EZY fall foul of ABZ curfew
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EZY fall foul of ABZ curfew
If anyone wondered why EZY & the other carriers wonder about providing ABZ services,last night's farce probably proved their point.
24hr opening has been agreed but not yet implemented by the BAA.
Last night EZY 144 to LTN with 136 pax aboard was forced to spend the night at ABZ because it ran out of time.
The inbound flight arrived late,at about 2215hrs(usually scheduled 1930hrs).
The outbound flight was taxying for departure when ATC told it to return to stand as it would not have made the 2300hrs deadline for departing scheduled flights.The aircraft was almost at the threshold when advised,so it had to taxy onto the main runway & exit at the first available taxiway to return to the apron.
Cue P*$$3d off pax/crew/airline/handling agent/etc...
Ironically it MAY have made it(just)had the tug pushing it back from stand initially NOT BROKEN DOWN at first!!!
WOT A FARCE!!
24hr opening has been agreed but not yet implemented by the BAA.
Last night EZY 144 to LTN with 136 pax aboard was forced to spend the night at ABZ because it ran out of time.
The inbound flight arrived late,at about 2215hrs(usually scheduled 1930hrs).
The outbound flight was taxying for departure when ATC told it to return to stand as it would not have made the 2300hrs deadline for departing scheduled flights.The aircraft was almost at the threshold when advised,so it had to taxy onto the main runway & exit at the first available taxiway to return to the apron.
Cue P*$$3d off pax/crew/airline/handling agent/etc...
Ironically it MAY have made it(just)had the tug pushing it back from stand initially NOT BROKEN DOWN at first!!!
WOT A FARCE!!
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Fire cover is provided until at least 2330 which is the present cut-off time for arrivals.
I can't understand why the EZY wasn't allowed to go, because all it needed was council permission (which is in place), fire cover (which was in place) and ATC (which is there all night).
Seems to me that 136 pax + crew were made to suffer for nothing. So much for customer service. I hope prospective new airlines for ABZ didn't notice!
I can't understand why the EZY wasn't allowed to go, because all it needed was council permission (which is in place), fire cover (which was in place) and ATC (which is there all night).
Seems to me that 136 pax + crew were made to suffer for nothing. So much for customer service. I hope prospective new airlines for ABZ didn't notice!
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"Easy 144, the Airport Authority advise that you will not be permitted to depart after 2200 (GMT). With that condition Push and start approved" It looks like a broken tug had some bearing on what happened.
The guy/gals in the tower are "piggies-in-the-middle" in this situation - they have to convey the Airport Owners decisions (over which they have no control) AND take all the resultant flak both verbal and otherwise. If the pilot "thinks" he can get away who are ATC to prevent them? - LAY OFF!
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DD
"Easy 144, the Airport Authority advise that you will not be permitted to depart after 2200 (GMT). With that condition Push and start approved" It looks like a broken tug had some bearing on what happened.
The guy/gals in the tower are "piggies-in-the-middle" in this situation - they have to convey the Airport Owners decisions (over which they have no control) AND take all the resultant flak both verbal and otherwise. If the pilot "thinks" he can get away who are ATC to prevent them? - LAY OFF!
Rant Over
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Afternoon guys & gals.
Would like to stress that I don't blame ATC in any way,when I first posted.
The decision was made by the airport Duty Manager,which ATC had to convey to the pilot.
The whole curfew thing dates back to the days of the Trident,1-11 etc,when aircraft WERE aircraft!But noisier(allegedly).
I agree that surely the aircraft should have been allowed to go but,as has been said,technically they may have been falling foul of "regulations".
But had they let it go,would the Aberdeen City Council REALLY have done anything about it?I doubt it myself.Shrugged their collective shoulders probably.
Would like to stress that I don't blame ATC in any way,when I first posted.
The decision was made by the airport Duty Manager,which ATC had to convey to the pilot.
The whole curfew thing dates back to the days of the Trident,1-11 etc,when aircraft WERE aircraft!But noisier(allegedly).
I agree that surely the aircraft should have been allowed to go but,as has been said,technically they may have been falling foul of "regulations".
But had they let it go,would the Aberdeen City Council REALLY have done anything about it?I doubt it myself.Shrugged their collective shoulders probably.
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Charles & Cammy
Prince of Wales & new bride Duchess of Cornwall/Princess of Wales/future Queen/100-1 shot in Grand National(take your pick)have landed at ABZ in a Bae146 of Queen's Flight.
Good job THEY weren't delayed at their reception or they could have been denied landing...
Good job THEY weren't delayed at their reception or they could have been denied landing...
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On the basis that the a/c was at the threshold and fully ready for departure, would it have been feasible for ATC to quickly check with the ADM to release it and then penalise EZY with a fine after the event ? Mind you, ATC probably did that already and the BAA in all their wisdom no doubt said no without even thinking about it. Clever way to encourage expansion and increase movements - NOT 
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Hey V9
You seriously thing ATC get a kick out of being piggy in the middle between the pilots and mangement? The tower ATCO just wants to keep the traffic moving and couldn't give a monkeys about fines. Sounds like you have an axe to grind against the wedding cake dwellers..... not a pal of MadJock by any chance?
You seriously thing ATC get a kick out of being piggy in the middle between the pilots and mangement? The tower ATCO just wants to keep the traffic moving and couldn't give a monkeys about fines. Sounds like you have an axe to grind against the wedding cake dwellers..... not a pal of MadJock by any chance?
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I know that ATC aren't happy being piggy in the middle, I was just curious as to whether the question was asked or not.
As for the cake dwellers - yeh right
As for the cake dwellers - yeh right
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It was interesting that special dispensation was given by "the authorities" to Reg Dwight last year to leave after 2300hrs.
That same evening,EARLIER,a CHC Scotia AS332 was denied landing because of missing the deadline!
Reg was playing a concert at Pittodrie Stadium that evening & was allowed away in his ERJ Legacy with entourage.
Doesn't do to keep royalty waiting!
That same evening,EARLIER,a CHC Scotia AS332 was denied landing because of missing the deadline!
Reg was playing a concert at Pittodrie Stadium that evening & was allowed away in his ERJ Legacy with entourage.
Doesn't do to keep royalty waiting!
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It is only a matter of time before Easy got stung at ABZ. Their evening LTN flight rarely arrives and departs on time, probably due to slots and tight turnarounds during the day and these delays build up. Delays of over an hour are quite normal. One close call a while ago involved the aircraft stopping on the taxyway adjacent to the stand and literally pax got off one set of steps and the others got on at the other end at the same time. If you had any fragile goods in the hold then forget it. Bags were being thrown off and on! The aircraft got away with minutes to spare!
It is due in at 1925 and due out at 1945 so it was running about 3 hours late! Aberdeen was one of Easyjets first ever destinations when they used smoky old 737-200s so they know the airport well and the restrictions that are in place.
I would rather pay a bit more and go with bmi or BA if I wanted to get to London during the evening because Easyjet sadly make it difficult for themselves with 20 minute turnarounds so if one flight is late then it is very difficult to make up any time en route.
Anyway - ABZ is getting near full to capacity during peak times. Night flights will be the only option unless bigger departure lounges are made and above all more stands are created!
It is due in at 1925 and due out at 1945 so it was running about 3 hours late! Aberdeen was one of Easyjets first ever destinations when they used smoky old 737-200s so they know the airport well and the restrictions that are in place.
I would rather pay a bit more and go with bmi or BA if I wanted to get to London during the evening because Easyjet sadly make it difficult for themselves with 20 minute turnarounds so if one flight is late then it is very difficult to make up any time en route.
Anyway - ABZ is getting near full to capacity during peak times. Night flights will be the only option unless bigger departure lounges are made and above all more stands are created!
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Quite right MG,interesting what you say re the Stands.
Recently BAA have split Stand 10 when required,so that you can have a Stand 10L & 10R at peak times,usually reserves for EZE & their Jetstreams.
Stand 13 used to be split as 13 & 13R,the latter is now Stand 14.
Believe Stand 1 also has a 1S(ie.South)as required.
It is getting to the stage that more stands,parking places will be needed,especially if the likes of Flybe come aboard as has been rumoured.
Wonder if one of the helicopter terminals on the west side(Bristow or Scotia) could be utilised for fixed wings?Would this be feasible say,for EZE?
Or BAA will just have to create more room at the terminal apron,create more stands & maybe even extending the terminal building!
Recently BAA have split Stand 10 when required,so that you can have a Stand 10L & 10R at peak times,usually reserves for EZE & their Jetstreams.
Stand 13 used to be split as 13 & 13R,the latter is now Stand 14.
Believe Stand 1 also has a 1S(ie.South)as required.
It is getting to the stage that more stands,parking places will be needed,especially if the likes of Flybe come aboard as has been rumoured.
Wonder if one of the helicopter terminals on the west side(Bristow or Scotia) could be utilised for fixed wings?Would this be feasible say,for EZE?
Or BAA will just have to create more room at the terminal apron,create more stands & maybe even extending the terminal building!
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I live under the flightpath of the Abz southerly departure, just as they make a right turn. For the last 8 months that i have lived there, my alarm goes off at 6.30am, and almost immediately I can hear the first flight powering up and taking off. For the past two mornings, Monday and Tuesday, the first flight has been leaving at 6.15. Can anyone tell me why? I thought the curfew wasn't lifted until 6.30!
Before anyone asks, I'm not complaining, I'm just a wannabee with a keen interest in aviation (i.e spotter!!!)
Before anyone asks, I'm not complaining, I'm just a wannabee with a keen interest in aviation (i.e spotter!!!)
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First flight seems to be the Citystar to Oslo just now,brought forward from 0800hrs.
Would guess KLM to AMS next outbound after that.
As for the "creation" at the roundabout - ??????????????
Would guess KLM to AMS next outbound after that.
As for the "creation" at the roundabout - ??????????????
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FlyboyBen,
the first flights of the morning are approved from 0610. I believe a Kestrel A321 found this out to his cost the other day when he had to hold for a while, waiting for the airport to open!
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the first flights of the morning are approved from 0610. I believe a Kestrel A321 found this out to his cost the other day when he had to hold for a while, waiting for the airport to open!
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