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Anyone know the reason why BA has cancelled services and have now ended up sub-chartering Portuguese aircraft to operate on the LGW - TPA route ??
Is it down to the famous staff shortages ......?
Is it down to the famous staff shortages ......?
The cancellation of TPA services is due to cabin crew shortages however the Edelwiess A330 being used on NBO services is due to aircraft shortage. Looks like the 767 refits are taking longer than planned.........
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So where are the crew that normally fly the NBO ??? what I mean is that if BA are already operating one aircraft down due to its being "Dusked", how come there are such staff shortages as to impact TPA flights. ....
Is it too difficult to manage to get sufficient staff to operate..? or Do Ba's CC operate more than one type..?
Is it too difficult to manage to get sufficient staff to operate..? or Do Ba's CC operate more than one type..?
Ah, Engineering Without Spares (EWS) strikes again!
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I was told today that the cancellation was down to the shortage of aircraft and not crew, don't know how true, it is, but came from a dispatcher! Nobody at Lgw is happy that the CS- reg B767 had to do one flight, let alone a couple of weeks worth.
For what BA's regular pax think of the situation see here :
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396335
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396335
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A little bird tells me that BA cabin crew have declined to renew their US Visas until there is movement on a couple of industrial issues. Hence the shortage of the darlings, and BA’s wet leasing/mass cancellations to cover.
They want to be paid for uniform appointments, and they want their own sickness policy separate from the rest of BA.
You couldn’t make it up
They want to be paid for uniform appointments, and they want their own sickness policy separate from the rest of BA.
You couldn’t make it up
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Yes - much better, at least in economy thanks to the extra couple of inches of legroom. Pretty grumpy FAs from what I recall, and no free booze, but you can stretch out, which is heaven if you've got long pins.
Cabin Crew shortages are down to many reasons including
industrial agreements going back to the dark ages. If one of their trips is disrupted for any reason then the precious darlings need at least a week off to recover ,in which case their next trip is
disrupted. Ans so it goes on..and on... How about dumping the old
baggage and start off with virgin cabin crew,one third the cost,
half the average age,twice the smiles and twice the service.
industrial agreements going back to the dark ages. If one of their trips is disrupted for any reason then the precious darlings need at least a week off to recover ,in which case their next trip is
disrupted. Ans so it goes on..and on... How about dumping the old
baggage and start off with virgin cabin crew,one third the cost,
half the average age,twice the smiles and twice the service.
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I belive that BA Cancelled about 10 services to or from the States last week. See the BA website latest operations section for the ones that were canncelled.
As far as I'm aware this was due to shortage of cabin crew with for example the outbound service operating as normal and then the aircraft flying back to LHR empty!!!
As well as the loss of the revenue service how much is it costing them to fly empty 747-400's and 777 across the Atlantic empty??
Surely not a good way to make money and please passengers.
I think BA might be in a bit of trouble if the US-UK skies are opened up more and you get the likes of Emirates and Singapore flying between London and the states, but thats another thread entirely!!!
As far as I'm aware this was due to shortage of cabin crew with for example the outbound service operating as normal and then the aircraft flying back to LHR empty!!!
As well as the loss of the revenue service how much is it costing them to fly empty 747-400's and 777 across the Atlantic empty??
Surely not a good way to make money and please passengers.
I think BA might be in a bit of trouble if the US-UK skies are opened up more and you get the likes of Emirates and Singapore flying between London and the states, but thats another thread entirely!!!
....with virgin cabin crew...
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Empty 744s going as far as NRT (and back). All down to a shortage of cabin crew.
Also, new DEPs failing to turn up for courses or resigning within the first few days/weeks.
Bye bye Mike Street.
Also, new DEPs failing to turn up for courses or resigning within the first few days/weeks.
Bye bye Mike Street.
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frangatang Cabin Crew shortages are down to many reasons including
industrial agreements going back to the dark ages. If one of their trips is disrupted for any reason then the precious darlings need at least a week off to recover ,in which case their next trip is
disrupted. Ans so it goes on..and on... How about dumping the old
baggage and start off with virgin cabin crew,one third the cost,
half the average age,twice the smiles and twice the service.
industrial agreements going back to the dark ages. If one of their trips is disrupted for any reason then the precious darlings need at least a week off to recover ,in which case their next trip is
disrupted. Ans so it goes on..and on... How about dumping the old
baggage and start off with virgin cabin crew,one third the cost,
half the average age,twice the smiles and twice the service.
BRUpax Bang on frangatang ! Time these grumpy old gifts to aviation were given the boot. Some hope though.
How dare frangatang or BRUpax on this forum openly insult BA Cabin Crew (or any staff member of any airline in this fashion???
I, for one, will not stick around and see my airborne colleagues insulted in this manner!
Where the FrechConnectionUK are the Moderators to see fair play???
As usual, a couple of idiots have put two and two together and fabricated anti-BA propaganda!
Crew Shortages are caused by:
1. Ill Treatment and Abuse of Crews by US Embassy staff when renewing visas have resulted in crews refusing to attend in their own time.[quote]
If similar situations had arisen elsewhere in Europe, by now every US registered aircraft in its territory would have been grounded until the US rescinded its stupid, bureacratic nonsense regarding the treatment of non-US passport holders!
Indeed, the idea of "blackballing" (refusing to handle) American Registered aircraft, until the US backs down over its stupid, bureacratic nonsense with non-US passport holders, has been kicked around by airport handling staff - so watch this space!
2. New staff recruited at the handsome salary of £6950 stay only for the duration of the training plus a couple of months. Once they see just how difficult the job is and the sort of difficult people with whom we have to deal (like the two pprune posters in question), they don't stick around!
Aircraft shortages:
Yes: A couple of LGW 777's are being refitted and our 767's are being dusked at Gatwick meaning we're short of aircraft.
Don't blame the staff or the union agreements - since 09/11 we have given everything away to keep our jobs and BA would not have survived without the full co-operation of the staff! If we need a clear-out, it's the management - we are extremely top heavy and carry a lot of dead wood!
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Two weeks ago, during an ice storm in ATL which was my connection from Savannah, Georgia, Delta rerouted me with much pleading via Comair to JFK and then AF009 to CDG and then to Prague and then onward to Riga, Latvia.
I have to say hats off to Air France where 300 some passengers were fed and coddled and upon landing at CDG I only had 45 minutes to switch from one terminal to another which included running outside, inside and inbetween.
I had given up on my luggage in Savannah with so many points of trasfer, but there it was in Riga. Can't really understand it, because running like crazy I barely made my AF to Prague which was standing about 3 miles off in a parking area. Yet, my luggage made it way before me.
To make a point about this thread, the AF was a 777, where even in economy class, a passenger did not have to worry about seat pitch, etc. It even had fold-down foot rests. A classic operation, much better than the Delta 767-300 goint over there to ATL.
I have to say hats off to Air France where 300 some passengers were fed and coddled and upon landing at CDG I only had 45 minutes to switch from one terminal to another which included running outside, inside and inbetween.
I had given up on my luggage in Savannah with so many points of trasfer, but there it was in Riga. Can't really understand it, because running like crazy I barely made my AF to Prague which was standing about 3 miles off in a parking area. Yet, my luggage made it way before me.
To make a point about this thread, the AF was a 777, where even in economy class, a passenger did not have to worry about seat pitch, etc. It even had fold-down foot rests. A classic operation, much better than the Delta 767-300 goint over there to ATL.
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Sorry Bealine but the way some of your colleges present themselves means your not going to get any sympathy here.
BASSA and CC89 shouldn't have anything to do with the running of the company. Between them and your management they make the whole company the laughing stock of the air.
CC can be fantastic , but also completely impractical
BASSA and CC89 shouldn't have anything to do with the running of the company. Between them and your management they make the whole company the laughing stock of the air.
CC can be fantastic , but also completely impractical