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In case anyone is interested GrandaExel serve Rome and Strasbourg, AlpiEagles plan to do a 3xweekly Paris CDG-Cuneo-Naples route and I think there are summer charters to Olbia and Elba but I'm not sure
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Granda Exel has ceased all flight operations on December, 17. It had operated scheduled flights from Cuneo to Rome Fiumicino (thrice daily) and Strasbourg (once daily) as well as summer charter flights to Malaga, Palma de Mallorca, Ibiza and Split. It provided also connections to Amsterdam via SXB. It had also planned to serve Bulgaria from Cuneo.
Alpi Eagles is now the only airline operating scheduled services to Naples (3 times weekly) and Paris/CDG (3 times weekly) with a Fokker - 100.
Alpi Eagles is expected to resume flights to Rome on a daily basis.
Air One is also supposed to reintroduce the discontinued services to Rome if Alpi Eagles will not do it.
Air Vallée operates flights to Olbia twice a week every year during the summer season.
Granda Exel has ceased all flight operations on December, 17. It had operated scheduled flights from Cuneo to Rome Fiumicino (thrice daily) and Strasbourg (once daily) as well as summer charter flights to Malaga, Palma de Mallorca, Ibiza and Split. It provided also connections to Amsterdam via SXB. It had also planned to serve Bulgaria from Cuneo.
Alpi Eagles is now the only airline operating scheduled services to Naples (3 times weekly) and Paris/CDG (3 times weekly) with a Fokker - 100.
Alpi Eagles is expected to resume flights to Rome on a daily basis.
Air One is also supposed to reintroduce the discontinued services to Rome if Alpi Eagles will not do it.
Air Vallée operates flights to Olbia twice a week every year during the summer season.
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Help me to understand this please!
I never thought of myself as a genius, but never thought I was stupid either.
So why cant I understand this EuJet thing? This project has absolutely no chance of working what so ever and never did.
So what in hells name are people doing giving them £30m quid when the obviously more viable flywho are struggling (we suspect) to get their act together. Why are investors such morons? Dont believe me - just think channel tunnel! HOW MUCH MONEY????
Why do people throw money at doomed ventures and fight shy of good ones. There was never a hope in hell of unreliable F100's from nowhere international turning a profit but this doesn't seem to have struck the men with money.
FlyWho (much maligned but a bloody clever plan when measured against this idiotjet venture) have a huge market, a great product and a good chance of profit so where are planestation with their millions on that one?
Maybe someone might just find a brain and invest in flywho and get them to fly to Melbourne Fl. instead of sanford. No... too obvious for investors. They only do stupid things. Goodbye EUJet.
So why cant I understand this EuJet thing? This project has absolutely no chance of working what so ever and never did.
So what in hells name are people doing giving them £30m quid when the obviously more viable flywho are struggling (we suspect) to get their act together. Why are investors such morons? Dont believe me - just think channel tunnel! HOW MUCH MONEY????
Why do people throw money at doomed ventures and fight shy of good ones. There was never a hope in hell of unreliable F100's from nowhere international turning a profit but this doesn't seem to have struck the men with money.
FlyWho (much maligned but a bloody clever plan when measured against this idiotjet venture) have a huge market, a great product and a good chance of profit so where are planestation with their millions on that one?
Maybe someone might just find a brain and invest in flywho and get them to fly to Melbourne Fl. instead of sanford. No... too obvious for investors. They only do stupid things. Goodbye EUJet.
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And where is Mc (no names) now, probably laughing all the way to the bank?
I do hope for all concerned EUjet can make a go of things and I realise thay have to announce share holder information on the stock exchange but im with Buster.....the general public read something like that and EUjet is no more.
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I do hope for all concerned EUjet can make a go of things and I realise thay have to announce share holder information on the stock exchange but im with Buster.....the general public read something like that and EUjet is no more.
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PS: happy xmas PPRuNers, even ALLMCC!!!
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From radio kents website:-
Night flights 'opposed by most'
The council says 'loud, noisy planes' are not on the agenda
Campaigners claim 80% of people living near Kent International Airport are opposed to plans for night flights.
Pete Binding, from the Manston Airport Group, said residents wanted jobs created at the airport but wanted flights to be kept to the daytime.
Thanet council is expected to discuss night flight proposals on 13 January.
On Wednesday, council leader, Cllr Sandy Ezekiel, said the authority supported the airport, but that "loud, noisy planes" were not on the agenda.
People want the jobs, but you shouldn't be allowed to create jobs at the expense of other people
Pete Binding
But Mr Binding said: "It most certainly is on the agenda."
He claimed a recent survey had found that 80% of people opposed night flights and were concerned about noise.
"People want the jobs," he said.
"But you shouldn't be allowed to create jobs at the expense of other people."
Rescue package
PlaneStation, owner of the airport and budget airline EUJet, announced plans for night-time flights last week along with a £30m rescue package for its business.
The company has lost more than £6m during its first year.
PlaneStation has said the investment will safeguard the airport and airline for two years.
In its first year of operation, EUJet hoped for half a million passengers but attracted 71,000 in the three months after leisure flights began in September.
Cargo business also fell by 33% after a major freight operator pulled out in August citing increasing costs.
PJ McGoldrick, managing director of the airline, said the company expected to see 800,000 passengers flying out of the airport next year.
Also noted from the Sunday telegraph pages, (5th Dec) that Martin May was quized at the recent planestation AGM by the telegraphs Edmond Jackson, It transpires that May has taken the shareholders down the path of re-financing without investing a cent of his own money!!!!!!!!!!!
Night flights 'opposed by most'
The council says 'loud, noisy planes' are not on the agenda
Campaigners claim 80% of people living near Kent International Airport are opposed to plans for night flights.
Pete Binding, from the Manston Airport Group, said residents wanted jobs created at the airport but wanted flights to be kept to the daytime.
Thanet council is expected to discuss night flight proposals on 13 January.
On Wednesday, council leader, Cllr Sandy Ezekiel, said the authority supported the airport, but that "loud, noisy planes" were not on the agenda.
People want the jobs, but you shouldn't be allowed to create jobs at the expense of other people
Pete Binding
But Mr Binding said: "It most certainly is on the agenda."
He claimed a recent survey had found that 80% of people opposed night flights and were concerned about noise.
"People want the jobs," he said.
"But you shouldn't be allowed to create jobs at the expense of other people."
Rescue package
PlaneStation, owner of the airport and budget airline EUJet, announced plans for night-time flights last week along with a £30m rescue package for its business.
The company has lost more than £6m during its first year.
PlaneStation has said the investment will safeguard the airport and airline for two years.
In its first year of operation, EUJet hoped for half a million passengers but attracted 71,000 in the three months after leisure flights began in September.
Cargo business also fell by 33% after a major freight operator pulled out in August citing increasing costs.
PJ McGoldrick, managing director of the airline, said the company expected to see 800,000 passengers flying out of the airport next year.
Also noted from the Sunday telegraph pages, (5th Dec) that Martin May was quized at the recent planestation AGM by the telegraphs Edmond Jackson, It transpires that May has taken the shareholders down the path of re-financing without investing a cent of his own money!!!!!!!!!!!
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NICE GUY
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
I sometimes find it incredibly frustrating in this industry. It seems to me that these people seeting up airlines/investing in doomed ones are just 'boys with toys'. They have no foresight whatsoever. Only bouyed by their boyish desperation to see it work.
I really hope flywho will succeed - they have a great marketable idea and a smart outlook...anyone now what the bookings are looking like?
Planestation investing in flywho and operating some flights from Manston would've been far more lucrative.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
I sometimes find it incredibly frustrating in this industry. It seems to me that these people seeting up airlines/investing in doomed ones are just 'boys with toys'. They have no foresight whatsoever. Only bouyed by their boyish desperation to see it work.
I really hope flywho will succeed - they have a great marketable idea and a smart outlook...anyone now what the bookings are looking like?
Planestation investing in flywho and operating some flights from Manston would've been far more lucrative.
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How come you geniuses aren't all running airlines?
Ever since EUjet announced it was starting scheduled services this forum has been full of "it won't happen" " it won't last" "it can't this" "it can't that".
It has and it is. Why don't you just hush your mouths and give it a chance?
And get back to running your own companies.
By the way, the Peter Binding mentioned earlier in the thread would get on well with you. 80%? Four out of his five members, that means.
Ever since EUjet announced it was starting scheduled services this forum has been full of "it won't happen" " it won't last" "it can't this" "it can't that".
It has and it is. Why don't you just hush your mouths and give it a chance?
And get back to running your own companies.
By the way, the Peter Binding mentioned earlier in the thread would get on well with you. 80%? Four out of his five members, that means.
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I must assume from your comments that you think this venture is doing well by putting all this cash down the toilet!
this latest funding probably makes EUJ the best funded new airline ever to start within the country and it IS going to fail. What a mess!
Nakata77 and I both seem to agree that flywho, coaxed with some investment to serve Florida from Manston might have had a gravy train for Planestation but they got involved with this idiotjet venture and will lick their wounds for many years to come now, mark my words!
I must assume from your comments that you think this venture is doing well by putting all this cash down the toilet!
this latest funding probably makes EUJ the best funded new airline ever to start within the country and it IS going to fail. What a mess!
Nakata77 and I both seem to agree that flywho, coaxed with some investment to serve Florida from Manston might have had a gravy train for Planestation but they got involved with this idiotjet venture and will lick their wounds for many years to come now, mark my words!
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I happen to know that Flywho were offered option to fly to Melbourne FL but declined as they felt no demand for flights either from MSE or BHX. I guess they have a better deal on the table from SFB. I guess thinking outside the box is not always clear to the people at the top even in a start-up phase...
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Now then folks, it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
There are discussions underway which, whilst not altering the financial situation in the short term, would give investors, staff and customers the prospect of a viable future.
Whilst Ý am not at liberty to divulge exactly what the discussýons focus on, the opportunity to bolster the share price and give the market some confidence may be presented to Planestation and PJ in the not too distant future.
Things are at an early stage but never say never!!
There are discussions underway which, whilst not altering the financial situation in the short term, would give investors, staff and customers the prospect of a viable future.
Whilst Ý am not at liberty to divulge exactly what the discussýons focus on, the opportunity to bolster the share price and give the market some confidence may be presented to Planestation and PJ in the not too distant future.
Things are at an early stage but never say never!!
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EUjet Loads were very good today! 98 Pax out to GVA and just about all the other flights were around the 60-90 mark. The Pax numbers are on the way up all the time.... I hope things keep going this way, I enjoy flying for them and working with all the guys at Manston...
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flywho to florida
[I happen to know that Flywho were offered option to fly to Melbourne FL but declined as they felt no demand for flights either from MSE or BHX. I guess they have a better deal on the table from SFB. I guess thinking outside the box is not always clear to the people at the top even in a start-up phase...]
Interesting inside data you have there, but think about your arguement. Wasnt it Tony Ryan who admitted that it is tough to make money flying from nowhere to nowhere? It may not have been TR of course, but it's very clever anyway and certainly very true! Flywho would be mental to try selling flights to Melbourne when everyone knows its in Australia!
I would like to see Manston work, and I still think that with the right offers it can work but Manston - Melbourne Fl is a very tall order indeed!
Lets also look at the reasons why SFB would want flywho to go there. They have been assured a 'scheduled' service very soon indeed and who wouldnt want to market that??? The FIRST EVER transatlantic scheduled service between Europe and SFB.
See same deal on St Petes, and FLL have no current EU links either, so they all make a case that is better than Melbourne, but dont get distracted. EUJ cannot possibly work and flywho can work and Planestation have backed the wrong horse here!
Interesting inside data you have there, but think about your arguement. Wasnt it Tony Ryan who admitted that it is tough to make money flying from nowhere to nowhere? It may not have been TR of course, but it's very clever anyway and certainly very true! Flywho would be mental to try selling flights to Melbourne when everyone knows its in Australia!
I would like to see Manston work, and I still think that with the right offers it can work but Manston - Melbourne Fl is a very tall order indeed!
Lets also look at the reasons why SFB would want flywho to go there. They have been assured a 'scheduled' service very soon indeed and who wouldnt want to market that??? The FIRST EVER transatlantic scheduled service between Europe and SFB.
See same deal on St Petes, and FLL have no current EU links either, so they all make a case that is better than Melbourne, but dont get distracted. EUJ cannot possibly work and flywho can work and Planestation have backed the wrong horse here!
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From a report on one of the financial bulletin boards.....
Apparently the Planestation CEO addressed the troops today at Manston. He expects Lahr to get a passenger licence this month, and Lahr will become an EUjet hub. Shannon is doing well, and he's looking for growth there.
No extra planes!!
No money spent on anything that doesn't produce a return.
Manston is the main focus, as a passenger airport.
Melbourne will be left until Manston is working properly.
He says he needs 65% load factor @ 50 euros per flight to break even. He says they'll make money for only one month this year
Apparently the Planestation CEO addressed the troops today at Manston. He expects Lahr to get a passenger licence this month, and Lahr will become an EUjet hub. Shannon is doing well, and he's looking for growth there.
No extra planes!!
No money spent on anything that doesn't produce a return.
Manston is the main focus, as a passenger airport.
Melbourne will be left until Manston is working properly.
He says he needs 65% load factor @ 50 euros per flight to break even. He says they'll make money for only one month this year
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Glasgow and Madrid has been axed from the network with almost immediate effect, and Cologne has been put on hold probably because if poor forward bookings. Im surprised Glasgow just wasn't put down to one daily flight and into PIK instead of GLA.
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I too wish EU Jet would come to HUY but they will bemore bothered aboutbasing at planestation's own airports
Melbourne has got a new New York JFK route with Delta recently anyway
Melbourne has got a new New York JFK route with Delta recently anyway
