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Plymouth and Newquay News and Rumours
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Does anyone know if any bigger aircraft will be able to operate from Plymouth when the runway extention is complete?
Newqauy (NQY)
Do you think the new BMIBaby services will do well?
Also can you please post any News or Rumours that you have heard about ethier Newquay or Plymouth.
Does anyone know if any bigger aircraft will be able to operate from Plymouth when the runway extention is complete?
Newqauy (NQY)
Do you think the new BMIBaby services will do well?
Also can you please post any News or Rumours that you have heard about ethier Newquay or Plymouth.
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I have heard that they were going to start NQY-NCL-ABZ but there has been no further infromation on that.
Aparently they did have plans to operate PLH-BOH-BHD or BFS but dropped the plans due to Jet2 launching BOH-BFS.
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Aparently they did have plans to operate PLH-BOH-BHD or BFS but dropped the plans due to Jet2 launching BOH-BFS.
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Reference Birmingham to Newquay I have recently booked a flight. Cost me £15 including taxes, although I would not expect the fares to stay that low the flight takes about an hour.
Coach Travel was over £35 and took from 0700 to 1700.
Train was £48 involving 2 changes and approx. a 6 hour journey.
No contest really.
Not to sure about getting punters out of their cars though.
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Coach Travel was over £35 and took from 0700 to 1700.
Train was £48 involving 2 changes and approx. a 6 hour journey.
No contest really.
Not to sure about getting punters out of their cars though.
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On the subject of NQY, i think the WOW service to LBA is doing very well. If you take a look on their Low Fare Finder for May/June it shows almost all of their Sunday services from NQY as Full. No doubt the remainder of their summer program will fill up nicely over time too.
Incidentally, i flew WOW for the first time on Tuesday this week on their new LBA-BRS service (which continues to NQY). Flights just about full both ways with about a dozen pax continuing to NQY each way. Not bad for a mid-week flight, and the MAN connecting pax helped boost up the BRS-NQY sector.
Incidentally, i flew WOW for the first time on Tuesday this week on their new LBA-BRS service (which continues to NQY). Flights just about full both ways with about a dozen pax continuing to NQY each way. Not bad for a mid-week flight, and the MAN connecting pax helped boost up the BRS-NQY sector.
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I think Air Southwests 4th DHC8 gets delivered soon
Probably needed........The LBA service had a bit of a shaky start but seems to be have settled down now though no doubt they were "teething troubles"
FlyBe's G-JEDE has been on lease for a few weeks and a number of flights were covered by DAT's ATR-42 OY-JRY for a short time at the end of April.
Flying out to Leeds on Monday and back to Bristol on Wednesday, i'd have taken the train once upon a time............
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Probably needed........The LBA service had a bit of a shaky start but seems to be have settled down now though no doubt they were "teething troubles"
FlyBe's G-JEDE has been on lease for a few weeks and a number of flights were covered by DAT's ATR-42 OY-JRY for a short time at the end of April.
Flying out to Leeds on Monday and back to Bristol on Wednesday, i'd have taken the train once upon a time............
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I know it's a sad reflection on our modern times, but I DO wish you folks at WOW would change your callsign!
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I think NQY is going to be a very busy lil place in years to come, lets face it, its basically the UK's answer to Magaluf, look at the amount of domestic tourists who visit from all over the country especially young peeps and usually have to face the god awful and expensive journey on the roads, why do a 5 hour drive from Brum and spend god knows how much in petrol when you can fly there for 15 quid!, i would predict quite a few new routes for NQY i'm just suprised its taken until now for airlines to realise the potential of NQY, well done FR for starting it all off with the STN-NQY route, also surely the airlines could rake in XS charges for carriage of Surfboards!!!
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G-WOWD was delivered to Plymouth last night.....ex JY-RWA (Royal Wings of Jordan)
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I just stumbled on this thread sitting here down here in lil'ol Tasmania.
Hopefully some will find this post interesting about Newquay.
back in 1966. I was the first station manager for British Eagle when they commenced services to Newquay. Before that the only operator was Westpoint Airways who had a service LHR/NQY using a Dakota.
British Eagle had a schedule each Saturday using two or three Viscount 700's with services to and from LHR, MAN, LPL,GLA and BHX. So it was a busy little airport in those days. BMA also started their Viscount service from LBA about the same time.
It was a great job during the summer on secondment from London. With flights only arriving on Saturday I "looked after" the ticket office at the tourist centre in town and spent many hours on the beach below the Grand Hotel or taking long lunches at the Anchor? pub. Oh to be 20 again!!
Soon after, EG commenced fliyng the BAC 1-11 LHR/NQY taking only 25 minutes. That beat the 6 or more hours on the train. I cannot remember the airfares but the flights were full and it wasn't just for the well heeled.
I drove past the airport a few years ago and saw how it has developed. I can see with the entry of LCCs how it will be developing into a very busy place.
But sadly looking back and seeing what has happened to the lovely relaxed atmostphere of Newquay and Padstow in particular, I wonder why you would want to go there now at all.
They say you should never go back!
Hopefully some will find this post interesting about Newquay.
back in 1966. I was the first station manager for British Eagle when they commenced services to Newquay. Before that the only operator was Westpoint Airways who had a service LHR/NQY using a Dakota.
British Eagle had a schedule each Saturday using two or three Viscount 700's with services to and from LHR, MAN, LPL,GLA and BHX. So it was a busy little airport in those days. BMA also started their Viscount service from LBA about the same time.
It was a great job during the summer on secondment from London. With flights only arriving on Saturday I "looked after" the ticket office at the tourist centre in town and spent many hours on the beach below the Grand Hotel or taking long lunches at the Anchor? pub. Oh to be 20 again!!
Soon after, EG commenced fliyng the BAC 1-11 LHR/NQY taking only 25 minutes. That beat the 6 or more hours on the train. I cannot remember the airfares but the flights were full and it wasn't just for the well heeled.
I drove past the airport a few years ago and saw how it has developed. I can see with the entry of LCCs how it will be developing into a very busy place.
But sadly looking back and seeing what has happened to the lovely relaxed atmostphere of Newquay and Padstow in particular, I wonder why you would want to go there now at all.
They say you should never go back!
Thylacine - those were great days weren't they, ex BUA and Westward Airways myself. How times have changed.
Here's how I see it as an ex airline MD living in Cornwall
Newquay (the town of) is NOT typical of Cornwall, locals avoid the place, it is now exclusively a surfing mecca and resort in the image of Ibiza. A small element of 'city slickers' might fly down to surf but mostly they will arrive in clapped out vans. The families come towing the accomodation or with a grockle box attached to the roof - not much airline traffic there then. The season is also very short, you could never make a route viable on this traffic.
So who does ( or would) fly down here?
A huge number of second home owners from all over the country, with the growth in modern technology a considerable number commute and spend long weekends here.
VFR - Visiting friends and relatives, loads of retired people here. I arrived back myself from Brussels today and have neighbours who all travel 'up country' regularly.
Business traffic, a lot of investment from outside means business traffic is increasing constantly and the expansion of shipping and cruise liners into Falmouth is another area of growth which will require crew movements and support.
As far as I can see no-one has tapped into up market pre programmed tours to Cornwall (avoiding Newquay), with all the new connections there is potential surely?
But all this has to be tempered by the fact that apart from the wealthy incomers the salary levels are the lowest in the land so joe public isn't about to be making many trips out of the South West at all and certainly not by air!
So the answer is yes, Newquay Airport has a future, but the infrastrucure will not support major expansion in current conditions. There there are still a few routes which could work ( if anyone from Skybus reads this personal mail me). Air Southwest have done well and deserve huge credit for clever planning and they will go further yet.
A freight treminal has been suggested (IMHO will not work) but there is so much more potential in other areas, biggest hurdle is the owned by the County Council who know little about commercial aviation and don't seem to want to listen to anyone that does.
I am available for consultancy.... but not on sunny days?
Here's how I see it as an ex airline MD living in Cornwall
Newquay (the town of) is NOT typical of Cornwall, locals avoid the place, it is now exclusively a surfing mecca and resort in the image of Ibiza. A small element of 'city slickers' might fly down to surf but mostly they will arrive in clapped out vans. The families come towing the accomodation or with a grockle box attached to the roof - not much airline traffic there then. The season is also very short, you could never make a route viable on this traffic.
So who does ( or would) fly down here?
A huge number of second home owners from all over the country, with the growth in modern technology a considerable number commute and spend long weekends here.
VFR - Visiting friends and relatives, loads of retired people here. I arrived back myself from Brussels today and have neighbours who all travel 'up country' regularly.
Business traffic, a lot of investment from outside means business traffic is increasing constantly and the expansion of shipping and cruise liners into Falmouth is another area of growth which will require crew movements and support.
As far as I can see no-one has tapped into up market pre programmed tours to Cornwall (avoiding Newquay), with all the new connections there is potential surely?
But all this has to be tempered by the fact that apart from the wealthy incomers the salary levels are the lowest in the land so joe public isn't about to be making many trips out of the South West at all and certainly not by air!
So the answer is yes, Newquay Airport has a future, but the infrastrucure will not support major expansion in current conditions. There there are still a few routes which could work ( if anyone from Skybus reads this personal mail me). Air Southwest have done well and deserve huge credit for clever planning and they will go further yet.
A freight treminal has been suggested (IMHO will not work) but there is so much more potential in other areas, biggest hurdle is the owned by the County Council who know little about commercial aviation and don't seem to want to listen to anyone that does.
I am available for consultancy.... but not on sunny days?
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Coming from Cornwall a freight terminal would be an excellent idea as the road situation in Cornwall is pretty dire most of the year and the holiday seasons don't help. Im surprised there are no night paper runs from London but then the trains must take that strain. Congrats to Air Southwest and best of luck to Air Southwest. Once word get's around I'm sure there will be more routes to follow...
Coming from Cornwall a freight terminal would be an excellent idea as the road situation in Cornwall is pretty dire most of the year and the holiday seasons don't help. Im surprised there are no night paper runs from London but then the trains must take that strain. Congrats to Air Southwest and best of luck to Air Southwest. Once word get's around I'm sure there will be more routes to follow...
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Not sure wher in Cornwall you are but the roads around Newquay Airport are surely just not suitable for heavy trucks, apart from that it is slap bang in a tourist area. The road network to Exeter will be greatly improved when the work at Goss Moor is completed. Isn't it really only in the Summer peak when traffic is a problem and then mostly at weekends. I CAN see the argument for flying a simple freight service into Newquay but believe what was intended was to build a dedicated base and do a hub and spoke operation for transatlantic freight connecting to Europe. Nice idea but I just don't see that working! Never seen any freight go on the train by the way but it certainly should??
Not sure wher in Cornwall you are but the roads around Newquay Airport are surely just not suitable for heavy trucks, apart from that it is slap bang in a tourist area. The road network to Exeter will be greatly improved when the work at Goss Moor is completed. Isn't it really only in the Summer peak when traffic is a problem and then mostly at weekends. I CAN see the argument for flying a simple freight service into Newquay but believe what was intended was to build a dedicated base and do a hub and spoke operation for transatlantic freight connecting to Europe. Nice idea but I just don't see that working! Never seen any freight go on the train by the way but it certainly should??
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The near total absence of a viable public transport service from the main towns and cities of Cornwall to the airport makes Newquay costly in comparison to road transport when going up country.
A decent bus service which links with flight times from the major railway stations to the regions airports is vital for the continued success of regional airlines.
As a regular rail user the sleeper train is now regularly well occupied with part time commuters to the smoke who have downshifted to the west and have a deire for speedy, cheap reliable and coordinated transport links
A decent bus service which links with flight times from the major railway stations to the regions airports is vital for the continued success of regional airlines.
As a regular rail user the sleeper train is now regularly well occupied with part time commuters to the smoke who have downshifted to the west and have a deire for speedy, cheap reliable and coordinated transport links
Freight might work.
The problem with accessing Cornwall is time/distance. This has been made much worse (and more expensive) by bringing in more daft EU regulations to restrict truck drivers' hours. From West Cornwall to London is now a full day's drive, with no stops and no delays. Summer traffic could make it a 3-day round trip.
Someone like Channex, who have a large road freight business, could perhaps make a case for transporting produce out and high value short-life goods in.
The problem with accessing Cornwall is time/distance. This has been made much worse (and more expensive) by bringing in more daft EU regulations to restrict truck drivers' hours. From West Cornwall to London is now a full day's drive, with no stops and no delays. Summer traffic could make it a 3-day round trip.
Someone like Channex, who have a large road freight business, could perhaps make a case for transporting produce out and high value short-life goods in.
LGS - well it took me four and a half hours to drive an LGV from Truro to just south of Gatwick via the M3 and M25 last week so I would have been in Heathrow in about four hours and that is from Falmouth which is twenty two miles from Lands End.
That includes stopping for two breaks and a sandwich! I have done this drive many many times and have never taken more than eight hours even in the peak of the Summer.
As soon as the A30 and A303 links are completed this journey time will be cut again so there is no way it would take 3 days unless it was by traction engine, even with the stupid EC rules on hours. ( I have driven HGV's in the past and am about to renew my licence for fun and a bit of part time driving).
The point I am trying to make is that this is the wrong place for a sizeable freight hub with the full infrastructure, it is far too far West but I do not argue against a regular freight run here. The only thing is it may not be economic becasue the rail connections are so good as already posted and doesn't Newquay shut at night? I doubt it would be viable to keep it open for one flight?
Out of interest tracked and received a package via UPS from the States and it was routed Stansted, East Midlands, Exeter
UPS of course are ultra efficient but on papaer that makes no sense, in reality I am sure it does!
That includes stopping for two breaks and a sandwich! I have done this drive many many times and have never taken more than eight hours even in the peak of the Summer.
As soon as the A30 and A303 links are completed this journey time will be cut again so there is no way it would take 3 days unless it was by traction engine, even with the stupid EC rules on hours. ( I have driven HGV's in the past and am about to renew my licence for fun and a bit of part time driving).
The point I am trying to make is that this is the wrong place for a sizeable freight hub with the full infrastructure, it is far too far West but I do not argue against a regular freight run here. The only thing is it may not be economic becasue the rail connections are so good as already posted and doesn't Newquay shut at night? I doubt it would be viable to keep it open for one flight?
Out of interest tracked and received a package via UPS from the States and it was routed Stansted, East Midlands, Exeter
UPS of course are ultra efficient but on papaer that makes no sense, in reality I am sure it does!