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FokkerWokker, sorry to say that your faith in Baywatcher's sources is totally unfounded. As I am sure that if both of you had any serious time in GF you would not come up with a statement that the Capt invovled is H.A. nephew.
Great sources
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What seems to be overlooked is that GFs insurers in London read about these sort of events on these & other boards. And guess what if (after investigation) it 'holds water' up go the premiums, which are quite high enough after 3 losses since the A320 at AUH.
Remember the Malaysian 747's landing @ LHR with 1 or 2 tons of fuel left a few years back. Well, (i'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) it doesn't happen any more, who sorted that?
PPrune has its uses.
Remember the Malaysian 747's landing @ LHR with 1 or 2 tons of fuel left a few years back. Well, (i'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) it doesn't happen any more, who sorted that?
PPrune has its uses.
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I would say take-off performance calculations worked out for a full length departure from the longer and/or 'obstacle free' runway whereas actual departure was from an intersection on a shorter and/or 'obstacle penalised' runway. Blended with copious ammounts of face saving.
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Are you not going to mention the copious amounts of speculation by people who have no facts? Guilty til proven innocent it seems, hope you never find yourself in that situation.
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Or if they departed off their intended runway, maybe they based their calculations upon the ZFW instead of the TOW. They would give a low Flex & low Vspeeds but realistically the aircraft would gobble up MUCH more runway. Either way, a 'ground strike' followed by an immediate return is a hazard & unfortunately the nature of the job. NOT landing immediately is tantermount to wreckless endangerment especially if it is to save face!
Comments Ironbutt? Vfenext?
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heard so many variations on the theme, that it would be irresponsible for me to comment, and none of these from official, or sources "in the know", just a bunch of pilots in the ops room, speculating like the folks here...so gonna wait and see what the outcome of the investigation is.....
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Ironbutt
The EK Jo'burg crew made the correct decision and landed ASAP therefore not jeopardising the crew, pax and aircraft by continuing for a 7+ hour pressurised flight. The 'Captain' of the Gulf Air 151 flight did not.
The pax contributing information, producing visible evidence and bringing it to the attention of the crew only for it to be ignored beggars belief.
We've been here before, at a place called Kegworth.
Feel free to post the outcome of the 'investigation' here. I haven't had a good laugh in ages.
The EK Jo'burg crew made the correct decision and landed ASAP therefore not jeopardising the crew, pax and aircraft by continuing for a 7+ hour pressurised flight. The 'Captain' of the Gulf Air 151 flight did not.
The pax contributing information, producing visible evidence and bringing it to the attention of the crew only for it to be ignored beggars belief.
We've been here before, at a place called Kegworth.
Feel free to post the outcome of the 'investigation' here. I haven't had a good laugh in ages.
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not comparing the two...not criticizing either crew...ek rushed things and fired the crew...no? then hired them back... GF take it's time and sort it out properly the first time (I hope)...
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Funny how in some cases, with some pilots.....that just the sound of something unusual is enough to justify a return to the airport for safety reasons.... no screaming or irate pax required.....
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=837323&size=L
I'm telling you, I've had it flying with Gulf and the other 'save face at all costs' airlines!
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=837323&size=L
I'm telling you, I've had it flying with Gulf and the other 'save face at all costs' airlines!
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Good Farrell...stay away...hippity hop 'round your own country...find an airline that hasn't had a misadventure...what about the lying and covering up during the concorde investigation....metal strip??? what about the wheel spacer missing, and other evidence "sequestered" by the French investigators, and denied inspection by the other involved parties....
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Skinny Dog and thingyme bay
You might find your imaginary dog not in some miaginary bay but closer to you in Abu Dhabi where he is this time and after much trying somwhere else to run his own airline. Still with no log entries but with the captain's stripes!
We are pleased to announce though that the airline industry is showing positive growth after all these positive climbs as Abu Dhabi Airport now have a dedicated service for clearing up the runways from the unsuspected bits of rubber of unknown origin found on a daily basis!
As a matter of fact GAMCO have announced the opening of their new retreading facility in the hangar and trap shutting ward in their clinic.
We are pleased to announce though that the airline industry is showing positive growth after all these positive climbs as Abu Dhabi Airport now have a dedicated service for clearing up the runways from the unsuspected bits of rubber of unknown origin found on a daily basis!
As a matter of fact GAMCO have announced the opening of their new retreading facility in the hangar and trap shutting ward in their clinic.
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ironbutt57........whoa! dude, relax there........just a joke man! Jesus!......
If your around the Wisconsin area in June, PM me and we'll go for a Blue Moon or a steak!
Sorry to have p*ssed you off!
oh and ..... I'm not French....I'm Irish......we don't cover up anything!
If your around the Wisconsin area in June, PM me and we'll go for a Blue Moon or a steak!
Sorry to have p*ssed you off!
oh and ..... I'm not French....I'm Irish......we don't cover up anything!
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I'm not impressed with GF's safety standards. Flew recently DXB-BAH on an A320.Some pax never switched their mobile phones off until the aircraft was well into the air, despite the PA by the crew saying they weren't to be used during the flight. I tried to tell some of the cabin crew but all I got was a shrug, some pax smoked openly... the list was endless. Suffice it to say for the return I flew back to DXB with my own carrier. I will NEVER travel with GF again!
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If I'd known about some of the horror stories that the ex-GF F/O's now in EK tell about sim'details they've witnessed while at GF then I wouldn't have travelled GF in the first place!