NQY to lose Ryanair?
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NQY to lose Ryanair?
What a surprise. As soon as Ryanair have to pay for anything they threaten to pull out. They are currently objecting to the potential £5 per pax charge from Newquay to help keep the airport open.
ITV Wescountry prounced them as the main user, doesn't say much for ASW or BMI Baby.
Good to know national airlines actually care about the SW!
I have to say, future of Newquay looks doubtful again
ITV Wescountry prounced them as the main user, doesn't say much for ASW or BMI Baby.
Good to know national airlines actually care about the SW!
I have to say, future of Newquay looks doubtful again
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CAA stats show 167,000 used the STN-NQY route in 2004 - a lot of fivers there.
Would be a great shame if NQY did close because it is obviously a great resource for Cornwall and is picking up new airlines and routes quite steadily, albeit modestly at present, with Air Southwest actually having a small base there.
I hope a way can be found to raise the finance to keep NQY open but you will know better than me, I am sure, that it won't be easy.
Would be a great shame if NQY did close because it is obviously a great resource for Cornwall and is picking up new airlines and routes quite steadily, albeit modestly at present, with Air Southwest actually having a small base there.
I hope a way can be found to raise the finance to keep NQY open but you will know better than me, I am sure, that it won't be easy.
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Why should Ryanair and its passengers subsidise an airport? This a free market economy so an airport, whilst useful to the locality, needs to stand on its own two feet.
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Buster,
Have you been eating the over ripe berries ?
Ryanair have probably been enjoying start up discounts, presumably these are just about to end, and MOL
is once again being invited to rejoin planet earth.
How else does an airport gain revenue to provide services required for an airline to operate?, landing and
parking fees would not be sufficient, therefore like all airports NQY are either implementing a passenger
service charge on FR or increasing it to an economic level.
The real question should be, why do Ryanair expect everyone else to subsidise their operations.
Have you been eating the over ripe berries ?
Ryanair have probably been enjoying start up discounts, presumably these are just about to end, and MOL
is once again being invited to rejoin planet earth.
How else does an airport gain revenue to provide services required for an airline to operate?, landing and
parking fees would not be sufficient, therefore like all airports NQY are either implementing a passenger
service charge on FR or increasing it to an economic level.
The real question should be, why do Ryanair expect everyone else to subsidise their operations.
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Believe they did a similar thing at LBA when the cheap start up was pulled. If memory serves me right they were on 2/3 a day and went down to 1 with extra flights at MAN. Then MAN did the same and they moved back to 3 a day at LBA pulling MAN frequency. It's MOL posturing to get the best deal he can, but he does pull flights to make his point to the airports. LBA is currently at 3 a day to DUB and I believe MAN is back to where it was too so if the route is siccessful I wouldn't worry too much.
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At the end of the day it is the passengers who pay the extra monies not the airlines. The passengers passing through airports use car parks, buy meals, newspapers etc. Why doesn't the airport get itself better organised and ensure that there are facilities available to maximise the potential spending power of the passengers passing through. That way they can make money from the passengers instead of ensuring that it is added to the cost of the tickets.
Better to have 150,00 passengers annually with the airline paying a lesser amount than to have 15,000 passengers paying an additional fiver. The passengers are visiting the area and spending a lot of money while they are there. Additional costs may see them go elsewhere to spend that money taking it from the local economy.
Better to have 150,00 passengers annually with the airline paying a lesser amount than to have 15,000 passengers paying an additional fiver. The passengers are visiting the area and spending a lot of money while they are there. Additional costs may see them go elsewhere to spend that money taking it from the local economy.
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Ryanair are bullies they expect to fly to airports on subsidies and when they have to pay the landing fees that were outlined to them at the commencement of new service they throw the toys out of the pram!! They did exactly the same at BHX and then moved to EMA when they didnt get there own way. Hopefully Newquay will survive with Airsouthwest and BMIBaby dont give in to a bully!!
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FR are going to have to realise the days when they were the only loco in town with spare aircraft are done.
If bmibaby, ASW or maybe Easy with some of those shiny new 319s issued a release saying they would be happy to pick up FR's service the wardrums would stop pretty abruptly.
FR are having to expand DUB service to counter EI's loco/bucket and spade services despite threatening no new service without a privately run terminal. Meanwhile they are ordering aircraft upon aircraft but are short of crews because of penny pinching the -200 crew.
If bmibaby, ASW or maybe Easy with some of those shiny new 319s issued a release saying they would be happy to pick up FR's service the wardrums would stop pretty abruptly.
FR are having to expand DUB service to counter EI's loco/bucket and spade services despite threatening no new service without a privately run terminal. Meanwhile they are ordering aircraft upon aircraft but are short of crews because of penny pinching the -200 crew.
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Remember that that Airport facilitated FR over the past 3 yrs in keeping costs down in order to grow the route. it is a 2 way egffort and now it is time to get commercial. You can be assured that these pax are not travelling to this airport purely based on price and would be willing to pay an extr £5 if they are not inconvenienced (ie put it on the ticket ..not collected at departure etc). FR thinking is that if there is £5 to be got out of teh pax.... they want it for themselves. (Don't mean to FR BAsh here....just stating facts)
Runway31....to get additional income for car hire, franchusees etc - an airport has to invest in providing better facilities. To do so means spending money... and this money has to come from somewhere. Now if the pax are willing to payto keep the place going .... then why not ask the pax their opinion.
An airport has to protect itself and the best advice I can give is to have all its facts and figures ready in a bigh foplder and present them to other airlines. Ryanair know a good thing when they see it and can be sure that they don't want another airline reapoing the benefits of thir hard work over the past 3 years. There is no point in having Ryanair flying in when you can't pay the staff wages.
Enough rant.....feel better already!!!!
Remember that that Airport facilitated FR over the past 3 yrs in keeping costs down in order to grow the route. it is a 2 way egffort and now it is time to get commercial. You can be assured that these pax are not travelling to this airport purely based on price and would be willing to pay an extr £5 if they are not inconvenienced (ie put it on the ticket ..not collected at departure etc). FR thinking is that if there is £5 to be got out of teh pax.... they want it for themselves. (Don't mean to FR BAsh here....just stating facts)
Runway31....to get additional income for car hire, franchusees etc - an airport has to invest in providing better facilities. To do so means spending money... and this money has to come from somewhere. Now if the pax are willing to payto keep the place going .... then why not ask the pax their opinion.
An airport has to protect itself and the best advice I can give is to have all its facts and figures ready in a bigh foplder and present them to other airlines. Ryanair know a good thing when they see it and can be sure that they don't want another airline reapoing the benefits of thir hard work over the past 3 years. There is no point in having Ryanair flying in when you can't pay the staff wages.
Enough rant.....feel better already!!!!
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i would like to see the £5 surcharge put into place to show yanair that thry cant get there way all of the time.
Air Southwest could/probaly will take over the NQY-STN route if ryanair abandonned it.
Air Southwest could/probaly will take over the NQY-STN route if ryanair abandonned it.
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Perhaps Southwest could also maintain Birmingham and Durham as there are no winter flights shown at present. The 737 may be to big for the winter, but alot of the passengers I was chatting to when I used the Birmingham Newquay flight were not seasonal.
Seems a shame to build up regular passengers to loose them again. The DH8 would be ideal.
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Seems a shame to build up regular passengers to loose them again. The DH8 would be ideal.
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Hello????? The "£5 surcharge" is presumably a passenger handling charge - even if it is an increased one. That's what airports charge for handling airlines ... which is how they make their money ... which is how they stay in business, build terminals, pay for their own staff and so on.
It's probably not dissimilar to what all airlines at LHR had to pay to fund Terminal 5 (despite the fact that the usual way of funding business development is for the business to take the risk, rather than their customers). And what airlines at LHR, STN and LGW will have to pay to fund the new runway at STN when the time comes.
No, come to think of it, it's not like that. It is a legitimate charge. NQY doubtless had to think hard before putting it forward, because whenever a business increases charges, it runs the risk of losing its customers - especially ones like Ryanair who keep costs down by getting people to pay them to come. But it is reasonable to propose an increase - that's what businesses have to do sometimes.
It's probably not dissimilar to what all airlines at LHR had to pay to fund Terminal 5 (despite the fact that the usual way of funding business development is for the business to take the risk, rather than their customers). And what airlines at LHR, STN and LGW will have to pay to fund the new runway at STN when the time comes.
No, come to think of it, it's not like that. It is a legitimate charge. NQY doubtless had to think hard before putting it forward, because whenever a business increases charges, it runs the risk of losing its customers - especially ones like Ryanair who keep costs down by getting people to pay them to come. But it is reasonable to propose an increase - that's what businesses have to do sometimes.
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Would be nice to see STN-BRS with FR or EZY then connection with WOW, I think still reckon a BRS-london route would do well, especially now there is a massive chance of being caught speeding on M4, If anyone isn't aware, between Bath and Newbury Police have hidden cameras and ARE nailing people going over 70! !
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Typical of the Low-costs in my opinion... they are quite happy to add on additional "taxes" and "charges" to mask the real cost of the seat they've just sold you for 99p... but when an airport tries the same ploy, to recover some of their lost income form negotiated reductions in landing fee income... the airlines get pissy.
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Typical of the Low-costs in my opinion... they are quite happy to add on additional "taxes" and "charges"
What planet are you lot from. Ryanair cuts prices and makes everyone else in the business do the same where it can. It has no control over taxes. As for NQY if it can't sort its business plan why not look and see how every other regional airport does it and not just off load the problem onto the passengers. If they can't make a profit from 160000 pax they sack the manager. You Jethros should stick to the tractor business instead of trying to play with the 21st century.
What planet are you lot from. Ryanair cuts prices and makes everyone else in the business do the same where it can. It has no control over taxes. As for NQY if it can't sort its business plan why not look and see how every other regional airport does it and not just off load the problem onto the passengers. If they can't make a profit from 160000 pax they sack the manager. You Jethros should stick to the tractor business instead of trying to play with the 21st century.
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Essex....."no control on taxes"..!!!!! I don't remember the Govenment introducing an 'Wheelchair Levy' on all able-bodied passengers. Not just one-way either!!!! Also....when did the Banks start charging £2.50 PER PASSENGER to use you credit card to make travel arrangements ....again each way!!!! Taxes is Ryanair slush-fund and I haven;t got a 99p fare yet less that £50 for my regular route.
If an airport is getting NIL income from 160,000 pax....it won't stay in business long. Ryanair passengers are not know for throwing their money around teh place..... they come with packed lunches and order pot of tea for four!!!! They are in and out of regional airports with the minimum spend........and there is no point in FR saying that the Airport should be making money from these pax.
Ryanair have revolutionised air travel - we all agree on that.....but they must remember that a lot of people helped them along the way. Travel agents, Airports, Governments....., and now that they are earning profits of £20 m a quarter... they turn around and stick the two fingers up. As mentioned earlier..... Ryanair are no longer the only act in town and airports (especially privately run ones) are standing up to them. There is no point ion Ryanair bring in 160,000 pax if the airport is not getting a contribution. Who is going to pay the bills????? Franchisee monies, car parks etc is not enough. Everyone could be a winner if Ryanair was willing to play ball and be reasonable............
If an airport is getting NIL income from 160,000 pax....it won't stay in business long. Ryanair passengers are not know for throwing their money around teh place..... they come with packed lunches and order pot of tea for four!!!! They are in and out of regional airports with the minimum spend........and there is no point in FR saying that the Airport should be making money from these pax.
Ryanair have revolutionised air travel - we all agree on that.....but they must remember that a lot of people helped them along the way. Travel agents, Airports, Governments....., and now that they are earning profits of £20 m a quarter... they turn around and stick the two fingers up. As mentioned earlier..... Ryanair are no longer the only act in town and airports (especially privately run ones) are standing up to them. There is no point ion Ryanair bring in 160,000 pax if the airport is not getting a contribution. Who is going to pay the bills????? Franchisee monies, car parks etc is not enough. Everyone could be a winner if Ryanair was willing to play ball and be reasonable............
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If there is so much money to be made why isn't there competition to destinations such as Newquay. 160,000 passengers are an opportunity but a profit won't be made out of them if you don't try. Ryanair passengers spend their money at airports just the same as anyone elses passengers but if the facilities are not available they are not able to spend their money. Not making a penny out of them should not be an option.
I don't notice Ryanair or other low cost airline passengers walking past all the shops and restaurants at Stansted, Luton etc. If that was the case these airports would have died years ago. If the airport don't want airlines they are not forced to take them but I havn't noticed to many airlines queing up to get into Newquay.
I don't notice Ryanair or other low cost airline passengers walking past all the shops and restaurants at Stansted, Luton etc. If that was the case these airports would have died years ago. If the airport don't want airlines they are not forced to take them but I havn't noticed to many airlines queing up to get into Newquay.
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Runway.... I can see where you are coming from here. But remember Newquay is a regional airport and will not have the facilities of a Stansted or Luton. No.1 it probably does not have the room to expand, No.2 cannot afford to expand and No. 3 would not have enough pax to attract large franchisees who could then be charged huge rents to be there. There are not tranatlantic pax passing thru killing 6 hours and needing all sorts of food and drink. I don't know much about Newquay but there couldn't be no more than a handful of flights. Passengers are probably arriving from within 20-30 mile and so arrive with friend / relatives and with minimum connection time - enough to checkin and walk to departures with a paper. I can't see NQY sfifting many Digital Cameras or sets of Raybans....especially as they woundnt have the buying power of a BAA airport.
I am all in favour in having Ryanair but there has to come a time when Ryanair realise that if an airport is struggling - it would make sense to talk to them and at least be helpful. I agree that there may not be a queue of airlines coming into Newquay but if the airport can't make money - Ryanair won't be coming in soon as the place will be closed for good!!!! Is that the right motto..."Milk 'em til they drop"!!! Losing Ryanair maybe a blessing in disguise.....no one will go up against FR while they are there!!
I am all in favour in having Ryanair but there has to come a time when Ryanair realise that if an airport is struggling - it would make sense to talk to them and at least be helpful. I agree that there may not be a queue of airlines coming into Newquay but if the airport can't make money - Ryanair won't be coming in soon as the place will be closed for good!!!! Is that the right motto..."Milk 'em til they drop"!!! Losing Ryanair maybe a blessing in disguise.....no one will go up against FR while they are there!!