easyJet & Euromanx head to head on the Isle of Man?

[CAP670]

At 1753 metres, the runway at IOM isn't long enough to enable an easyJet Boeing 737 to operate out of the Island with a commercially viable payload.

And Ryanair requires not less than 2000 metres for its 737 aircraft.

Anyway, Euromanx very probably won't last and so in a year's time the market will probably be where it was two or three years ago...

Stay ........

[starbag]

I'm not a pilot, but AEU have operated 73G's into IOM to TFS (load restiricted) and 757s to PRG. Shouldn't be any load retrictions to LTN should there?

[STANDTO]

EZY would fill a 737 to Palma or Malaga if they decided to punt one off the end of the runway at RON, say five times during the summer season.

Ultimaltely we need one operator going on and off the Island. It could be done, with carefully chosen destinations; one north, south east and west.

My dear old mum lives in Menorca. They get a third off all domestic travel on presenting her residencia permit. Notwithstanding Manx Independence, it would seem a sensible thing to do here - viability with a bit of stability

[jem star]

Come on guys,

We of all people know it will never happen. I personally am hoping euromanx are still around as have applied for a job with them, would love the chance to personally see shower of s**t emerald off the liverpool as have been shafted by them good and proper.

If anyones going to be gone it will be them.

J S

[part69]

Jemstar

The amount of bull that comes out your mouth no wonder you got shafted.
Euromanx's gain though, you would fit in well dressed in red selling tickets, as your not fit to be flight crew!!

[PAXboy]

if they decided to punt one off the end of the runway at RON, say five times during the summer season.

Not going to happen. Operators want to run a route every day. At the least, they want to run it once a week but to operate a route for only half a dozen rotations? No money in that. The cost of setting up is never going to be recovered.

If the IOM gov decided to run the airport as a non-profit company? Then they could use it as a springboard for tourism. Mind, that I am not saying it should run as a loss but only at break even.

As far as I can see, the gov wants to make a profit.

[spanner the cat]

What's required for the Rock is one maybe two airlines running services on routes licenced by the Government. All the Manx government seems to want to do is grandstand how many destinations are flown from the island and never mind what sort of quality is provided by the operators.

As for the notion of a low cost carrier coming in it is laughable to suggest that it would happen with EZY's and FR 's business models. Even if it did happen the fare structure would still cause late bookers to be crucified in order to subsidise the early bookers and it certainly wouldn't be like the old farecrackers where every seat on certain flights was a fixed price.

Is the Moaning (I mean Mannin) line still in existence? Because if so I'm sure that whoever does decide to operate in and out will still receive a good kicking on the radio from angry of Castletown etc.

[True Manxman]

Paxboy

IOM Airport is already run as a break even operation and already do what they can to encourage new operators/routes by way of incentives that are available to anyone who wants them, still got to cover costs though.

Spanner the cat, moanin line still going strong, only once a week now though, sometimes the truth hurts

[PAXboy]

T.M. Thanks for that, I was unaware. With regards to the Moanin Line, "Angry of Castletown" is probably my mother.

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[Hansol]

True Manxman - I'd love to see the figures you call "break even" RON is one of the most expensive airports in the country, they need to cut costs and improve their service to attract business.
One example - If security operated any slower it would be going backwards, ask any business traveller the place is a laughing stock !

[rubik101]

A few years ago, when BRS was served by a few 50 seaters with ridiculously expensive seat prices, GO, soon to absorb easyJet, moved there with 3 B737-300s and began operations to new destinations, as well as the established UK routes.
Now, the 50 seaters are gone, probably to the IOM, and easyJet now runs a fleet of 7, soon to be 8 aircraft out of what is one of their most profiatble bases. No chance eayJet to fly in and out of IOM? Don't bank on it!

[brabazon]

Rubik101 - which 50 seaters do you mean the Dash 8-300s or the now used ERJ145s?

[True Manxman]

Hansol - I would love to see the figures myself, but it is government policy that the airport operates on a non profit making basis. Good incentives are already given to new operators and for new routes, discount landing fees, load supplements etc etc, all to encourage new business. Surely to cut costs any further would impact on security and make it run even slower. I would much rather take an extra few minutes and be checked properly, than be rushed through and hardly checked at all.

[Hansol]

Manxman you are missing my point, security at RON is slow and badly organised, perhaps because it is sub contracted to a third party securicor. As a business traveller I see numerous airports and RON is second rate because it can be. Government run and financed it has no incentive to up its game.

In the past the business community on the Island have been shafted by high fares and poor service, now hard times are here the place must be losing money, but there is no sense of urgency from Gov (as usual), they will continue to fiddle as Rome burns.

[skiddyiom]

Hansol,

I have to agree with you re. security. It is farcical that the airlines have flights leaving from 06.40 and the security check point doesn't open until 06.15. Most mornings are chaotic because of this.
However, the security people work an exceedingly long day, not sure of the exact details. It's about time someone in authority had a long hard look at how the airport is run and made some changes.
It may be a "non profit making" enterprise. That shouldn't equate to inneficient.
Should the miracle happen and someone like Easyjet do start on the island, this is a problem that would have to be addressed.
Even more so when they eventually open the extra gates.
They can't have increased traffic with the same inefficient system in place.

skiddy

[corky83]

Hansol, you've confused me! When you say RON, do you mean IOM? RON is actually Rondon, Colombia.

[Hansol]

Corky - you are confused ? One is a banana republic and the other is in Columbia !

[Ronaldsway Radar]

Hey all,

Granted, ticket prices out of Ronaldsway are pricy to say the least, and operations can be non-profitable and un-economical. If more airlines operated...say....the AT43, or the DH8C, they would get (most of the time) full loads (almost) and a good profit. Now yes, you can have a go at me "oh you dont know nothing about running an airline etc" and true, I dont, but I do know that nearly everytime I see the Eastern flights or the JEM flights arriving, they are pretty much full! So maybe a few more turboprops should be used?! Sorry if I sounded like a 'know-it-all' was just my view of things.
If i'm talking out of my rear let me know, and i'll shut up again!
RR

(Yes I know Eastern and FlyJem dont operate the DH8C or the AT43 I was just using some examples)

[lfc84]

According to press report in Isle of Man examiner Easyjet have dropped plans for an Isle of Man route.

No-go for EasyJet
03/10/05
3FM

EasyJet have pulled out of plans to operate to the Isle of Man.

The low cost airline had been in talks with the Government with a view to running a service between the Island and London.

It’s believed the budget carrier is concerned about the length of the runway at Ronaldsway airport.

http://www.isleofman.com/locallife/news/

http://www.iomonline.co.im/ViewArtic...icleID=1208921