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Article that tends to support the view that NZ will be adding extra services, maybe to LGW
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10369967
There is an article in today's Times about holidays in French Polynesia, that mentions flights by NZ from LGW via LAX, but I suspect that is just a misprint.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...101578,00.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10369967
There is an article in today's Times about holidays in French Polynesia, that mentions flights by NZ from LGW via LAX, but I suspect that is just a misprint.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...101578,00.html
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I have been told by someone who should know that when the second service is introduced if LGW has to be used (and NZ are still hoping to use LHR), the routings will be LHR-HKG-AKL and LGW-LAX-AKL.
Seemingly the biggest decline over the LAX issue is in C class pax who simply won't put up with the LAX experience (I'm one of them) and NZ hope to attract them back by routing the LHR service through the eastern hemisphere.
I don't know how related this is but I've been surveyed twice this year on SQ between SIN and AKL about alternative routings from the UK, particularly HKG and my view about services that don't offer F class - maybe they know something we don't.
Seemingly the biggest decline over the LAX issue is in C class pax who simply won't put up with the LAX experience (I'm one of them) and NZ hope to attract them back by routing the LHR service through the eastern hemisphere.
I don't know how related this is but I've been surveyed twice this year on SQ between SIN and AKL about alternative routings from the UK, particularly HKG and my view about services that don't offer F class - maybe they know something we don't.
Air NZ `Eastabout`? Routing
Hi Folks,
Has anyone in the know, got any confirmation or further recent info at all, re Air NZ's possible routes via the Far East rather than via US. There was also some talk on this thread, that they were looking at MAN as well as LHR & LGW, for me EGCC would be great, but commercial matters of course must take priority.
I contacted Air NZ on this matter & although they were quick to reply, they were very loath indeed to make any comment on just what is going on here.
Anyone on the inside with any updates at all please.
Many thanks.
Has anyone in the know, got any confirmation or further recent info at all, re Air NZ's possible routes via the Far East rather than via US. There was also some talk on this thread, that they were looking at MAN as well as LHR & LGW, for me EGCC would be great, but commercial matters of course must take priority.
I contacted Air NZ on this matter & although they were quick to reply, they were very loath indeed to make any comment on just what is going on here.
Anyone on the inside with any updates at all please.
Many thanks.
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Sort of off topic but ..
Just out of interest is the 777 able to fly HKG-LGW safely?
Ie what altitude can the 777 maintain one engine INOP?
Would it have to route around a certain Mountain range or is it able to route as per 744 or A343?
Just out of interest is the 777 able to fly HKG-LGW safely?
Ie what altitude can the 777 maintain one engine INOP?
Would it have to route around a certain Mountain range or is it able to route as per 744 or A343?
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it's about the Diverts not the altitude so much?
A 7 can fly on one engine easily of course. I admit I don't know at what altitude but it can do it.
If Jal can fly 7's over Siberia in to TYO I'm sure NZ could make HKG over Russia & China. However it does raise the question of why have'nt CX ever used the & on HKG - LHR
A 7 can fly on one engine easily of course. I admit I don't know at what altitude but it can do it.
If Jal can fly 7's over Siberia in to TYO I'm sure NZ could make HKG over Russia & China. However it does raise the question of why have'nt CX ever used the & on HKG - LHR
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IIRC, there may be an issue with the Himalayas? Doesn't one of the standard routes involve some careful analysis of the engine failure or depressuisation case at each point along it, because of the high MSAs? I wonder whether a 777 might have an issue of having to take less favourable routings to avoid the problem, and therefore suffer economic penalties compared to a four-engine aircraft.
I'd be interested to see if anyone who knows something about the topic has anything to say on this.
I'd be interested to see if anyone who knows something about the topic has anything to say on this.
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Originally Posted by Desk Driver
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Does'nt every aircraft have a problem with the himalayas because you can't get low enough in a decomp emergency??
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Does'nt every aircraft have a problem with the himalayas because you can't get low enough in a decomp emergency??
AF may fly CDG-HKG with 777's but they certainly fly beck by a lowish MSA route via Beijing and outer mongolia. The high ground on the outbound around Urumqi is when theres much less fuel left.
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AKL-HKG-LHR 744 from Oct 28th
"Air New Zealand announces second London service via Asia
Air New Zealand today announced plans to launch a second daily service between Auckland and London flying via Hong Kong to London Heathrow Airport.
Commencing on 28 October 2006, the second service doubles Air New Zealand’s current capacity between New Zealand and the United Kingdom.
“Demand for travel between the United Kingdom and New Zealand has grown significantly since we first launched a daily service in 1998, with annual arrivals to New Zealand increasing by more than 10 percent on average,” said Air New Zealand Group General Manager International Airlines, Ed Sims.
“Over this time we have invested heavily to promote New Zealand as a destination, and this year, we will be increasing our current advertising and promotional spend by 50 percent in the United Kingdom and Europe markets to ensure we drive further growth,” he said.
“The additional capacity will leave us better placed to take advantage of the demand we have created, especially during peak seasons when our flights are 90 to 100 percent full. More excitingly, we can stimulate new demand with higher frequency and new routing options, including the world’s only current round-the-world service on one airline.
“We will also be the only Star Alliance carrier to operate between Hong Kong and London, which is fantastic news for our Star partners and customers,” said Mr Sims.
Air New Zealand will operate the route utilising newly refurbished Boeing 747-400 aircraft. The 393-seat aircraft includes 46 lie-flat Business Premier seats, 23 Pacific Premium Economy seats and 324 seats in Pacific Economy.
Mr Sims said Air New Zealand’s research has found New Zealanders prefer to fly their national carrier to and from United Kingdom.
“Kiwis have recognised that one of the world’s longest journeys is more enjoyable on our new long-haul service featuring lie-flat beds in Business Premier, extra comfort and legroom in Pacific Premium Economy, and on-demand digital video entertainment and more personal space in every seat,” he said.
Air New Zealand will operate the following schedule, subject to timeslot, capacity and regulatory approvals:
Flight No. Schedule Flight Time
NZ88 Departs AKL 2359
Arrives HKG 0615+1 11:16
Departs HKG 0815
Arrives LHR 1330+1 13:15
NZ87 Departs LHR 2115
Arrives HKG 1700+1 11:45
Departs HKG 1900
Arrives AKL 1045+1 10:45
“These arrival and departure times offer favourable connectivity at Hong Kong and Heathrow airports. The transit time of two hours in Hong Kong is equivalent to our Los Angeles stopover, and is one of the shortest for travel between London and Auckland,” said Mr Sims.
Sales for the second United Kingdom service are available from today. Return economy class airfares from Auckland to London start from $2615 excluding airport taxes."
Source: ATI
Air New Zealand today announced plans to launch a second daily service between Auckland and London flying via Hong Kong to London Heathrow Airport.
Commencing on 28 October 2006, the second service doubles Air New Zealand’s current capacity between New Zealand and the United Kingdom.
“Demand for travel between the United Kingdom and New Zealand has grown significantly since we first launched a daily service in 1998, with annual arrivals to New Zealand increasing by more than 10 percent on average,” said Air New Zealand Group General Manager International Airlines, Ed Sims.
“Over this time we have invested heavily to promote New Zealand as a destination, and this year, we will be increasing our current advertising and promotional spend by 50 percent in the United Kingdom and Europe markets to ensure we drive further growth,” he said.
“The additional capacity will leave us better placed to take advantage of the demand we have created, especially during peak seasons when our flights are 90 to 100 percent full. More excitingly, we can stimulate new demand with higher frequency and new routing options, including the world’s only current round-the-world service on one airline.
“We will also be the only Star Alliance carrier to operate between Hong Kong and London, which is fantastic news for our Star partners and customers,” said Mr Sims.
Air New Zealand will operate the route utilising newly refurbished Boeing 747-400 aircraft. The 393-seat aircraft includes 46 lie-flat Business Premier seats, 23 Pacific Premium Economy seats and 324 seats in Pacific Economy.
Mr Sims said Air New Zealand’s research has found New Zealanders prefer to fly their national carrier to and from United Kingdom.
“Kiwis have recognised that one of the world’s longest journeys is more enjoyable on our new long-haul service featuring lie-flat beds in Business Premier, extra comfort and legroom in Pacific Premium Economy, and on-demand digital video entertainment and more personal space in every seat,” he said.
Air New Zealand will operate the following schedule, subject to timeslot, capacity and regulatory approvals:
Flight No. Schedule Flight Time
NZ88 Departs AKL 2359
Arrives HKG 0615+1 11:16
Departs HKG 0815
Arrives LHR 1330+1 13:15
NZ87 Departs LHR 2115
Arrives HKG 1700+1 11:45
Departs HKG 1900
Arrives AKL 1045+1 10:45
“These arrival and departure times offer favourable connectivity at Hong Kong and Heathrow airports. The transit time of two hours in Hong Kong is equivalent to our Los Angeles stopover, and is one of the shortest for travel between London and Auckland,” said Mr Sims.
Sales for the second United Kingdom service are available from today. Return economy class airfares from Auckland to London start from $2615 excluding airport taxes."
Source: ATI
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Thanks from me, too, Ed. I know a few Kiwis who will be cheered by this news.
Thanks, also, to PPRuNe. It just goes to show that many of those rumours are absolutely spot on.
Thanks, also, to PPRuNe. It just goes to show that many of those rumours are absolutely spot on.
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Read someone elsewhere pointing out the bleeding obvious that hadn't occurred to me: NZ will join a select band of airlines that have offered, at some stage, round-the-world flights all on its own metal: AKL-HKG-LHR-LAX-AKL.
Originally Posted by Desk Driver
AF fly the 777 CDG - HKG
Does'nt every aircraft have a problem with the himalayas because you can't get low enough in a decomp emergency??
Does'nt every aircraft have a problem with the himalayas because you can't get low enough in a decomp emergency??
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Air New Zealand didn't like its Boeing fleet?
AIRBUS has strengthened its foothold in Australasia after wining an order for 14 A320s to replace 15 Air New Zealand Boeing 737-300s.
The order continues a march by the European manufacturer that has seen it go from a handful of aircraft at Ansett at the beginning to decade, to winning significant orders at Qantas, Jetstar and Air New Zealand.
The latest jets, destined for Air NZ’s domestic routes, join 12 A320s already deployed on short-haul international routes. Air NZ also has purchase rights for another 11 planes, including the possibility of moving to the bigger A321.
The 14 aircraft list at more than $US1 billion ($1bn), but the airline said today it had bought them at a discount “that reflects the current market conditions”.
“This is a very good time to buy aircraft,” said Bruce Parton, Air NZ’s group general manager (short haul airline).
“The industry is at the bottom of a deep cycle, so demand for aircraft is limited, creating favourable conditions for buyers with strong balance sheets like Air New Zealand.”
The airline expects the first aircraft to arrive in January, 2011, with the remainder progressively introduced through to 2016.
It said the fuel-efficiency of the A320s would be driven by an advanced IAE engine with improved fuel-burn - the A320 also boasts 171 seats, compared to 133 on the B737-300, which would allow Air NZ to both increase capacity in the domestic market and reduce carbon emissions.
The bigger aircraft would also allow the carrier it to overcome capacity constraints at some New Zealand airports, Air NZ said.
Airbus said the A320 had won the Air New Zealand contract after an intensive and robust evaluation, and the carrier would reap the benefits from a common brand of aircraft across its domestic and short-haul fleet.
The order continues a march by the European manufacturer that has seen it go from a handful of aircraft at Ansett at the beginning to decade, to winning significant orders at Qantas, Jetstar and Air New Zealand.
The latest jets, destined for Air NZ’s domestic routes, join 12 A320s already deployed on short-haul international routes. Air NZ also has purchase rights for another 11 planes, including the possibility of moving to the bigger A321.
The 14 aircraft list at more than $US1 billion ($1bn), but the airline said today it had bought them at a discount “that reflects the current market conditions”.
“This is a very good time to buy aircraft,” said Bruce Parton, Air NZ’s group general manager (short haul airline).
“The industry is at the bottom of a deep cycle, so demand for aircraft is limited, creating favourable conditions for buyers with strong balance sheets like Air New Zealand.”
The airline expects the first aircraft to arrive in January, 2011, with the remainder progressively introduced through to 2016.
It said the fuel-efficiency of the A320s would be driven by an advanced IAE engine with improved fuel-burn - the A320 also boasts 171 seats, compared to 133 on the B737-300, which would allow Air NZ to both increase capacity in the domestic market and reduce carbon emissions.
The bigger aircraft would also allow the carrier it to overcome capacity constraints at some New Zealand airports, Air NZ said.
Airbus said the A320 had won the Air New Zealand contract after an intensive and robust evaluation, and the carrier would reap the benefits from a common brand of aircraft across its domestic and short-haul fleet.