One more day: Irish govt due to make its PSO decisions?(Merged)
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Loganair stopped operating the Shorts in 2002.
The last one, G-BPFN went to Aurigny. G-BNMU went to BAC express, G-BNMW went to the States.
Fine aircraft and very useful on the shorter runways.
The last one, G-BPFN went to Aurigny. G-BNMU went to BAC express, G-BNMW went to the States.
Fine aircraft and very useful on the shorter runways.
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So to summarise the projected scores from the rumour mill here over the last 24 hours 
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Thebrother: Loganair 4, RE 2
TwoDeadDogs: Loganair 3, RE 3
ProfJackRabbit: Loganair 2, RE 3, FR 1
BOGOF and Uncle Dickie: Loganair 2, not sure how the rest are split
We await white smoke from Kildare Street to know who wins the prognostication prize!
:Thebrother: Loganair 4, RE 2
TwoDeadDogs: Loganair 3, RE 3
ProfJackRabbit: Loganair 2, RE 3, FR 1
BOGOF and Uncle Dickie: Loganair 2, not sure how the rest are split
We await white smoke from Kildare Street to know who wins the prognostication prize!
Hi all
I would be beyond surprised if the Government gave FR a PSO given the abuse directed at one B.Ahern over the last few years. It is also highly cynical of Ryanair to crow about competition at every turn and then compete for a subsidy. I had heard that the Kerry Airport management want jets rather than turbos, which is code for anyone but Arann!
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TDD
I would be beyond surprised if the Government gave FR a PSO given the abuse directed at one B.Ahern over the last few years. It is also highly cynical of Ryanair to crow about competition at every turn and then compete for a subsidy. I had heard that the Kerry Airport management want jets rather than turbos, which is code for anyone but Arann!
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TDD
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RE offered KIR,GWY - now accepted.
LOG offered LDY & NOC package - accepted.
LOG also offered SXL & CFN package - LOG declined offer stating "not ability to operate".
RE now offered SXL & CFN with discussions today. SXL politicians lobbying hard for RE.
Decision announced likely Thursday PM.
RE lower tender than FR - very low.
LOG offered LDY & NOC package - accepted.
LOG also offered SXL & CFN package - LOG declined offer stating "not ability to operate".
RE now offered SXL & CFN with discussions today. SXL politicians lobbying hard for RE.
Decision announced likely Thursday PM.
RE lower tender than FR - very low.
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So who allowed RE to change the submission after the deadline with the magic number ?
FR had leaked their number to the press at between 50% and 60% of the RE subsidy the previous year
It is hardly credible that RE cut their previous requirement in half for a closed tender process
TDD is right Ahern had this fixed to give it to anyone but FR
FR had leaked their number to the press at between 50% and 60% of the RE subsidy the previous year
It is hardly credible that RE cut their previous requirement in half for a closed tender process
TDD is right Ahern had this fixed to give it to anyone but FR
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Steady on there Mr Bean.
You may have wanted to insert "allegedly" in there somewhere.
Saabs - back to Aer Lingus Commuter days! 30 seats too... bit of a downgrade from an ATR. Or is it just more appropriate to the market?
You may have wanted to insert "allegedly" in there somewhere.
Saabs - back to Aer Lingus Commuter days! 30 seats too... bit of a downgrade from an ATR. Or is it just more appropriate to the market?
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Loganair are taking delivery of more S340s - and if they want to expand I'm sure Saab wouldn't mind helping LX place their Saab 2000s which are rumoured to be leaving!
The -8s are returning to lessor - IIRC one may have gone to Air Southwest.
Loganair are taking delivery of more S340s - and if they want to expand I'm sure Saab wouldn't mind helping LX place their Saab 2000s which are rumoured to be leaving!
The -8s are returning to lessor - IIRC one may have gone to Air Southwest.
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Rumour is Loganair tender states Shorts 360 aircraft, any way the actual tender submissions will be made publis shortly. FR may not have won anything but their involvement has certainly hurt RE.
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DB7's quite right - the tender specified pressurised aircraft with a minimum 30-seat capacity.
Mr Bean Counter: I think your allegation is out of line. I understand the goal of this tender process was to reduce the costs significantly (not least by attracting more competition) and I suspect that RE's bid this time round was a lot lower than last time. Anyway, if FR suspected foul play, don't you imagine that MOL would have come out all guns blazing and threatening legal action?
No, maybe FR just got their sums wrong...
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Mr Bean Counter: I think your allegation is out of line. I understand the goal of this tender process was to reduce the costs significantly (not least by attracting more competition) and I suspect that RE's bid this time round was a lot lower than last time. Anyway, if FR suspected foul play, don't you imagine that MOL would have come out all guns blazing and threatening legal action?
No, maybe FR just got their sums wrong...
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RE - KIR, GWY
LOG - LDY, NOC
RE after LOG refusal - SXL, CFN
RE - 4, LOG - 2
Cullen announces PSO Contracts for Regional Air Routes
Transport Minister, Martin Cullen, T.D. announced today (26th May 2005) that following an EU Public Tender process, contracts to provide scheduled air services on the six Public Service Obligation (PSO) regional air routes have been secured by Aer Arann and Loganair. As before, the new contracts are for a three-year period, commencing 22 July 2005.
Aer Arann has been awarded contracts to continue operating scheduled services on routes linking Dublin with the regional airports in Galway, Kerry, Sligo and Donegal. The Scottish regional carrier Loganair has been awarded the contract for the operation of routes linking Dublin with Knock and City of Derry Airports.
Under the new PSO contracts, Aer Arann will provide three daily return services on the Galway and Kerry routes and two daily return services on the Sligo and Donegal routes. Loganair will provide two daily return services on the Derry route and one return service each day on the Knock route. Scheduled departure times on all routes will continue to enable passengers, particularly business passengers, to make same-day return journeys. As always, it remains open to the appointed air carriers to provide additional non-PSO services on the routes in question.
The total maximum contracted subvention for the three-year contract term on all routes will be €45.8 million.
Minister Cullen said: “The PSO programme is vitally important in providing essential air access to the regions. It enables Government to contribute to more balanced regional development by guaranteeing scheduled air services for tourism and business.
“Both Loganair and Aer Arann have provided a high quality service under the PSO programme to date and I am confident this will continue under these new contracts. The proposed new timetables will provide convenient flight times for business travellers and tourists and continued growth in passenger numbers at the regional airports is anticipated. The continuation of Government support for regional air services will have a very positive impact on regional development through increased economic activity, tourism and employment”, Minister Cullen concluded.
LOG - LDY, NOC
RE after LOG refusal - SXL, CFN
RE - 4, LOG - 2
Cullen announces PSO Contracts for Regional Air Routes
Transport Minister, Martin Cullen, T.D. announced today (26th May 2005) that following an EU Public Tender process, contracts to provide scheduled air services on the six Public Service Obligation (PSO) regional air routes have been secured by Aer Arann and Loganair. As before, the new contracts are for a three-year period, commencing 22 July 2005.
Aer Arann has been awarded contracts to continue operating scheduled services on routes linking Dublin with the regional airports in Galway, Kerry, Sligo and Donegal. The Scottish regional carrier Loganair has been awarded the contract for the operation of routes linking Dublin with Knock and City of Derry Airports.
Under the new PSO contracts, Aer Arann will provide three daily return services on the Galway and Kerry routes and two daily return services on the Sligo and Donegal routes. Loganair will provide two daily return services on the Derry route and one return service each day on the Knock route. Scheduled departure times on all routes will continue to enable passengers, particularly business passengers, to make same-day return journeys. As always, it remains open to the appointed air carriers to provide additional non-PSO services on the routes in question.
The total maximum contracted subvention for the three-year contract term on all routes will be €45.8 million.
Minister Cullen said: “The PSO programme is vitally important in providing essential air access to the regions. It enables Government to contribute to more balanced regional development by guaranteeing scheduled air services for tourism and business.
“Both Loganair and Aer Arann have provided a high quality service under the PSO programme to date and I am confident this will continue under these new contracts. The proposed new timetables will provide convenient flight times for business travellers and tourists and continued growth in passenger numbers at the regional airports is anticipated. The continuation of Government support for regional air services will have a very positive impact on regional development through increased economic activity, tourism and employment”, Minister Cullen concluded.
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Do you think LC will also take over RE's NOC - LPL sector? RE isn't able to continue the service without operating to LPL from another station as the a/c routes DUB - NOC - LPL - NOC, returning to DUB the following morning as per the PSO obligations.
Incidentally, any ideas how NOC - LPL has performed in its early days?
Incidentally, any ideas how NOC - LPL has performed in its early days?
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46m Euro for all six routes is a serious reduction on the 2002 round of PSOs when five routes (i.e. all except Derry) were awarded for 56m Euro to Arann and Euroceltic( http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp...g=ENG&loc=1138 ). Arann received on average 18.6m euro per year in subsidy (possibly more depending on the financing of the two routes inherited when Euroceltic went swimming), reducing now to probably at best 12m Euro, assuming Logan get around 3m per year for NOC and LDY.
Fair play to Arann for bidding so low and winning four (ok, SXL and CFN are after extra time) - it's good to see they are now strong enough to survive with 6.5m less of subsidy per year.
Fair play to Arann for bidding so low and winning four (ok, SXL and CFN are after extra time) - it's good to see they are now strong enough to survive with 6.5m less of subsidy per year.