BA Unofficial Strike ( Merged)
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Incredible..
Do the unions never learn - 'bully boy tactics' in 97 turned out to be BA trying to protect as many jobs as possible - the union got involved and before you know it £200 million was blown. They never listened then and they won't listen now - do yourself a favour and move away from unions before you don't have an airline to go back to. The airline is trying to protect jobs and grow the company. That is ALL they have ever wanted to do - don't listen to some of the crap spouted by unions and rumours. Pig headed arrogant unions are looking to get themselves on the front page of the newspaper and as a result all that will happen will be lost jobs and lost profit. God help BA if anything else major happens and of course it won't be the unions fault when everything goes bust. (It never ever is - when did a union ever say they were wrong !!) Walk away from them now, go back to work and enjoy better benefits and quality of work than 99% of the rest of the working world. If you're not on strike and don't want to be on strike but your union wants you to be then resign from the union - your voice and employment law is strong enough to get you what you want should anything happen in the future.
Rant over. Enjoy your flight.
Rant over. Enjoy your flight.
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but we know that BA have a great deal of responsibility for this mess.
Although we are not directly involved (at this time),
BASSA have been asked by BA to initiate the 'Disruption Agreement" on Worldwide this request went to the Branch Chairman of BASSA at 17.33hrs. Our Branch Chairman has refused - so the DISRUPTION AGREEMENT IS NOT IN FORCE.
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Keeperboy - You found out second hand that all flights were canx? are you really proud of an employer that treats its staff like that? Mmmm....
As for the UK employment laws....the laws worked today, didn't they!
Deja vu with BA - remember the check staff wildcat strikes? Same old, same old. Same time next year?
As for the UK employment laws....the laws worked today, didn't they!
Deja vu with BA - remember the check staff wildcat strikes? Same old, same old. Same time next year?
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Got to be possible that BA deliberately precipitated this in order to have the show down they want. Timing is good as it can be seen as Rod's fault and not Willie's.
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Any sort of news remotely resembling this brings out the daft 'BA haters' with silly comments like NSF! Any chance of a meaningful discussion evaporates. BA is caught up in a nasty outside mess. All one can hope for is a greatly reduced staff following mass dismissals and the operation gradually scratched together with the remaining committed staff who all desperately want to do their jobs for a profitable company and move people!
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pilot reaction?
How do the BA pilots feel about the fact that the sandwich makers and bag loaders have bought the airline to its knees and grounded a major carrier? Is it not ironic?
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Just lookin out the window at Cardiff, 2 747's and a 767 parked up for the night. I assume the crew will have min' rest and position a/c back to LHR in the morning.
A bit chaotic this!! Hope it gets resolved soon.......!
A bit chaotic this!! Hope it gets resolved soon.......!
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Fly747 - you mean to incite further cost cutting? But BA has just announced good profits and yet today it is grounded and in a mess that few major carriers have ever seen. After the high of the profits BA is back to square 1 or -1! Nasty.
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Its not just the pilots and cabin crew that are not on strike as far as i can see its the check in staff, pushback crews etc that are all in work and willing to work but no one is able to work as there is no one there to load the bags, bus people to aircraft off stand etc? Please correct me if i am wrong.
Its a outrage that people who dont have to be employed by BA that are not the face of BA are able to bring them to there knees. They are not the ones who will be confronted by the very pissed of pax tomorrow in the terminals.
Its a outrage that people who dont have to be employed by BA that are not the face of BA are able to bring them to there knees. They are not the ones who will be confronted by the very pissed of pax tomorrow in the terminals.
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Sympathies
I have sympathy for the GG staff, as many have said here low paid workers, working hard to earn some kind of living and at least not scrounging off the state...well up until now that is.
No sympathy for the TGWU a dinosaur Union, clearly they have not learnt their lesson from Swissport...
No sympathy for BA strikers who walked out on illegal secondary action. It is quite unbelievable how they are protected from commercial realities by the TGWU
Sympathy for the airport's other workers, who will be left to help clear up the mess that BA's staff have created.
Sympathy to the passengers, definately the innocent victims
One other point...would hotel rooms not be better used for disrupted passengers, rather than staff who are locally based, who can get home....many pax cannot!
My post yesterday BA Pax going hungry, gave a hint to the sympathies of the BA workers for their colleagues at GG....I had no idea it would get to this....
No sympathy for the TGWU a dinosaur Union, clearly they have not learnt their lesson from Swissport...
No sympathy for BA strikers who walked out on illegal secondary action. It is quite unbelievable how they are protected from commercial realities by the TGWU
Sympathy for the airport's other workers, who will be left to help clear up the mess that BA's staff have created.
Sympathy to the passengers, definately the innocent victims
One other point...would hotel rooms not be better used for disrupted passengers, rather than staff who are locally based, who can get home....many pax cannot!
My post yesterday BA Pax going hungry, gave a hint to the sympathies of the BA workers for their colleagues at GG....I had no idea it would get to this....
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But "these people" have grounded one of the world's major carriers. Now, that is something! Yes, they'll leave the "face of BA people" to clear up the pieces and yet the damage is done and as it stands right now pilots and cabin crews have no jobs as there is nowhere to go. Maybe they should redeploy flight crews to the terminals to assist....BUT the crews wouldn't lower themselves...guaranteed.
Utter mess.
Utter mess.
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Buster
Buster - got to say you're view is typical of the old fashioned mindest that has got BA into all this trouble in the first place. BA is a company owned by shareholders who want a good return. BA has a responsibilty to them with a further responsibilty to it's other stakeholders and the employees. The strike back in '97 was caused by childish backward thinking babies (Union Leaders) who did not listen to the common sense of the proposals put forward to them. This cost BA a hell of a lot of money and over 10,000 jobs were lost - this was as a direct result of blockage by the union to ideas put forward. There were a number of very good proposals that never reached members.
Unions don't protect jobs, good management protects jobs. Union intervention merely costs money, reduces bonuses, cut's share price, reduces public image and ultimately costs jobs. BA is under good management in a tough market.
BA has to cut costs, not sure if you've been reading the news but with T5, Fuel Price and the very good wage that BA pays it's skilled employees they have to constantly reduce costs.
It's economics and it's the way the world turns - waken up and open your eyes to the realty of business.
The people who have walked out have undoubtedly been misinformed and the majority would prefer to be working. This has almost certainly been initiated by union representatives and handlers have walked out to ensure they tow the party line.
Now the employees annual bonus has gone are the unions going to stand up and apologise.
Laughing stock - I just hope to god they aren't all unemployed laughing stock.
Unions don't protect jobs, good management protects jobs. Union intervention merely costs money, reduces bonuses, cut's share price, reduces public image and ultimately costs jobs. BA is under good management in a tough market.
BA has to cut costs, not sure if you've been reading the news but with T5, Fuel Price and the very good wage that BA pays it's skilled employees they have to constantly reduce costs.
It's economics and it's the way the world turns - waken up and open your eyes to the realty of business.
The people who have walked out have undoubtedly been misinformed and the majority would prefer to be working. This has almost certainly been initiated by union representatives and handlers have walked out to ensure they tow the party line.
Now the employees annual bonus has gone are the unions going to stand up and apologise.
Laughing stock - I just hope to god they aren't all unemployed laughing stock.
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My impression is that the pilots are incandescent- and that is not too strong a word to be used- that some of BA's own staff are causing such chaos to the passengers.
Many are demanding they ALL be sacked and the TGWU's hold over the industry is broken for good. I believe it would be a valid course of action to tackle this now and see how many of the staff will see their jobs evaporate if they are going to take unofficial action.
You asked!
JerryS, you said
As Flight Crew, in the past I was proud to come into Central Area and drive a baggage loading truck over ice and load and unload BA aeroplanes because the TGWU decided to withdraw its labour, and I would do it again!
Many are demanding they ALL be sacked and the TGWU's hold over the industry is broken for good. I believe it would be a valid course of action to tackle this now and see how many of the staff will see their jobs evaporate if they are going to take unofficial action.
You asked!
JerryS, you said
Maybe they should redeploy flight crews to the terminals to assist....BUT the crews wouldn't lower themselves...guaranteed.
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BUT the crews wouldn't lower themselves...
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Can the last one out please turn off the light? Goodnight BA.
As long as the airline is forced to deal with a series of union monopolies (caterers, bags, cabin & flight crews) it is at a market disadvantage, and Darwin will eventually rule.
Good luck.
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Of the GG staff it was said (more than once in this thread and I have just read the whole bloomin' thing)
[list=1][*] Their jobs[*]Redundancy[*]Unemployment Benefits[*]Messed up CV when looking for the next job[/list=1]That is not meant to be harsh, just answering the question. It is true that we shall never hear the full story of what has happened at GG, it sounds a mess from both sides.
The wild cat strike defies belief. The whole economy is turning down, fuel prices are at a massive high and inward tourism to the UK failing because of bombs and a nasty policing foul up. Going on secondary strike? There's a good idea.
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as they only get paid under six quid per hour, what do they have to lose?
The wild cat strike defies belief. The whole economy is turning down, fuel prices are at a massive high and inward tourism to the UK failing because of bombs and a nasty policing foul up. Going on secondary strike? There's a good idea.
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