. GLA have been playing ball on landing fees as EDI is pretty much full so expect to see more routes.
eJ puts 45% of the passenger total through EDI airport. I'd say that was quite a solid investment in Scottish services, as it's more than any other airline.
Everytime easyJet gets a new aircraft someone much brighter than me looks to see where it can make most money. For continental routes up to now it's not been EDI/GLA.
The reason? Landing charges are one and doing a long Malaga only provides 50% of the revenue 4 sectors in the same time frame can achieve. So with high landing charges and low yield the aircraft can be better employed elsewhere. As a shareholder in eJ I'm mighty glad that the commercial department have been doing their job!
So up to now who has been treating the public with contempt? BAA. Now however management has been devolved to the individual airport and both EDI and GLA have to compete for work. GLA have been playing ball on landing fees as EDI is pretty much full so expect to see more routes.
eJ puts 45% of the passenger total through EDI airport. I'd say that was quite a solid investment in Scottish services, as it's more than any other airline.