18 year old starts his own airline
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FORKINELL,
Ah! the wonders of the information super-highway!
So many mooses, only one kakpipe, Damn they're good-looking!
Give my regards to the King of Rock 'n' Roll and Light Aviation and get him to pm me
Cheers
Kakpipe
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Give my regards to the King of Rock 'n' Roll and Light Aviation and get him to pm me
Cheers
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It will be interesting to see what his loads are like. It's true the other transportation links between the cities are not very good. Unfortunately Oxford airport is not very convenient unless you live close by.
I have often wished for a Heathrow - Oxford commuter service but realized it wasn't practical. The bus is not bad but very boring.
I have often wished for a Heathrow - Oxford commuter service but realized it wasn't practical. The bus is not bad but very boring.
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I have always wondered what the viability is of using Northolt as a commuter feeder for LHR. Maybe an ambitious, young entrepreneur like this guy could make it work!
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Northolt is only allowed so many landings & departures (of civil flights, no restriction on the number of Military flights) per year, due to this, its very expensive to operate into, hence only people with nice expensive bizjets use it.
Biggin is a possibilty but isn't there some clause with the local council that no scheduled passenger operations are allowed there?
London City is expensive to operate into (although Air Med does have the paperwork to allow them to operate flights into there) & the problem with Gatwick/Heathrow is obtaining slots
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Biggin is a possibilty but isn't there some clause with the local council that no scheduled passenger operations are allowed there?
London City is expensive to operate into (although Air Med does have the paperwork to allow them to operate flights into there) & the problem with Gatwick/Heathrow is obtaining slots
Fried Chicken
What a load of Arse. Shouldn't say it - as a Mod but, hells teeth, someone should take that teenager and subject him to a damn good episode of pro-active shaking...
Or is it just me?
WWW
Or is it just me?
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No, not just you WWW, but I'm pleased you said it first. Whilst I wish anyone in this world good luck in a business venture if thay have the b@lls to try it, this really does smack of the silver spoon
Flameproof suit on and extinguisher at the ready.
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Flameproof suit on and extinguisher at the ready.
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On a VG equipped Chieftain...
VYSE 107kts
VMCA 72kts...
MTOW: 7368Ibs
SE Climb rate, ISA conditions at MTOW approx 230FPM, assumes gear and flaps up, cowls closed and 5 deg bank into live engine.
VYSE 107kts
VMCA 72kts...
MTOW: 7368Ibs
SE Climb rate, ISA conditions at MTOW approx 230FPM, assumes gear and flaps up, cowls closed and 5 deg bank into live engine.
May as well get it out of his system now, while he's young. Lord knows, enough people have lost enough money trying to start an airline. This should cure 'em.
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BLP321,
Wind your neck in mate. This lad has started this by himself and not daddy’s money. Why can't we give someone some encouragement rather than trying put people down all the time?
Are you struggling to find employment?????
Wind your neck in mate. This lad has started this by himself and not daddy’s money. Why can't we give someone some encouragement rather than trying put people down all the time?
Are you struggling to find employment?????
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Guys,
Quit your bitching.
This guy used his own money from a business he sold and some inheritance cash.
I wish him luck and it's a shame you have to always take a negative stance on any new venture.
WWW, as a moderator, trying sitting on the fence a little longer pal.
Quit your bitching.
This guy used his own money from a business he sold and some inheritance cash.
I wish him luck and it's a shame you have to always take a negative stance on any new venture.
WWW, as a moderator, trying sitting on the fence a little longer pal.
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Long serving P-PRUNERs may see similarities in this venture to those Walter-Mittyish start-ups planned by The Guvnor.
A fully-detailed website, pictures of aircraft in company livery, invitations to pilots to join, proposals for future growth etc. etc.
But this lad does seem to have the backing of Oxford airport and is starting in a very modest way.
Look at the website: all he is offering initially is an eight seater twin for return trips between Oxford to Cambridge in the morning and similar return trips in the late afternoon. Unlike the Guv with his plans for a fleet of 24 L1011s and bases around the world.
Seems that young Alpha1 has been planning his airline for some time. Read what he has to say at this site
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40094
A fully-detailed website, pictures of aircraft in company livery, invitations to pilots to join, proposals for future growth etc. etc.
But this lad does seem to have the backing of Oxford airport and is starting in a very modest way.
Look at the website: all he is offering initially is an eight seater twin for return trips between Oxford to Cambridge in the morning and similar return trips in the late afternoon. Unlike the Guv with his plans for a fleet of 24 L1011s and bases around the world.
Seems that young Alpha1 has been planning his airline for some time. Read what he has to say at this site
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40094
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Hmmm...check the numbers..
The level of support and goodwill in the forum is warming but looking at the likely overheads, DOCs, sectors, fares and even allowing high load factors make worrying reading. Hopefully the intention to add other destinations will improve the fiscal potential. Good luck neverthess. bm
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Ok here's my view as a person who also started in business at school and now have 15 years of ups and downs, resulting in a strong and profitable business build up over the past 4 years.
The plus points:
The whole 18 year old thing is good for PR and will get an edge to start with. Just like RB (who I admit is a clever, at times man, but I don't like for the way he treated some people) free publicity is always the best publicity.
Also the route could be a niche and there are no competitors flying it.
Being a 'ticket agent' rather than a true airline, will lower starting costs / risks and should ensure the black bottom line sooner rather than later.
The negative points:
With my 15 years of experience, my gut feeling from reading his posts and press releases is '18 years old dreamer heading for a rude awakening' (notice I didn't go as far as say big fall). Why ? well there is only one real reason to be in business on this planet and that is to make a profit. That mentalilty must always be at the fore, and reasoning must always come back to this. To do this yes you need to grow a business, but not expand wildly. I now regard growth and expantion as two different animals.
To see what I mean just look at his words. The plane hasn't left the ground and not a single penny made in profit, yet he already states that larger aircraft are being considered, B1900, J31 etc.
That tells me he's dreaming of future and not fixed on profit.
Well I may not have explained well enough but thats the gut feeling with 15 years behind me and I admit I made a mistake in the past dreaming of the big picture and not looking at the profit.
Other neg. I don't know the market well enough but what stares in the face is. Why did airmed, who own the aircraft, crews, AOC etc look at this over the past year or so only to decide they couldn't give it a go without the right 'marketing partner' Surely if the business case was that clear they would be doing it now.
That just doesn't stack up for me.
But I would like to wish him luck and hope it is a success. I also hope he steps back and looks at the profit before his dreams and various finance agreements on aircraft etc put a blot on his young business life.
The plus points:
The whole 18 year old thing is good for PR and will get an edge to start with. Just like RB (who I admit is a clever, at times man, but I don't like for the way he treated some people) free publicity is always the best publicity.
Also the route could be a niche and there are no competitors flying it.
Being a 'ticket agent' rather than a true airline, will lower starting costs / risks and should ensure the black bottom line sooner rather than later.
The negative points:
With my 15 years of experience, my gut feeling from reading his posts and press releases is '18 years old dreamer heading for a rude awakening' (notice I didn't go as far as say big fall). Why ? well there is only one real reason to be in business on this planet and that is to make a profit. That mentalilty must always be at the fore, and reasoning must always come back to this. To do this yes you need to grow a business, but not expand wildly. I now regard growth and expantion as two different animals.
To see what I mean just look at his words. The plane hasn't left the ground and not a single penny made in profit, yet he already states that larger aircraft are being considered, B1900, J31 etc.
That tells me he's dreaming of future and not fixed on profit.
Well I may not have explained well enough but thats the gut feeling with 15 years behind me and I admit I made a mistake in the past dreaming of the big picture and not looking at the profit.
Other neg. I don't know the market well enough but what stares in the face is. Why did airmed, who own the aircraft, crews, AOC etc look at this over the past year or so only to decide they couldn't give it a go without the right 'marketing partner' Surely if the business case was that clear they would be doing it now.
That just doesn't stack up for me.
But I would like to wish him luck and hope it is a success. I also hope he steps back and looks at the profit before his dreams and various finance agreements on aircraft etc put a blot on his young business life.
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Good luck to him/them
Why not? Just because he's 18. He can do almost anything else in this world, so why not an airline? And who cares where he got funding from, as long as its legal? You think that every airline start up is funded by the bloke heading it up? Almost every funding method requires the input from someone elses pot. Seems this kid might even be more genuine in that this is his money... and surely you pilots should only applaud creation of more jobs, especially at the entry level this outfit will support?
BTW - Stan, even the Guv had public support of Prestwick management, even if he did dupe them like everyone else!! Is he still locked up? Hope so..... (off thread, sorry...)
BTW - Stan, even the Guv had public support of Prestwick management, even if he did dupe them like everyone else!! Is he still locked up? Hope so..... (off thread, sorry...)