BACX ....whats happening?
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That would be -EUXI, which jethros says is due... er... clicky... 05 Aug 05. 
3 x 320 (Nov 07/Dec 07/Jan 08) -EUUS/T/U
3 x 319 (Jan 08/Feb 08/May 08) -EUOJ/K/L
Hm. That's only 7. Jethros main BA page sez 8. Either he/she missed one or the info isn't available yet.
(edited to note - BA Fact Book says 1+3+3 at Dec04)
GB are leasing BUSJ from mainline and due to acquire 2 x 321s in Mar06/Mar07 and a further five thereafter to replace 320s -TTOA/B/C/D/E
BMED have eight 321s coming, the first in Mar06 to replace 320 -MEDA, the second in Mar07 and the rest May 07-Apr 10.
3 x 320 (Nov 07/Dec 07/Jan 08) -EUUS/T/U
3 x 319 (Jan 08/Feb 08/May 08) -EUOJ/K/L
Hm. That's only 7. Jethros main BA page sez 8. Either he/she missed one or the info isn't available yet.
(edited to note - BA Fact Book says 1+3+3 at Dec04)
GB are leasing BUSJ from mainline and due to acquire 2 x 321s in Mar06/Mar07 and a further five thereafter to replace 320s -TTOA/B/C/D/E
BMED have eight 321s coming, the first in Mar06 to replace 320 -MEDA, the second in Mar07 and the rest May 07-Apr 10.
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I suspect the assertion that BA would not wish to reopen a mainline base at MAN is probably correct. However the idea of GB (or any other franchise) operating to 'core' BA destinations, may prove problematic.
FWIW, I suspect another change to the BACX business plan, to maintain a/c other than an E145 on the higher density (and presumably profitable) routes out of MAN.
Another alternative is (soon to be surplus?) a/c at LGW touring through MAN.
FWIW, I suspect another change to the BACX business plan, to maintain a/c other than an E145 on the higher density (and presumably profitable) routes out of MAN.
Another alternative is (soon to be surplus?) a/c at LGW touring through MAN.
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Kirkwall, your statement that those at BHX have been unaffected by all the previous company change is untrue. A large percentage (if not a majority) of the people who are now based there have been shunted there from other bases which have shut/contracted, indeed many still commute to their former homes at great expense and stress.
BHX has probably got more disgruntled CX pilots than any other base on the network, all of whom are only too well aware of what base closures mean to themselves and their families.
BHX has probably got more disgruntled CX pilots than any other base on the network, all of whom are only too well aware of what base closures mean to themselves and their families.
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Just look at the hand-me down GB have got from BA -- G-BUSJ -- Spends more time on the ground than in the air...Saves GB a few quid buying an ECAM trainer though !! 
I would have thought some of the new BA routes would have been up GB's street alike Izmir so are GB holding off having spare acft to pick up some of the BACX routes allowing further expansion out of MAN ????
I would have thought some of the new BA routes would have been up GB's street alike Izmir so are GB holding off having spare acft to pick up some of the BACX routes allowing further expansion out of MAN ????
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BACX announcement
Apparent announcement to be made today about size shape and service of BACX and I have been told it will also include LGW
Lets wait and see??!!
Daza
MAN to loose SNN,ZRH,ORK,NCE,PSA,FCO,STR and VCE no AR1s at MAN!!! BHX to loose FCO and VIE and will have only 4 AR1s and 9 ER4s
Daza
MAN to loose SNN,ZRH,ORK,NCE,PSA,FCO,STR and VCE no AR1s at MAN!!! BHX to loose FCO and VIE and will have only 4 AR1s and 9 ER4s
Daza
Lets wait and see??!!
Daza
MAN to loose SNN,ZRH,ORK,NCE,PSA,FCO,STR and VCE no AR1s at MAN!!! BHX to loose FCO and VIE and will have only 4 AR1s and 9 ER4s
Daza
MAN to loose SNN,ZRH,ORK,NCE,PSA,FCO,STR and VCE no AR1s at MAN!!! BHX to loose FCO and VIE and will have only 4 AR1s and 9 ER4s
Daza
Apparently any annoucement delayed until next month
I don't know why the post above has some many exlamations after "no RJ's at MAN". It was announced in the last "announcement" ages ago that all the RJ's were going from MAN.
Apparently any annoucement delayed until next month
I don't know why the post above has some many exlamations after "no RJ's at MAN". It was announced in the last "announcement" ages ago that all the RJ's were going from MAN.
Apparently any annoucement delayed until next month
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We have just had a briefing about the announcement.
As expected, 6 RJ100's are going to be subleased (the newer, steep-approach modded ones), 8 MAN routes suspended and 2 BHX. So far, they haven't said to whom the RJ's are going.
No mention of EMB145's coming the other way. Fleet size to be 50 comprising: 28 x ERJ145's, 13 x RJ100/146's, 8 x Dash 8Q300 & 1 x B767.
So, what next? Good news would make a change from cut, cut, cut.
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As expected, 6 RJ100's are going to be subleased (the newer, steep-approach modded ones), 8 MAN routes suspended and 2 BHX. So far, they haven't said to whom the RJ's are going.
No mention of EMB145's coming the other way. Fleet size to be 50 comprising: 28 x ERJ145's, 13 x RJ100/146's, 8 x Dash 8Q300 & 1 x B767.
So, what next? Good news would make a change from cut, cut, cut.
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The route suspension that Daza announced is correct. 8 Routes suspended at MAN – 11th September - Shannon, Zurich; Winter 2005 - Cork, Nice, Pisa, Rome, Stuttgart and Venice. 2 Routes suspended at BHX – Winter 2005 - Rome, Vienna.
BACX are retaining 3 BAe146s (IOM, INV and MAN) which they had previously annnounced would be going.
BHX will have 5 RJ100s, 4 will be based at LCY (crewed from EDI) and one maintenance airframe.
BACX are retaining 3 BAe146s (IOM, INV and MAN) which they had previously annnounced would be going.
BHX will have 5 RJ100s, 4 will be based at LCY (crewed from EDI) and one maintenance airframe.
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so what do all these cut backs at manchester mean for the crew there. arethey ona be laid off. i have friend who just started and is only on a 6month contract will they be laid off at end of that.
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Is that THE announcement or is there more to follow? Who is taking those routes out of MAN - surely BA aren't throwing them to the opposition?
What of the 146 and RJ crews- 3 less 146 and 6 less RJs gives a lot of surplus crew. Any plans for the poor devils?
Is that THE announcement or is there more to follow? Who is taking those routes out of MAN - surely BA aren't throwing them to the opposition?
What of the 146 and RJ crews- 3 less 146 and 6 less RJs gives a lot of surplus crew. Any plans for the poor devils?
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San Expiry,
All we know is what I put there. As far as I am aware, no-one is taking the routes over, but GB are running new routes to various holiday destinations - presumably taking the slots left by BACX.
As for crews, we've been told there will be no redundancies so I would assume that is for both air & ground crew - but I'll believe that when it happens!
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All we know is what I put there. As far as I am aware, no-one is taking the routes over, but GB are running new routes to various holiday destinations - presumably taking the slots left by BACX.
As for crews, we've been told there will be no redundancies so I would assume that is for both air & ground crew - but I'll believe that when it happens!
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San Expiry,
Compared with the 2005-6 business plan, BACX are retaining 3 BAe146s but getting rid of 6 RJ100s. This equates to a loss of 3 airframes.
BACX are dropping 8 MAN routes whereas BHX are only losing 2 routes, however, it's interesting to note the number of BHX based RJ100s. According to the business plan the intention was to have 8 based at BHX, today's announcement results in only 5 being based at BHX.
Not a good day for BHX RJ100 pilots.
Compared with the 2005-6 business plan, BACX are retaining 3 BAe146s but getting rid of 6 RJ100s. This equates to a loss of 3 airframes.
BACX are dropping 8 MAN routes whereas BHX are only losing 2 routes, however, it's interesting to note the number of BHX based RJ100s. According to the business plan the intention was to have 8 based at BHX, today's announcement results in only 5 being based at BHX.
Not a good day for BHX RJ100 pilots.