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As an FO wanting to jump into the pool we've been told that there 35 there already, 15 to 20 will be offered command by August and the rest after that. So for anyone jumping into the pool expect a years wait.
Definitly no DEC Boeing commands but still DEC for Airbus fleet.
Definitly no DEC Boeing commands but still DEC for Airbus fleet.
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I hope you are right about the loyalty bonus, i guess we shall see in a few months.
the 12% comes from the scaled down TRSS wage. The FO's who are on that are paying £23k up front for the training, and are being paid £5k a year less than any other F/O, who is not on the scheme. (5000/40000 = 0.12 approx). So compared to the old F/O wage you are £25k over 5 years worse off, which in my book is a 'b' scale or effectively a pay cut.
As far as commands go, i agree that airbus dec's may be few and far between, but what happens to all the 737 F/O's once the a319 guys start to come through with the required experience in total time AND time on the bus. The available commands are going to become increasingly focussed on the bus fleet. It will be a shame for the 737 guys if they start getting jumped because of the time and difficulty of doing the rating then the command course. I hope the first few guys and gals doing the type rating/command upgrade are switched on as it is going to be hard work. I agree with your "slowed down" as it is all relative. It is not a long time to wait in comparison to the time to command in other companies.It would be nice,though, if we had a fair and transparent process for the upgrade instead of the current system. Like the amount of flying you do, the process of getting recommended for command can vary from base to base.
There are a couple of people on courses over the next few months who have been waiting in excess of 6 months. Even with continued expansion the wait is probably going to get longer. In fact expansion was part of the problem as people were being told that there was not enough F/O's to cover flying duties and enable people to be released for command courses from the 737 side of things.
I hope you are right about the loyalty bonus, i guess we shall see in a few months.
the 12% comes from the scaled down TRSS wage. The FO's who are on that are paying £23k up front for the training, and are being paid £5k a year less than any other F/O, who is not on the scheme. (5000/40000 = 0.12 approx). So compared to the old F/O wage you are £25k over 5 years worse off, which in my book is a 'b' scale or effectively a pay cut.
As far as commands go, i agree that airbus dec's may be few and far between, but what happens to all the 737 F/O's once the a319 guys start to come through with the required experience in total time AND time on the bus. The available commands are going to become increasingly focussed on the bus fleet. It will be a shame for the 737 guys if they start getting jumped because of the time and difficulty of doing the rating then the command course. I hope the first few guys and gals doing the type rating/command upgrade are switched on as it is going to be hard work. I agree with your "slowed down" as it is all relative. It is not a long time to wait in comparison to the time to command in other companies.It would be nice,though, if we had a fair and transparent process for the upgrade instead of the current system. Like the amount of flying you do, the process of getting recommended for command can vary from base to base.
There are a couple of people on courses over the next few months who have been waiting in excess of 6 months. Even with continued expansion the wait is probably going to get longer. In fact expansion was part of the problem as people were being told that there was not enough F/O's to cover flying duties and enable people to be released for command courses from the 737 side of things.
Hi Bloggs,
All very fair and reanoble. Yes, TRSS is an unfortunate sign of the times, though generally a fairer system than available most other places. Hopefully market forces will prevail in our favour and such things will be consigned to history.
The retoric has been that no FO will be disadvantaged for being on the Boeing. They SHOULD get their upgrade onto the Bus in order of entering the pool, even if it is ahead of a 'bus qualified guy. We need to keep an eye on this and make sure the company comply, but I haven't seen any reason not to take them at their word.
EZY are out to make a quid. We should all be very greatful for this, as I've had the experience of working for companies that couldn't.A lot of guys who want to fly bigguns a long way are getting the opertunity to do so elsewhere, and I wish them well. But as somewhere to hang ones hat and be home most nights, they are about the best around.
I recently had the chance to jump into the FRying pan and, all things considered, felt much better off staying on EZYstreet!!
All very fair and reanoble. Yes, TRSS is an unfortunate sign of the times, though generally a fairer system than available most other places. Hopefully market forces will prevail in our favour and such things will be consigned to history.
The retoric has been that no FO will be disadvantaged for being on the Boeing. They SHOULD get their upgrade onto the Bus in order of entering the pool, even if it is ahead of a 'bus qualified guy. We need to keep an eye on this and make sure the company comply, but I haven't seen any reason not to take them at their word.
EZY are out to make a quid. We should all be very greatful for this, as I've had the experience of working for companies that couldn't.A lot of guys who want to fly bigguns a long way are getting the opertunity to do so elsewhere, and I wish them well. But as somewhere to hang ones hat and be home most nights, they are about the best around.
I recently had the chance to jump into the FRying pan and, all things considered, felt much better off staying on EZYstreet!!
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have to disagree, there is nothing fair about it at all. Not only do you pay for the training up front, but the company don't even pay a full F/O wage. Absolutely no risk to the company and they don't even invest in their staff by paying for training.
A fairer system would be to at least pay people the full F/O wage. Still have the money up front for the type rating, showing a commitment to the job from the prospective employee, and if you stay the money is repaid over 5 years, a commitment to you from the company. If you leave early you carry the cost with you and the company doesn't have to chase you for the cash. Can't get fairer than that in this day and age. The current system is taking the piss.
fair enough, but it shouldn't be doing it from their staff.
plenty of people are looking at their options at the moment too, and things like the TRSS and loyalty bonus are going to encourage more people to leave, just when easy doesn't really need to be losing crew. Lets not even mention the new Captains who have been trying to get back to a home base that has just gone bus.
Yes, TRSS is an unfortunate sign of the times, though generally a fairer system than available most other places.
A fairer system would be to at least pay people the full F/O wage. Still have the money up front for the type rating, showing a commitment to the job from the prospective employee, and if you stay the money is repaid over 5 years, a commitment to you from the company. If you leave early you carry the cost with you and the company doesn't have to chase you for the cash. Can't get fairer than that in this day and age. The current system is taking the piss.
EZY are out to make a quid.
I recently had the chance to jump into the FRying pan and, all things considered, felt much better off staying on EZYstreet!!
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have to disagree, there is nothing fair about it at all. Not only do you pay for the training up front, but the company don't even pay a full F/O wage. Absolutely no risk to the company and they don't even invest in their staff by paying for training.
have to disagree, there is nothing fair about it at all. Not only do you pay for the training up front, but the company don't even pay a full F/O wage. Absolutely no risk to the company and they don't even invest in their staff by paying for training.
Still, fair or not they do it because they can. There are enough Wannabees who will subscibe, so what exactley would be the companys motivation to do otherwise?
