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i know ezy seem to be able to create their own demand and all that but i really cant see them op to BRS, thats surely a job for the likes of Flybe , southwest not EZY.
like the sound of LPL-BRS-LPL-NTE-LPL-BRS-LPL ... would be nice to have another a/c based here. i did notice though that they have now taken over about a quater of the check in hall (at least) just maybe letting ryanair and Flybe know they are still here!
like the sound of LPL-BRS-LPL-NTE-LPL-BRS-LPL ... would be nice to have another a/c based here. i did notice though that they have now taken over about a quater of the check in hall (at least) just maybe letting ryanair and Flybe know they are still here!
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Rumoured in another thread it's mentioned Micheal O'Leary in LPL tomorow.
Yes he is paying a visit to Liverpool Airport for a special news conference apparently to talk about Ryanair's development at the airport, could it be that rumoured 5th a/c .
Yes he is paying a visit to Liverpool Airport for a special news conference apparently to talk about Ryanair's development at the airport, could it be that rumoured 5th a/c .
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If they were not they would not be flying the routes to Katowice and Warsaw in the summer with an increase in frequency to Katowice.
Also, I think you will find that they are not combining the Budapest flight on every occasion.
Also, I think you will find that they are not combining the Budapest flight on every occasion.
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i dont disagree but you seem to have ignored my previous comment.... why are they still combining flight..... sky europe about to start ex MAN and FR ex LPL .... how many people want to go to Poland!
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dwlpl do you have any figures such as load factors to back your claims????
I want them to suceed but as per my previous post Poland could start getting crowded very soon.
And the budapest flight arguably the one which should have done best is no more very soon!
I want them to suceed but as per my previous post Poland could start getting crowded very soon.
And the budapest flight arguably the one which should have done best is no more very soon!
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There are no official figures available at present to back up your claims or my information, also a 6am departure from Budapest will not produce large loads and will not endear the service to the travelling public especially in winter.
BTW, the increase is in Wizz Airs Polish routes and the combining, and the dropping, is in its Hungarian route.
One more point, I think I read that FR in the process of setting up of a Budapest base. Maybe a case of putting 2+2 together and getting 5.
BTW, the increase is in Wizz Airs Polish routes and the combining, and the dropping, is in its Hungarian route.
One more point, I think I read that FR in the process of setting up of a Budapest base. Maybe a case of putting 2+2 together and getting 5.
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The reason that i challenge you dwlpl is that you come up with reasoned common sense argumets and your last point about FR i would say is valid.
MOL does not have a tendancy of turning up anywhere unless he has something to say. If its just sales are going well... blah blah he can get Cathy Timms (if thats her name) to make the announcement. So flights to Budapest and that part of the world could definetly be on the agenda. lets hope so.
if you had to put a guess on the Wizz loads what would it be.... just curious!
MOL does not have a tendancy of turning up anywhere unless he has something to say. If its just sales are going well... blah blah he can get Cathy Timms (if thats her name) to make the announcement. So flights to Budapest and that part of the world could definetly be on the agenda. lets hope so.
if you had to put a guess on the Wizz loads what would it be.... just curious!
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Presuming every flight flew (ie not taking into account the combined flight) except for December 25th, there were 10 return flights to each city in December. This equates to 180*2*10=3600 available seats.
Therefore:
Budapest = 19%
Katowice = 66%
Warsaw = 48%
The % figures will be different because I do not know when the combined flights did take place and when they did not.
Therefore:
Budapest = 19%
Katowice = 66%
Warsaw = 48%
The % figures will be different because I do not know when the combined flights did take place and when they did not.
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I consider Wizz Air management to be good. A decision appears to be made around two weeks before on the timings of the flights and passengers are informed accordingly.
Due to the timing on the Budapest route, the demand has been low from British travellers, although there has been a resonable number of Hungarians.
They have two ways of combining flights when necessary:
One aircraft routing BUD-LPL-WAW-KTW-LPL-KTW-BUD
or still using two aircraft BUD-WAW-LPL-WAW-BUD + KTW-LPL-KTW
The problem with the first is that BUD-LPL can be lightly loaded and WAW-KTW-LPL can end up full. The second option is the better one as there are resonable loads both inbound and outbound and the Budapest departure time is better. However this involves the expense of two aircraft.
All three options are being used in the next couple of weeks. Saturdays has no combining which shows they are doing fairly well. The second option is used when the Katowice flight can support its own aircraft.
Due to the timing on the Budapest route, the demand has been low from British travellers, although there has been a resonable number of Hungarians.
They have two ways of combining flights when necessary:
One aircraft routing BUD-LPL-WAW-KTW-LPL-KTW-BUD
or still using two aircraft BUD-WAW-LPL-WAW-BUD + KTW-LPL-KTW
The problem with the first is that BUD-LPL can be lightly loaded and WAW-KTW-LPL can end up full. The second option is the better one as there are resonable loads both inbound and outbound and the Budapest departure time is better. However this involves the expense of two aircraft.
All three options are being used in the next couple of weeks. Saturdays has no combining which shows they are doing fairly well. The second option is used when the Katowice flight can support its own aircraft.
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are the new 4 * a week flights going to be re-timed at all????
The summer times to Warsaw gives a departure of 1830 on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
These figures are meaningless!!!
So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.
For example, they may make, say, £50 per head from the Budapest flight and only £1 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.
Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.
So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.
For example, they may make, say, £50 per head from the Budapest flight and only £1 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.
Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.
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The LPL-BRS-LPL-NTE-LPL-BRS routes as said in this topic are real projects or is it just an opinion??
Heard projects or rumors at LPL about new EZY routes, especially to Nantes??
Heard projects or rumors at LPL about new EZY routes, especially to Nantes??
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I see that the FR aircraft due into LPL is coming in from Brno not Wroclaw this afternoon.
Wroclaw and Brno airports are both holding recruitment days for Ryanair today, maybe thats the real reason MOL is visiting.
Wroclaw and Brno airports are both holding recruitment days for Ryanair today, maybe thats the real reason MOL is visiting.
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Kick the tires:
Actually, no. Yield (at least over here where we spell "tyres" with a "y" 
) is average revenue (per passenger, per RPK, etc.), i.e. a pure revenue metric, not taking account of costs. What you are referring to is operating profit.
You're right that load factors are only half the story and that yield is critical, but I can't imagine any no-frills carrier managing to be profitable on a 19% load factor - that's not how their model works.
In another thread it's suggested that EUjet's breakeven is 65% LF at 50 Euros per pax, and I'd guess that typical no-frills carrier revenue management sets breakeven between 65% and maybe 75%. So even though the load factor doesn't tell the whole story, the figures dwlpl posted do tell us that - assuming there isn't some wildly wildly different revenue management going on on the different routes - Katowice has some promise, Warsaw is a bit slow and Budapest is a crock of ...er, goulash.
These figures are meaningless!!!
So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.
For example, they may make, say, ?0„550 per head from the Budapest flight and only ?0„51 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.
Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.
So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.
For example, they may make, say, ?0„550 per head from the Budapest flight and only ?0„51 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.
Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.
) is average revenue (per passenger, per RPK, etc.), i.e. a pure revenue metric, not taking account of costs. What you are referring to is operating profit.You're right that load factors are only half the story and that yield is critical, but I can't imagine any no-frills carrier managing to be profitable on a 19% load factor - that's not how their model works.
In another thread it's suggested that EUjet's breakeven is 65% LF at 50 Euros per pax, and I'd guess that typical no-frills carrier revenue management sets breakeven between 65% and maybe 75%. So even though the load factor doesn't tell the whole story, the figures dwlpl posted do tell us that - assuming there isn't some wildly wildly different revenue management going on on the different routes - Katowice has some promise, Warsaw is a bit slow and Budapest is a crock of ...er, goulash.