Proof that Ryanair lies about on time performance
More like 45min so no wonder they arrive on time or early !
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All airlines add in a wee bit extra timing to their scheduled times. It makes sence as there are always the inevitable delays, i.e. ATC slots, traffic sequencing etc.
Just have a look at any of their scheduled flight times. Try BA, BMI etc on the GLA or EDI to London and you will see what I mean. Baby for example schedule 1 hour for Edinburgh- East Midlands.
Am I also correct in stating that the punctuality figures are published by the CAA ?.
Just have a look at any of their scheduled flight times. Try BA, BMI etc on the GLA or EDI to London and you will see what I mean. Baby for example schedule 1 hour for Edinburgh- East Midlands.
Am I also correct in stating that the punctuality figures are published by the CAA ?.
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ryanair always announce they have landed 15 or whatever minutes ahead of schedule just as soon as the a/c lands
they manipulte the bock time as oppsed to the flight time
on a recent flight they announced we had "arrived" not landed, 15 minutes ahead of schedule then we spent 20 minutes taxi-ing and waiting for a gate
that accounts to being 5 minutes late, but not in ryanairs book
they are just very sligh like all their dealings
on ontime departure in offlox on time and arrive at the gatge ontime, not when the a/c actually takes off or lands
they manipulte the bock time as oppsed to the flight time
on a recent flight they announced we had "arrived" not landed, 15 minutes ahead of schedule then we spent 20 minutes taxi-ing and waiting for a gate
that accounts to being 5 minutes late, but not in ryanairs book
they are just very sligh like all their dealings
on ontime departure in offlox on time and arrive at the gatge ontime, not when the a/c actually takes off or lands
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Timetables
I did not say Ryanair is "cheating". What I did was explain 1 way they achive better on time performance.
I have background in maths and hate firms using stats without providing the details of what they are counting. Until jan 10th all there Altenburg - Nobitz are off and passangers sent to Erfurt Airport by coach. There are often diversions to other airports due to fog. How are all these counted it the stats.
When they say 99% of flights arrive with in 1 hour in a certin week what do they keep out of the 1%.
Ryanair gets knockers because of the brash claims it makes every week. There is a lot of truth behind the claims. They are the cheapest airline and probabaly have the best performance. They then add lots of spin. They compare prices overall but not on like for like routes. There 50% cheaper than easyjet is just plain wrong. There aveagre fare is about 33% less than easyjets. On an idetical route the prices are about the same.
When they do there how many people we fly graphs are they always miss out easyjet. They advertising standards uphold many complints against ryanair every year.
I have background in maths and hate firms using stats without providing the details of what they are counting. Until jan 10th all there Altenburg - Nobitz are off and passangers sent to Erfurt Airport by coach. There are often diversions to other airports due to fog. How are all these counted it the stats.
When they say 99% of flights arrive with in 1 hour in a certin week what do they keep out of the 1%.
Ryanair gets knockers because of the brash claims it makes every week. There is a lot of truth behind the claims. They are the cheapest airline and probabaly have the best performance. They then add lots of spin. They compare prices overall but not on like for like routes. There 50% cheaper than easyjet is just plain wrong. There aveagre fare is about 33% less than easyjets. On an idetical route the prices are about the same.
When they do there how many people we fly graphs are they always miss out easyjet. They advertising standards uphold many complints against ryanair every year.
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There aveagre fare is about 33% less than easyjets. On an idetical route the prices are about the same.
uphold many complints
)The term ABOUT isnt exactly statisticaly based is it? And many is that more than 1 or less than 50? Especialy since you
hate firms using stats without providing the details of what they are counting
Statistics can be made to show anything, you as a lucid inteligent individual have to realise this especialy being from a mathmatical background
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ASA on Ryanair
To compare prices look at legs like
From ASA web site 5 complaints have been upheld against ryanair in the last 12 months.
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudicati...ation_id=39073
Non-broadcast Adjudication
Ryanair Ltd
Ryanair Corporate Headquarters
Dublin Airport
Dublin
Ireland
Complaints upheld in last 12 months: 5
Date: 15th December 2004
Media: National press
Sector: Holidays and travel
Industry Complaints From: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Warwickshire
Complaint:
easyJet Airline Company Ltd and two members of the public objected to two national press advertisements for an airline.
a. One advertisement was headlined "NEW ROUTES AT LUTON" and included a table that showed destinations and prices. The destinations were "DINARD", "DUBLIN", "ESBJERG", "MILAN (Orio al Serio)", "BARCELONA (Girona)", "BARCELONA (Reus)", "NIMES", "ROME (Ciampino)", "STOCKHOLM (Vasteras)", "VENICE (Treviso)" and "MURCIA".
b. A second advertisement was headlined "WHY PAY MORE ... TO ARRIVE LATER?" Text stated "Ryanair beats easyJet every week for on-time flights". A table contained punctuality statistics for the two airlines; it claimed that during the weeks ending 13 June, 20 June and 27 June 2004 Ryanair had been more punctual than easyJet. Text under the table stated "RYANAIR BEATS EASYJET EVERY WEEK FOR: MORE PASSENGERS, CHEAPER PRICES & BETTER PUNCTUALITY". A footnote at the base of the advertisement stated "Source: AEA Punctuality Statistics June 2004".
1. Two members of the public objected that advertisement (a) was misleading, because they believed that Orio al Serio, Girona, Reus, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso airports were considerable distances from the cities Ryanair claimed they served.
easyJet challenged:
2. whether the claim "BARCELONA (Girona)" in advertisement (a) was misleading, because they believed Girona was not classified as an airport that served Barcelona by the International Air Transport Association (IATA) ;
3. the performance claims in advertisement (b), because they believed the Association of European Airlines (AEA) did not publish on-time performance statistics for easyJet.
Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 18.1, 18.3 (Ed 11)
Adjudication:
1. & 2. Complaints upheld
The advertisers said the claims "BARCELONA (Reus)" and "BARCELONA (Girona)" had been published in error and apologised for their mistake. The advertisers pointed out that Orio al Serio, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso were listed by the International Air Travel Association (IATA) as airports that served Milan, Rome, Stockholm and Venice respectively. They argued that Orio al Serio was equidistant from Milan compared with Malpensa and that Ciampino was half the distance from Rome compared with Fiumicino.
The Authority considered that airports should not be advertised as serving specified cities unless the International Air Transport Association (IATA) listed them as serving those cities; it considered the distance from the airport to the city in question to be of secondary importance. It concluded that, because Orio al Serio, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso were all listed by IATA as airports that served the cities the advertisers had claimed, those claims were acceptable. The Authority noted, however, the advertisers had claimed in error that Reus and Girona airports served Barcelona. Because those airports were not listed by IATA as serving Barcelona, it concluded that those claims were misleading. It told the advertisers not to claim airports served specified cities unless those airports were listed by IATA as doing so.
3. Complaint upheld
The advertisers said it seemed that easyJet were questioning whether statistics compiled by airlines themselves could be accurate at all; they pointed out that both Ryanair and easyJet published such statistics on their own websites and argued that easyJet might be accused of having misled consumers as well. The advertisers said they were happy for the Authority or any other organisation to scrutinise their punctuality figures and the methods used to compile them.
The Association of European Airlines (AEA) said they had published a monthly Consumer Report since January 2003 and sent a copy of the most recent one, for July 2004. The AEA said the statistics quoted in advertisement (b) were misattributed and could not possibly have been compiled by the AEA; neither Ryanair nor easyJet were members of the AEA, which meant the AEA did not compile statistics on either airline''s performance.
The Authority considered that comparisons between two sets of punctuality statistics were misleading unless it could be shown that both sets of data were compiled with identical methodologies. The Authority considered that advertisement (b) misleadingly implied the quoted statistics were from an independent source. It told the advertisers not to misattribute statistics in future advertisements and to ensure that future advertisements featuring punctuality comparisons made those comparisons using statistics that were compiled using the same methodologies. Because it considered the punctuality comparison in advertisement (b) to be misleading, the Authority told the advertisers to consult the CAP Copy Advice team before making such comparisons in future.
From ASA web site 5 complaints have been upheld against ryanair in the last 12 months.
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudicati...ation_id=39073
Non-broadcast Adjudication
Ryanair Ltd
Ryanair Corporate Headquarters
Dublin Airport
Dublin
Ireland
Complaints upheld in last 12 months: 5
Date: 15th December 2004
Media: National press
Sector: Holidays and travel
Industry Complaints From: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Warwickshire
Complaint:
easyJet Airline Company Ltd and two members of the public objected to two national press advertisements for an airline.
a. One advertisement was headlined "NEW ROUTES AT LUTON" and included a table that showed destinations and prices. The destinations were "DINARD", "DUBLIN", "ESBJERG", "MILAN (Orio al Serio)", "BARCELONA (Girona)", "BARCELONA (Reus)", "NIMES", "ROME (Ciampino)", "STOCKHOLM (Vasteras)", "VENICE (Treviso)" and "MURCIA".
b. A second advertisement was headlined "WHY PAY MORE ... TO ARRIVE LATER?" Text stated "Ryanair beats easyJet every week for on-time flights". A table contained punctuality statistics for the two airlines; it claimed that during the weeks ending 13 June, 20 June and 27 June 2004 Ryanair had been more punctual than easyJet. Text under the table stated "RYANAIR BEATS EASYJET EVERY WEEK FOR: MORE PASSENGERS, CHEAPER PRICES & BETTER PUNCTUALITY". A footnote at the base of the advertisement stated "Source: AEA Punctuality Statistics June 2004".
1. Two members of the public objected that advertisement (a) was misleading, because they believed that Orio al Serio, Girona, Reus, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso airports were considerable distances from the cities Ryanair claimed they served.
easyJet challenged:
2. whether the claim "BARCELONA (Girona)" in advertisement (a) was misleading, because they believed Girona was not classified as an airport that served Barcelona by the International Air Transport Association (IATA) ;
3. the performance claims in advertisement (b), because they believed the Association of European Airlines (AEA) did not publish on-time performance statistics for easyJet.
Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 18.1, 18.3 (Ed 11)
Adjudication:
1. & 2. Complaints upheld
The advertisers said the claims "BARCELONA (Reus)" and "BARCELONA (Girona)" had been published in error and apologised for their mistake. The advertisers pointed out that Orio al Serio, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso were listed by the International Air Travel Association (IATA) as airports that served Milan, Rome, Stockholm and Venice respectively. They argued that Orio al Serio was equidistant from Milan compared with Malpensa and that Ciampino was half the distance from Rome compared with Fiumicino.
The Authority considered that airports should not be advertised as serving specified cities unless the International Air Transport Association (IATA) listed them as serving those cities; it considered the distance from the airport to the city in question to be of secondary importance. It concluded that, because Orio al Serio, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso were all listed by IATA as airports that served the cities the advertisers had claimed, those claims were acceptable. The Authority noted, however, the advertisers had claimed in error that Reus and Girona airports served Barcelona. Because those airports were not listed by IATA as serving Barcelona, it concluded that those claims were misleading. It told the advertisers not to claim airports served specified cities unless those airports were listed by IATA as doing so.
3. Complaint upheld
The advertisers said it seemed that easyJet were questioning whether statistics compiled by airlines themselves could be accurate at all; they pointed out that both Ryanair and easyJet published such statistics on their own websites and argued that easyJet might be accused of having misled consumers as well. The advertisers said they were happy for the Authority or any other organisation to scrutinise their punctuality figures and the methods used to compile them.
The Association of European Airlines (AEA) said they had published a monthly Consumer Report since January 2003 and sent a copy of the most recent one, for July 2004. The AEA said the statistics quoted in advertisement (b) were misattributed and could not possibly have been compiled by the AEA; neither Ryanair nor easyJet were members of the AEA, which meant the AEA did not compile statistics on either airline''s performance.
The Authority considered that comparisons between two sets of punctuality statistics were misleading unless it could be shown that both sets of data were compiled with identical methodologies. The Authority considered that advertisement (b) misleadingly implied the quoted statistics were from an independent source. It told the advertisers not to misattribute statistics in future advertisements and to ensure that future advertisements featuring punctuality comparisons made those comparisons using statistics that were compiled using the same methodologies. Because it considered the punctuality comparison in advertisement (b) to be misleading, the Authority told the advertisers to consult the CAP Copy Advice team before making such comparisons in future.
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Ahhh some more statistics
Number of passengers travelling on Ryanair rolling 12 months to Nov 2004 - 26,392,361
Number of complaints about the destinations distances from the declared city - 5
or 0.0000189% or 1.89 x10-5
or 1 : 5,278,472
Odds of matching 5 of 6 numbers plus the bonus number in the National Lottery- 1 : 2,330,636
So more than twice the chance of winning the National Lottery with 6 numbers than you have of complaining about Ryanairs route.
Sounds like a great advert to me !
Number of passengers travelling on Ryanair rolling 12 months to Nov 2004 - 26,392,361
Number of complaints about the destinations distances from the declared city - 5
or 0.0000189% or 1.89 x10-5
or 1 : 5,278,472
Odds of matching 5 of 6 numbers plus the bonus number in the National Lottery- 1 : 2,330,636
So more than twice the chance of winning the National Lottery with 6 numbers than you have of complaining about Ryanairs route.
Sounds like a great advert to me !
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statistics
Your statistics are as wrong as ryanairs.
The chance of 5+bonus is 1 in 13,983,816
its 49*48*47*46*45*44/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
The 5 adverts not just 5 people.
I assume ryanairs 26,392,361 is for one way so most passangers make 2.
they also count people who do not fly, on many of the cheap crack of dawn flights they must get a lot of no shows.
The ASA is just one place ryanair passagers will make a complaint.
There own stats show 0.44 per 1000 passagers so that 11612 a year.
That is still very low.
But you are 6152 times more likely to send a complaint to ryanair than get the 6 balls. And only 1 in X will or can write.
Ryanair do a good job at moving vast numbers of people at low cost. The point is that they are cunning with the use of statistics.
The chance of 5+bonus is 1 in 13,983,816
its 49*48*47*46*45*44/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
The 5 adverts not just 5 people.
I assume ryanairs 26,392,361 is for one way so most passangers make 2.
they also count people who do not fly, on many of the cheap crack of dawn flights they must get a lot of no shows.
The ASA is just one place ryanair passagers will make a complaint.
There own stats show 0.44 per 1000 passagers so that 11612 a year.
That is still very low.
But you are 6152 times more likely to send a complaint to ryanair than get the 6 balls. And only 1 in X will or can write.
Ryanair do a good job at moving vast numbers of people at low cost. The point is that they are cunning with the use of statistics.
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Quote 1. Two members of the public objected that advertisement (a) was misleading, because they believed that Orio al Serio, Girona, Reus, Ciampino, Vasteras and Treviso airports were considerable distances from the cities Ryanair claimed they served.
Two members of the public complained about services to 6 airports. What are the chances that they would be employees of competing airlines.
From what I read on the forum, it seems to me that whether you like Ryanair or not depends on whether you work for a competitor.
Two members of the public complained about services to 6 airports. What are the chances that they would be employees of competing airlines.
From what I read on the forum, it seems to me that whether you like Ryanair or not depends on whether you work for a competitor.
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Check your odds, these are produced by the National Lottery themselves, remember its not the jackpot as you quote for ...it is 5 and the bonus.....
As for the five complaints , I was using your statistics and just the selective complaints directed towards the route structure...
See how stats can prove anything...
You proved my point yourself...statistics can be used to prove anything, even if used with a little misdirection. It doesnt make them incorrect, just selective.
Oh and copied direct from Nat Lottery Site for those interested
Match 6 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 13,983,816
Match 5 of 6 numbers plus the bonus number - 1 : 2,330,636
Match 5 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 55,492
Match 4 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 1,033
Match 3 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 57
Any prize - 1 : 54
As for the five complaints , I was using your statistics and just the selective complaints directed towards the route structure...
See how stats can prove anything...
You proved my point yourself...statistics can be used to prove anything, even if used with a little misdirection. It doesnt make them incorrect, just selective.
Oh and copied direct from Nat Lottery Site for those interested
Match 6 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 13,983,816
Match 5 of 6 numbers plus the bonus number - 1 : 2,330,636
Match 5 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 55,492
Match 4 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 1,033
Match 3 of 6 main numbers - 1 : 57
Any prize - 1 : 54
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antonovman,
With regards to the '15 minutes early' (or whatever) style of PA when the wheels hit the runway; as an FR CSS who makes these anouncements, I always state we have landed x minutes early (which in my book is true!
!) Whether it takes another 30 minutes to taxi to the gate is totaly out of FR's control... it's not our fault other a/c get in the way!
On that note... a recent flight from LHR - GLA took me 1 hour... almost as much time as it took to to taxi from the gate to the runway in LHR! Oh... that was after I sat from 2pm till 10pm waiting for my delayed flight (take of 11pm), because this airline has a policy of overbooking every flight and of not really helping pax who travel on so called 'e-tickets' (hey, I work for FR... if you beleive what you read it's a miracle I could afford to fly B... oops... almost let it slip out!). Sorry, I'm ranting! The point; My lasting memory of that flight will be the delay! However, the approving nods and glances at watches I see from many passengers when I say 'x minutes early', if that stays their lasting memory, then I'm sure that (as a good thing) would be a memory any airline would like its customers to have as they get off... even if unaware we should have been at the gate 10 minutes ago! Like all things FR; it works! And it's our way of working!
So look guys, will you all please grow up and stop moaning about FR! I (and I'm sure sooooo many others!) get sick to the back teeth of listening to non FR people bitching and moaning about the airline which if they choose can play absolutely NO part in their lives!
This is my first visit to this website and so far all I have seen is FR bashing from people who don't even work for FR! To them I say: Get a life! There are more important things to deal with! Or come work for O'leary!? THEN you will have something to moan about!
Anyway, a blasting rant for a first time post!
Happy flying (to those of us with a wing or two!)
S.
With regards to the '15 minutes early' (or whatever) style of PA when the wheels hit the runway; as an FR CSS who makes these anouncements, I always state we have landed x minutes early (which in my book is true!
!) Whether it takes another 30 minutes to taxi to the gate is totaly out of FR's control... it's not our fault other a/c get in the way! On that note... a recent flight from LHR - GLA took me 1 hour... almost as much time as it took to to taxi from the gate to the runway in LHR! Oh... that was after I sat from 2pm till 10pm waiting for my delayed flight (take of 11pm), because this airline has a policy of overbooking every flight and of not really helping pax who travel on so called 'e-tickets' (hey, I work for FR... if you beleive what you read it's a miracle I could afford to fly B... oops... almost let it slip out!). Sorry, I'm ranting! The point; My lasting memory of that flight will be the delay! However, the approving nods and glances at watches I see from many passengers when I say 'x minutes early', if that stays their lasting memory, then I'm sure that (as a good thing) would be a memory any airline would like its customers to have as they get off... even if unaware we should have been at the gate 10 minutes ago! Like all things FR; it works! And it's our way of working!
So look guys, will you all please grow up and stop moaning about FR! I (and I'm sure sooooo many others!) get sick to the back teeth of listening to non FR people bitching and moaning about the airline which if they choose can play absolutely NO part in their lives!
This is my first visit to this website and so far all I have seen is FR bashing from people who don't even work for FR! To them I say: Get a life! There are more important things to deal with! Or come work for O'leary!? THEN you will have something to moan about!
Anyway, a blasting rant for a first time post!
Happy flying (to those of us with a wing or two!)
S.
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All I know is that over a couple of dozen flights with RYR I have never arrived later than the scheduled time.
On my last journey with them 4/12 to Hahn we arrived 20 minutes early. Coming back 7/12 we again arrived 20 minutes before schedule at Pik. I got our bags from the belt and was on the way out of the terminal by our scheduled arrival time. Thats good enough for me.
On my last journey with them 4/12 to Hahn we arrived 20 minutes early. Coming back 7/12 we again arrived 20 minutes before schedule at Pik. I got our bags from the belt and was on the way out of the terminal by our scheduled arrival time. Thats good enough for me.
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I like the Lottery comparisons, but maybe if I won £1m for complaining about Ryanair, I'd try and do it a little bit more often! Still though, have never flown a sector with them where I'd have reason to complain, whereas I have had several late Easyjet flights.
Companies across the transport industry play timetable fudging, but there is a very important reason why I'm a lot more tolerant of Ryanair doing it than, say, Virgin Trains. If Ryanair add 30 minutes block time, encounter a 15 minute delay, and arrive 15 minutes "early", I am still out of the airport 15 minutes earlier than I expected. However, when Virgin Trains add 15 minutes to get from London to Milton Keynes, that then means a 15 minute wait at Milton Keynes before I can proceed to where I want to go, and quite often another delay further up the line - I remember being held 4 or 5 times once going up to Scotland, and then having some sheep on the line above Carlisle, so we STILL arrived late! Now if Ryanair offered Southwest style "bus" flights, it might be a different ball game...
Scobie, I am still curious as to why Ryanair DON'T overbook, especially when with so many flights being "given" away for £1, they must have a higher portion of no-shows than anyone else?
Companies across the transport industry play timetable fudging, but there is a very important reason why I'm a lot more tolerant of Ryanair doing it than, say, Virgin Trains. If Ryanair add 30 minutes block time, encounter a 15 minute delay, and arrive 15 minutes "early", I am still out of the airport 15 minutes earlier than I expected. However, when Virgin Trains add 15 minutes to get from London to Milton Keynes, that then means a 15 minute wait at Milton Keynes before I can proceed to where I want to go, and quite often another delay further up the line - I remember being held 4 or 5 times once going up to Scotland, and then having some sheep on the line above Carlisle, so we STILL arrived late! Now if Ryanair offered Southwest style "bus" flights, it might be a different ball game...
Scobie, I am still curious as to why Ryanair DON'T overbook, especially when with so many flights being "given" away for £1, they must have a higher portion of no-shows than anyone else?
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I have to think back to when I was in DUB many moons ago and each day we would get the pax loads and it was (if the flights were full); 135, 135, 135... and so on for 6 sectors! (Reminisce; ...the good old days on the 737-200 "Rocketship"... oh, point: it only has 130 seats!) Then, for some reason... probrably a marketing thing, it all stoped!
I now fly on the 800 and with the odd exception, have never in two years seen flights over booked! (And this is a promiss... we get the EXACT pax loads from operations each day... the same as the flight deck (weights and balance... must be true!)) Most days we are 189, however many people don't turn up for one reason... the £1.50 / €2.00 ticket was booked on a whim! If you can go for your weekend break... excellent and if not, what's a couple of quid?
Now... here is the moneymaker: Unlike another low cost carrier who do not operate this sytem, FR allow standby pax! I recently forgot to sort out my staff travel and had to shell out €200 for a flight to STN at 5.30am when the check in closed!
So, all the £1.50 / €2.00 pax who don't show, forfeit their seats when check in closes... along come a few mugs like me who 'have to get to xyz now!!!' and pay a hell of a price for it! MOL is laughing all the way to the bank because he has managed to sell maybe 200 tickets for a 189 seat a/c without over booking!
Might not sound like a big money maker... but you only have to see the reactions from some pax in STN who 'missed the train' or got 'stuck in traffic'! Just bing out the Visa/Mastercard and FR will give you a synpathetic replacement ticket... if your credit card can handle that amount!
Hope that helps (all be it a loooong winded answer! Sorry! )
S.
I have to think back to when I was in DUB many moons ago and each day we would get the pax loads and it was (if the flights were full); 135, 135, 135... and so on for 6 sectors! (Reminisce; ...the good old days on the 737-200 "Rocketship"... oh, point: it only has 130 seats!) Then, for some reason... probrably a marketing thing, it all stoped!
I now fly on the 800 and with the odd exception, have never in two years seen flights over booked! (And this is a promiss... we get the EXACT pax loads from operations each day... the same as the flight deck (weights and balance... must be true!)) Most days we are 189, however many people don't turn up for one reason... the £1.50 / €2.00 ticket was booked on a whim! If you can go for your weekend break... excellent and if not, what's a couple of quid?
Now... here is the moneymaker: Unlike another low cost carrier who do not operate this sytem, FR allow standby pax! I recently forgot to sort out my staff travel and had to shell out €200 for a flight to STN at 5.30am when the check in closed!
So, all the £1.50 / €2.00 pax who don't show, forfeit their seats when check in closes... along come a few mugs like me who 'have to get to xyz now!!!' and pay a hell of a price for it! MOL is laughing all the way to the bank because he has managed to sell maybe 200 tickets for a 189 seat a/c without over booking! Might not sound like a big money maker... but you only have to see the reactions from some pax in STN who 'missed the train' or got 'stuck in traffic'! Just bing out the Visa/Mastercard and FR will give you a synpathetic replacement ticket... if your credit card can handle that amount!
Hope that helps (all be it a loooong winded answer! Sorry!
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Noticed something tonight.... the following flights into dub... FR119,FR293,FR509,FR297 were diverted to shannon and the 777 was sent to belfast because of bad weather. Just being curious to know if they were going to be coming back to dub later i checked the ryanair website and all said flights and their outbounds (298,288,778) were all on time!!!!!!!!!!!
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Scobie,
Thanks for that - explains why they don't overbook.
Are you saying that if, for arguments sake, you turn up for a flight due out at 12:00, for which the STN check in closes at 11:10, at 11:11, then they say "sorry, we can't let you on with your original booking, but we will re-sell you the same ticket for the same seat you would have occupied for €200? If so, how long is the standby option open until before it closes? Or, is the standby for the next flight?
What if you are in the queue, and flight closing time approaches - do they call people forward? I've had close shaves with check in for other airlines, but have never cut it fine with Ryanair.
On that note, there seems to be quite a lot of conflicting advice about latest check in times. I always thought EZ's was 40 minutes (got to EDI earlier this year 41 minutes before the flight, and the screen said the desk was closed, but they were calling people forward when I reached it). There is a big sign behind their EDI customer services desk saying "check in closes 30 minutes before the flight". Thought FR was 45 mins at GRZ, but sign on check in also said it was 30.
AFAIK, none of the no-frills airlines distinguish between hand baggage only or luggage checked pax when it comes to their minimum check in times - or have I missed anything?
Thanks for that - explains why they don't overbook.
Are you saying that if, for arguments sake, you turn up for a flight due out at 12:00, for which the STN check in closes at 11:10, at 11:11, then they say "sorry, we can't let you on with your original booking, but we will re-sell you the same ticket for the same seat you would have occupied for €200? If so, how long is the standby option open until before it closes? Or, is the standby for the next flight?
What if you are in the queue, and flight closing time approaches - do they call people forward? I've had close shaves with check in for other airlines, but have never cut it fine with Ryanair.
On that note, there seems to be quite a lot of conflicting advice about latest check in times. I always thought EZ's was 40 minutes (got to EDI earlier this year 41 minutes before the flight, and the screen said the desk was closed, but they were calling people forward when I reached it). There is a big sign behind their EDI customer services desk saying "check in closes 30 minutes before the flight". Thought FR was 45 mins at GRZ, but sign on check in also said it was 30.
AFAIK, none of the no-frills airlines distinguish between hand baggage only or luggage checked pax when it comes to their minimum check in times - or have I missed anything?
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Befree
From your second post:
I did not say Ryanair is "CHEATING"
From your first post:
If you look at the average delay and the flying times you see how ryanair CHEAT.
Sconie
In three years I have never actually seen overbooked flights, then again, if the problem arises, I will probably not have known about it anyway because it's solved well before I even get on stand from the previous flight.
I do, on a regular basis, see booked pax figures up to 196 (on an 189 seat plane) so that looks like a bit of overbooking to me.
Jabird
Check www.ryanair.com in the Travel Questions section for check in times. Check-in closes at STD-40 at every Ryanair airport.
Another moneymaker, if I'm not mistaken:
Every passenger pays the fare price and the airport taxes to Ryanair. Ryanair then pays the airport taxes to the airport based on ACTUAL pax figures. For every no show Ryanair puts the taxes into its own pocket.
Z.
From your second post:
I did not say Ryanair is "CHEATING"
From your first post:
If you look at the average delay and the flying times you see how ryanair CHEAT.
Sconie
In three years I have never actually seen overbooked flights, then again, if the problem arises, I will probably not have known about it anyway because it's solved well before I even get on stand from the previous flight.
I do, on a regular basis, see booked pax figures up to 196 (on an 189 seat plane) so that looks like a bit of overbooking to me.
Jabird
Check www.ryanair.com in the Travel Questions section for check in times. Check-in closes at STD-40 at every Ryanair airport.
Another moneymaker, if I'm not mistaken:
Every passenger pays the fare price and the airport taxes to Ryanair. Ryanair then pays the airport taxes to the airport based on ACTUAL pax figures. For every no show Ryanair puts the taxes into its own pocket.
Z.
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Ziggy,
Looks like EZ have reduced check in to 30 mins, but not sure when? They didn't seem to make a big deal of this:
http://www.easyjet.com/EN/Flying/index.html
"Our check-in desks close exactly 30 minutes before the scheduled departure of the flight. "
Can't find any reference to FR 50 mins at STN on site - could any FR / STN employees confirm or deny this?
AFAIK, the no show but we keep the tax & airport charges "scam" applies to all no frills airlines, and is part of the reason why they can offer such low fares.
Looks like EZ have reduced check in to 30 mins, but not sure when? They didn't seem to make a big deal of this:
http://www.easyjet.com/EN/Flying/index.html
"Our check-in desks close exactly 30 minutes before the scheduled departure of the flight. "
Can't find any reference to FR 50 mins at STN on site - could any FR / STN employees confirm or deny this?
AFAIK, the no show but we keep the tax & airport charges "scam" applies to all no frills airlines, and is part of the reason why they can offer such low fares.