Aer Arann New 737??
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here comes the 737, we heard all kind of aircrafts F100, EMB 170, B757 and now the 73
Seriously i thought they were thinking of the A380 specially for the ORK DUB route so we could have the morning flight and the evening flight and that it.
Rumours are good it keeps us on the dream side
Seriously i thought they were thinking of the A380 specially for the ORK DUB route so we could have the morning flight and the evening flight and that it.
Rumours are good it keeps us on the dream side
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GECAS did look at them as customer for EMB170's but that is gone now. Would also be a great challenge to get just the one on an AOC and make money. Would be very popular in high density 76 version. Imagine that ORK-DUB - a real winner.
FR very bullish last week on advance bookings for flts ex SNN which mostly start in May. RE guys I have spoken to feel that the ridiculously low fares from SNN to LTN/LGW and NOC to LGW are a pain. But they say they have a cunning plan! Will be a bloodbath from May onwards but it will be super for the consumer. RE plan to make hay between now and May. The cunning plan from June onwards.
FR very bullish last week on advance bookings for flts ex SNN which mostly start in May. RE guys I have spoken to feel that the ridiculously low fares from SNN to LTN/LGW and NOC to LGW are a pain. But they say they have a cunning plan! Will be a bloodbath from May onwards but it will be super for the consumer. RE plan to make hay between now and May. The cunning plan from June onwards.
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Neidin
Since when did you begin the love affair with RE? You have constantly knocked them on this forum. It's a wonder you have any friends in RE. What about answering the question? Have RE been destroyed by Easy and Ryanair at WAT and GWY, did you look at the the CAA stats for January? Are you going to continue to make false claims? Or are you going to pull the thread again...oh you didn't start this one!
Since when did you begin the love affair with RE? You have constantly knocked them on this forum. It's a wonder you have any friends in RE. What about answering the question? Have RE been destroyed by Easy and Ryanair at WAT and GWY, did you look at the the CAA stats for January? Are you going to continue to make false claims? Or are you going to pull the thread again...oh you didn't start this one!
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Edge my dear. RE issues were always Summer '05 - read the posts. What have Jan CAA stats got to do with a summer bloodbath. Please read the posts - summer - as in May onwards when Ryanair and Easy have an 1400+ low cost seats per day over summer 2004 in the market from SNN and NOC to London. McKenna and POC at RE admit when yuo speak to them they are scared - guess you can't see that. They are normal rational people.
Simple maths - you fly ATR 72 with 68 seats - you lose just 6 passengers per flight - immediately your load is down at least 10% - and your yield is in the toilet. Simple maths. Read it slowly. Six people decide to take a EURO 1 fare from the 2000 daily available jet seats from SNN or NOC rather than pay EURO 100+ from GWY. Lose six people a flight and you lose 10% load. Simple.
Simple maths - you fly ATR 72 with 68 seats - you lose just 6 passengers per flight - immediately your load is down at least 10% - and your yield is in the toilet. Simple maths. Read it slowly. Six people decide to take a EURO 1 fare from the 2000 daily available jet seats from SNN or NOC rather than pay EURO 100+ from GWY. Lose six people a flight and you lose 10% load. Simple.
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But Neidin.....what happened to the last thread, you are starting this debate again, yet popular opinion was against yours. Where did the thread on easy at CRK go to? What happened to your comments on Cityjet and the man from Cork. The loco competition at CRK, SNN, NOC that you claimed would destroy RE at WAT and GWY began in earnest in January. You were challenged to compare Jan 04 figures against 03 for RE LTN services at WAT and GWY. Have you done that? Are you going to continue to rant opinion without facts? Come back to this forum with the facts. As to your opinion, if flights are regularly full, and are capacity constrained, if you lose 6 seats, there will be plenty more to fill them. Not everybody wants to fly loco. There are plenty of niche markets requiring direct access. You promote Dublin Airport and one airline yet have a go at all other Irish airports and RE. Just deal with the facts. On the subject of Dublin Airport, it has taken on a grotty appearance in the last number of months, is looking stale and tired and really needs more regular cleaning. Just because it is a loco mecca does not mean it should be unkempt! It's not from the lack of profit.
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There is now no chance of them losing the PSOs seeing as the requirements match 100% with what Arran would have liked, even down to combining Knock and Derry as one contract, making a NOC-based aircraft essential and giving the two fingers to Logan currently on the Derry route.
The winning Arran bids will be:
1 aircraft on NOC-DUB-Derry-DUB in the morning and DUB-Derry-DUB-NCO in the evening, free to do some Dublin routes during the day.
1 on Donegal-DUB-SGO-DUB in the morning, a lunchtime DUB-Donegal-DUB then tea-time DUB-SGO-DUB-Donegal
1 aircraft based in Galway doing a the current schedule (helped by having a second based aircarft for the UK routes doing extra Dublin flights)
1 aircraft spending the night in Kerry and doing four per day to Dublin and probably Dublin to the Isle of Man or suchlike to push up the utilisation.
Whatever about dropping some traffic on the UK, their core UK business will be ok but maybe a bit less profitable. The drafting of the PSO contracts as they have been is the biggest shot in the arm for Arran. If they don't win all these routes, they don't deserve to be in the business.
What happened to the Cityjet rumour on Dublin - Cork?
The winning Arran bids will be:
1 aircraft on NOC-DUB-Derry-DUB in the morning and DUB-Derry-DUB-NCO in the evening, free to do some Dublin routes during the day.
1 on Donegal-DUB-SGO-DUB in the morning, a lunchtime DUB-Donegal-DUB then tea-time DUB-SGO-DUB-Donegal
1 aircraft based in Galway doing a the current schedule (helped by having a second based aircarft for the UK routes doing extra Dublin flights)
1 aircraft spending the night in Kerry and doing four per day to Dublin and probably Dublin to the Isle of Man or suchlike to push up the utilisation.
Whatever about dropping some traffic on the UK, their core UK business will be ok but maybe a bit less profitable. The drafting of the PSO contracts as they have been is the biggest shot in the arm for Arran. If they don't win all these routes, they don't deserve to be in the business.
What happened to the Cityjet rumour on Dublin - Cork?
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Edge dearest. The Bloodbath is Summer. FR ops from SNN-LTN starts May '05 and Easy go dbl daily SNN and ORK. Just ask the RE boys yourself - they know it is a huge threat to load and yield. Pure simple common sense. Not rocket science. I have not pulled any threads. Also never mentioned Jan as any thing for RE to worry about. This will be death by a 1,000 EURO 1 fares which will see a withering effect which you will really only see at end of Oct 2005. Aviation is not a one hit wonder.
Looked at the CAA stats and NOC seems to be doing remarkably well. On Jan figures they carried 2828 pax although flts did not start to LGW until mid and late month. They must be thrilled - particularly as they did not give super deals to RE or Easy and collect EURO 10 direct off each passenger using NOC. They are laughing.
Dublin airport is a kip. Who could ever argue otherwise. The smell of pee off those toilets behing the self service Cafe only has to be smelt to be believed. Expect some formerly unknown forms of Aer Rianta fungus are growing out of all the brown paper bags hidden behind cisterns. The upscale of security today will halt lots of comfort spend for '05. May also cause some delays.
Looked at the CAA stats and NOC seems to be doing remarkably well. On Jan figures they carried 2828 pax although flts did not start to LGW until mid and late month. They must be thrilled - particularly as they did not give super deals to RE or Easy and collect EURO 10 direct off each passenger using NOC. They are laughing.
Dublin airport is a kip. Who could ever argue otherwise. The smell of pee off those toilets behing the self service Cafe only has to be smelt to be believed. Expect some formerly unknown forms of Aer Rianta fungus are growing out of all the brown paper bags hidden behind cisterns. The upscale of security today will halt lots of comfort spend for '05. May also cause some delays.
